Mass Shooting in Las Vegas

AlienView

AlienView

Noble
Dundee said:
As I said in a much earlier post and as Caeldeath said here. Your 2nd amendment was relevant at the time, for the situation at the time. But it is outdated and no longer relevant to the spirit it was originally written.
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NO - You are out of date in attempting to stomp the Second Amendment into trivial crap - And you are out of place
- If you are addressing an American audience about gun control - You like it the way it is in Australia - Fine, keep it that way.

These Men {our Founding Father}, their ideals and their values do not change :

""I prefer dangerous freedom over peaceful slavery."
- Thomas Jefferson, letter to James Madison, January 30, 1787


"The laws that forbid the carrying of arms are laws of such a nature. They disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes.... Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man."
- Thomas Jefferson, Commonplace Book (quoting 18th century criminologist Cesare Beccaria), 1774-1776


"The Constitution of most of our states (and of the United States) assert that all power is inherent in the people; that they may exercise it by themselves; that it is their right and duty to be at all times armed."
- Thomas Jefferson, letter to to John Cartwright, 5 June 1824

"On every occasion [of Constitutional interpretation] let us carry ourselves back to the time when the Constitution was adopted, recollect the spirit manifested in the debates, and instead of trying [to force] what meaning may be squeezed out of the text, or invented against it, [instead let us] conform to the probable one in which it was passed."
- Thomas Jefferson, letter to William Johnson, 12 June 1823

“They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
- Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania, 1759

"To disarm the people...s the most effectual way to enslave them."
- George Mason, referencing advice given to the British Parliament by Pennsylvania governor Sir William Keith, The Debates in the Several State Conventions on the Adooption of the Federal Constitution, June 14, 1788

"I ask who are the militia? They consist now of the whole people, except a few public officers."
- George Mason, Address to the Virginia Ratifying Convention, June 4, 1788

"Before a standing army can rule, the people must be disarmed, as they are in almost every country in Europe. The supreme power in America cannot enforce unjust laws by the sword; because the whole body of the people are armed, and constitute a force superior to any band of regular troops."
- Noah Webster, An Examination of the Leading Principles of the Federal Constitution, October 10, 1787


"Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves."
- William Pitt (the Younger), Speech in the House of Commons, November 18, 1783

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Liike the Second Amendment to the Constitution 'Have Gun-Will Travel' was timeless, it was a TV series that was
- A classic morality play with the 'good-guy' gunslinger outsmarting and out drawing and if need be,
outshooting his evil opponent. - Some things never change!







 
CasualBystander

CasualBystander

Celestial
Dundee said:
Honestly CB, I don't know how to debate you anymore. You just seem to miss the point, and each time someone points out something that makes sense, you seem oblivious to it and jump to something, I don;t know, not really relevant.

I am aware of what you are talking about in WW1, but that's a tad different to a bunch of farmers taking on your Modern 21st century Military.

Of course it would not be palatable, however if it was ever ordered the circumstances would have to be awfully extreme and I suspect the job would be done.

As for more military outside than inside, who knows where each person would stand, it would depend on the circumstances and the reason for the fight. So neither of us could make assumptions on a hypothetical like that without a scenario and I suspect more smarts than you or I have.

As for study? Could you have learned your Tae Kwon Do from studying a book?
Do you really think you could go grab a Military training manual and be a match for these blokes.
Comon, be serious. You said your a farmer. Could a New Yorker read a book on farming and come and do what you do?

As I said in a much earlier post and as Caeldeath said here. Your 2nd amendment was relevant at the time, for the situation at the time. But it is outdated and no longer relevant to the spirit it was originally written.
You would be no match for a trained Military force, US or otherwise.
You would be more likely to shoot each other than any invading army.
The truth is, you guys like your big guns cos there fun and you don't want to give them up, I get it.
But all this stuff you and Doc Holiday are bringing up is just grasping at numbers to defend an undefendable position. Keep shooting your varmints as you call them, go have fun with your guns. But please, don't pretend your going to match the Military, that just makes you look silly and insults them.
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You are difficult to reason with since you present opinion and allegory with no factual basis.

The US only has about 200,000 capable combat infantry. We had a problem maintaining rotation of about 35,000 combat infantry in Iraq (15 combat brigades). Quality body armor (type IV) is limited to less than 100,000 and is viewed as a hindrance since it is so heavy.

They will be outnumbered by over 1000 to 1.

They do outperform opposing forces about 10:1.

You tell a story about a paint ball game. You don't mention if any of them were hit.

10:1 is great. 1000:1 is much greater.

Further your argument is that guns won't make a difference.

In a nutshell: "A 300 winchester magnum is not a superior weapon to your bare hands or a pitchfork".

This viewpoint doesn't withstand close scrutiny.
 
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CasualBystander said:
You are difficult to reason with since you present opinion and allegory with no factual basis.

The US only has about 200,000 capable combat infantry. We had a problem maintaining rotation of about 35,000 combat infantry in Iraq (15 combat brigades). Quality body armor (type IV) is limited to less than 100,000 and is viewed as a hindrance since it is so heavy.

They will be outnumbered by over 1000 to 1.

They do outperform opposing forces about 10:1.

You tell a story about a paint ball game. You don't mention if any of them were hit.

10:1 is great. 1000:1 is much greater.

Further your argument is that guns won't make a difference.

In a nutshell: "A 300 winchester magnum is not a superior weapon to your bare hands or a pitchfork".

This viewpoint doesn't withstand close scrutiny.
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I don't know what to say. You say they will be overpowered 1000 to 1, who is going to lead them? You? Out of your 1000 how mny will have decent fighting skills, how many will have the courage and training of your military. I dunno, I am picking numbers out of my bum here. Lets say you have 50 blokes like you, running your Militia, Goot shots at sparrows, excellent hunters at creatures that don't shot back. Probably a pretty good man in a fist fight, but lets be honest, your no match for a soldier. So you have 50 well experienced blokes out of your 1000. Do you 50 really think your going to organize a rabble of 1000 shit frightened farmers into anything cohesive. And after the first battle when the 50 of you now number 10, because 30 are dead, and 10 have realized the deep shit there in and bolted home. Now your 10 to 10. Next battle your dead and so is your other 9 half decent hunters. By now your 1000 people are 150 cos the rest have said, fuck this shit they are firing real bullets. The odds wont help you CB, its a fact, all the odds will do, at best, is perhaps prolong the inevitable a little.
I am not being a smart arse here, but do you have any real idea what your military is capable of. What you are suggesting is your mate bob down the pub has never lost a fight, so he is a match for Ali. Its just stupid.

My Dad was a very gentle man in his later years, I was born when he was mid 30's so I never saw the old dad. However my brothers and one of my sisters remember all too well what dad was capable of when pushed. As I said, he was a Commando in WW2. After the war, he would go down the local pub for years as returned soldiers sometimes do.
He would occasionally get called out for blue, no malice, no anger, just some bloke that had heard his reputation and wanted to test him out. He never lost one. My brothers told me this night the pub was rowdy, and no less than 10 blokes called him out for a blue. He told them to piss off because he was having a beer. Anyway, long story short, my brothers said they remember Dad standing in the middle of a street in a Melbourne suburb called Richmond, with no less than 10 blokes around him. They said he never went down, one by one, sometimes more, he clobbered the lot of them. Every single bloke hit the deck except dad, and he wasnt even pissed off, or fighting for his life, or using lethal force, just sorting out a few blokes. Then he went back into the pub and had his beer.
Can you do that?
That's what your trained military folks are capable of.
Do you honestly think you are a match for bloke like that? And my dad at the time was probably 10 years ouof active duty. Can you imagine what might have happened should he be still on active duty and fighting for a cause.
Comon mate, be serious, your living in a dream world.
 
nivek

nivek

As Above So Below
Dundee said:
Keep your guns.
Just restrict the type a little.
Tighten Background checks for ownwership,
Tighten storage laws,

Your talking about laws that back date to the American colonists???
Comon, please at least be realistic in your arguments.
That's just the lamest excuse, seriously.
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I've been reading the thread to this post thus far and need to comment on this...Our gun laws and regulations do not date back to the colonists, that's a very narrow statement when New York and Connecticut have banned semi-automatic weapons and large-capacity magazines...In fact, just in the last three years over 38 States have passed over 120 new pieces of legislation that make gun laws even more strict...

The Federal government doesn't have to pass new laws when the States have the right and do it on their own...Most people in the country who own guns are responsible with them, a very small percentage are not, so most kids can't just pull a gun off the table or shelf and go crazy, semi auto weapons aren't just laying about the shelves for any to take...

Why is it non Americans think we live in a wild west over here, that's nuts...Every country has it's own armpit though and ours is Chicago...:Whistle:
 
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nivek said:
I've been reading the thread to this post thus far and need to comment on this...Our gun laws and regulations do not date back to the colonists, that's a very narrow statement when New York and Connecticut have banned semi-automatic weapons and large-capacity magazines...In fact, just in the last three years over 38 States have passed over 120 new pieces of legislation that make gun laws even more strict...

The Federal government doesn't have to pass new laws when the States have the right and do it on their own...Most people in the country who own guns are responsible with them, a very small percentage are not, so most kids can't just pull a gun off the table or shelf and go crazy, semi auto weapons aren't just laying about the shelves for any to take...

Why is it non Americans think we live in a wild west over here, that's nuts...Every country has it's own armpit though and ours is Chicago...:Whistle:
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Most of the conversation in this thread has come from CB, who openly gloated about leaving loaded weapons around his house, about how his daughter loves to play with guns, how he considers his habits with guns as perfectly normal.

Why do we think its the wild west, well, how often don't we see some kid got a hold of a gun and shot his school mates, where was I reading the other day that someone was arguing that school teachers should be armed. Did I read somewhere that some of your schools have metal detectors checking kids for weapons. You do seem to have more than a fair share of shootings over there. Some places have open carry laws, as I understand it most places you are allowed to own a handgun. Do I need to go on?

When you compare this to a country like Australia where virtually none of that is legal and none of that applies. It does make the US look like the wild west. You can own cannons, flamethrowers, old Automatic weapons. We cant even own an orange gun here.

You say that most gun owners are responsible with them, I accept that in your country these things are OK, and considered responsible. But compared to a country like Australia with very strict, and enforced gun laws, the thought of this stuff in our country does seem like the wild west, it does not seem responsible or necessary for average citizens to own a hand gun. Your Normal is not necessarily the normal for other countries.

Again I use CB as an example, you have read what he posts, bragging about his baseball bat, flippant comments about shooting people. Bragging about his loaded guns. Then we have Alien view agreeing with him, we have you yourself liking many of his posts.

So you tell me, do you really have to ask why the world sees your gun laws and people like CB and AV like crazy redneck cowboys. In Israel it is normal to see soldiers on the streets. Here, that would be odd and we would be saying, hell whats going on here to need this. Their normal is not our normal. So i put to you nivek, by comparison to many other countries not experiencing the problems you are in your country. The US does by all appearance seem to be populated by mostly gun carrying people who think its Ok to shoot your neighbor f he does something wrong. Its not us that creates that impression, it is you guys, its your mates Wyatt and Doc here. If the shoes fit mate, its not our fault if the world thinks you wear them.
 
nivek

nivek

As Above So Below
Dundee said:
Most of the conversation in this thread has come from CB, who openly gloated about leaving loaded weapons around his house, about how his daughter loves to play with guns, how he considers his habits with guns as perfectly normal.
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I also believe he said his daughter is 26 or 28 years old too, perhaps playing with guns means the firing range or hunting...My uncle keeps loaded weapons around the house hidden, his wife feels safe at home with that and they have no kids to worry about, it's their right to do that and their home, their responsibility, who am I to tell them they can't keep loaded guns around their home...They have lived that way for 20 years, it's perfectly normal to me...

Dundee said:
Why do we think its the wild west, well, how often don't we see some kid got a hold of a gun and shot his school mates, where was I reading the other day that someone was arguing that school teachers should be armed. Did I read somewhere that some of your schools have metal detectors checking kids for weapons. You do seem to have more than a fair share of shootings over there. Some places have open carry laws, as I understand it most places you are allowed to own a handgun. Do I need to go on?
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I think Europe has more killings and murders than the US, they have a terrorist population in almost every EU member State, first they take the guns away from their fellow countrymen then openly invite terrorists from around the world a free pass into their countries so they can start killing off the locals...


Dundee said:
When you compare this to a country like Australia where virtually none of that is legal and none of that applies. It does make the US look like the wild west. You can own cannons, flamethrowers, old Automatic weapons. We cant even own an orange gun here.
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Just to say Americans can own flamethrowers or cannons is a rather loose and assuming statement...Look up the restrictions on purchasing and owning such weapons, you make it sound like I can walk into walmart and take one off the shelf...

Dundee said:
You say that most gun owners are responsible with them, I accept that in your country these things are OK, and considered responsible. But compared to a country like Australia with very strict, and enforced gun laws, the thought of this stuff in our country does seem like the wild west, it does not seem responsible or necessary for average citizens to own a hand gun. Your Normal is not necessarily the normal for other countries.
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Why does the US have to be like Australia or Europe?...Other Western have been conditioned to see things similar to your viewpoint, many do not understand and won't because of that conditioning just like Americans have been conditioned to accept that fact that guns are a part of public and private lives of many Americans...There are a lot of Americans like me who never owned and gun and rarely fired one If at all...If I was born and raised in Australia I would perhaps carry your viewpoint and vise versa...

Dundee said:
Again I use CB as an example, you have read what he posts, bragging about his baseball bat, flippant comments about shooting people. Bragging about his loaded guns. Then we have Alien view agreeing with him, we have you yourself liking many of his posts.
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Yes I do like some of their posts because I agree with those viewpoints expressed, I believe gun laws are adequate, I certainly don't live in fear because some people around me wherever I go in the country are armed...Some people are proud of the guns they own, some are proud of the cars they own, or the knife collection they own, so what?...

Dundee said:
So you tell me, do you really have to ask why the world sees your gun laws and people like CB and AV like crazy redneck cowboys. In Israel it is normal to see soldiers on the streets. Here, that would be odd and we would be saying, hell whats going on here to need this. Their normal is not our normal. So i put to you nivek, by comparison to many other countries not experiencing the problems you are in your country. The US does by all appearance seem to be populated by mostly gun carrying people who think its Ok to shoot your neighbor f he does something wrong. Its not us that creates that impression, it is you guys, its your mates Wyatt and Doc here. If the shoes fit mate, its not our fault if the world thinks you wear them.
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Americans have never given the appearance to the world that it's okay to shoot a neighbor, that is another extremely broad statement too, but what if that neighbor came over to someone's house to rob or rape the occupants, then yes it's okay to shoot that bastard...
 
AlienView

AlienView

Noble
This information is a few years old and may not include data from places like Chicago which are almost like
war zones - still it is worth noting:

Do Gun Bans Reduce Violent Crime? Ask the Aussies and Brits

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The International Crime Victims Survey, conducted by Leiden University in Holland, found that England and Wales ranked second overall in violent crime among industrialized nations. Twenty-six percent of English citizens — roughly one-quarter of the population — have been victimized by violent crime. Australia led the list with more than 30 percent of its population victimized. The United States didn’t even make the “top 10” list of industrialized nations whose citizens were victimized by crime.

Now all this statistical and factual information isn’t going to mean anything to Lefty’s and Statists, but it is always good to know that reality backs up the conservative position on gun rights and the 2nd Amendment. "

Quote source:
The Captain's Journal » Do Gun Bans Reduce Violent Crime? Ask the Aussies and Brits


 
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I can't argue with you guys, I have tried and failed. But the fact of the matter is, that's how you are seen. I can;t change that. Only you guys in the US can change that. Like many, I disagree at the deepest level with you and your countrymen's thoughts on guns. But you lot just think its normal, look at Doc;s last post, he s still at it. If you don't want to be labeled a sissy, don't wear a dress. Likewise, your gun laws and your thinking and your obstanance to reasons regarding your guns, make you look like cowboys that wan't to shoot at shadows. People don't think that way about Australians because we have given them no reason to do so. You guys made your own bed, now you have to lay in it. It is nt the fault of the rest of us. Honestly...some of the opinions here frighten me, they frighten me because I cannot find a reference in my mind as to how it is OK to think that way. How people can think that some of the opinions expressed by you, Wyatt and Doc are reasonable. I am not alone.

I am sorry if my opinion offends, that's not my intention.
But in my opinion you are all standing in an nonrefundable position, stubbornly hanging onto any fact or figure you can to suit your argument.

It seems like you are all in a swimming pool, wondering why your all getting wet, refusing the need for a towel, and complaining because your folks are drowning. It all just seems so obvious from the outside.
 
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AlienView said:
This information is a few years old and may not include data from places like Chicago which are almost like
war zones - still it is worth noting:

Do Gun Bans Reduce Violent Crime? Ask the Aussies and Brits

"...........................
The International Crime Victims Survey, conducted by Leiden University in Holland, found that England and Wales ranked second overall in violent crime among industrialized nations. Twenty-six percent of English citizens — roughly one-quarter of the population — have been victimized by violent crime. Australia led the list with more than 30 percent of its population victimized. The United States didn’t even make the “top 10” list of industrialized nations whose citizens were victimized by crime.

Now all this statistical and factual information isn’t going to mean anything to Lefty’s and Statists, but it is always good to know that reality backs up the conservative position on gun rights and the 2nd Amendment. "

Quote source:
The Captain's Journal » Do Gun Bans Reduce Violent Crime? Ask the Aussies and Brits
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I am done debating you Doc, it is pointless. You will never listen to reason. Nor will you ever change your view.
 
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Hey nivek, I really don't mean to offend. But it just seems so obvious to many folks outside of your country.
We both know that for all our best intentions its not hard to find statistics to back whatever opinion an individual takes.
But the cause and effect seem just so plain to see.
Your country is rife with guns of many sorts, your laws by comparison to many other places are not as strict. You seem by all appearances to the outside world to have more than your share of mass shootings, and gun deaths.

Places like Australia have strict gun laws, we don't seem to have the same problems to the same extent.

Its not really about rights, your 2nd amendment or any of that. That is for your own law makers and citizens to decide. But that aspect does not change the cause and effect side of things does it.

Two plain, simple easy examples.
Wyatt and I are neighbors

Wyatt's house, - he openly admits to having guns lying around unlocked and loaded, and is adamant he sees no risk or problem with that. He says he was trained from an early age by his dad, who we don't know his skills , attitude or background. He may be very responsible, but he may not, there is no way to tell. Do you have random gun inspections in the US?

My House - All my Guns are in a steel cabinet, bolted to the wall and floor, my ammunition is locked and stored separately, no one knows where I keep the keys, and both ammunition and gun keys are stored separately. I have had to do a firearms course by the State Police force, and sit an examination in the presence of one of the States Firearms enforcement officers. So you would have to assume the training and testing to be reasonable at least.
I have had my guns, storage, paperwork and license inspected randomly by the police three times.

So in a perfect world wit no crime, and no bad people, either situation is acceptable.
But we don't live in a perfect world do we.

Ignoring rights, or your 2nd amendments.
Purely on a safety point of view.
On the evidence alone. Who's house has the safer environment to store weapons.
On the odds alone, who is more likely to be pinged by training or lack of it, for bad or unsafe gun habits.

If a criminal breaks in, whose guns are more likely to be stolen.
If a family member, friend or visitor was to lose the plot, whose house is more likely to provide a weapon to shoot someone with.

Honest answer, ignoring your rights under the 2nd amendment, ignoring your personal level of responsibility.

Tell me I am wrong by saying my stricter gun laws force me to provide a safer environment on almost every level for weapons. From purely a safety perspective, my guns are safer than Wyatt's, On the odds alone, A person who has been trained and licensed by a gun authority is likely to be safer gun owner than someone trained by a dad or a big brother.

This is all my argument has ever been.
Cause and effect.
 
CasualBystander

CasualBystander

Celestial
Dundee said:
Hey nivek, I really don't mean to offend. But it just seems so obvious to many folks outside of your country.
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My House - All my Guns are in a steel cabinet, bolted to the wall and floor, my ammunition is locked and stored separately, no one knows where I keep the keys, and both ammunition and gun keys are stored separately. I have had to do a firearms course by the State Police force, and sit an examination in the presence of one of the States Firearms enforcement officers. So you would have to assume the training and testing to be reasonable at least.
I have had my guns, storage, paperwork and license inspected randomly by the police three times.
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Cause and effect.
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Huh???

1. It appears just so subtle or gross wrongly to people in the US

2. I didn't realize that Oztralia was a police state. That can't be good. That might explain electing the red headed ranga.

3. Cause and Effort? The number of murders is going down as the number of guns goes up. If we doubled the number of guns we could perhaps cut the gun murder rate in half. Mandatory shooting practice for school children might cause even greater reductions in gun homicides.
 
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CasualBystander said:
Huh???

1. It appears just so subtle or gross wrongly to people in the US

2. I didn't realize that Oztralia was a police state. That can't be good. That might explain electing the red headed ranga.

3. Cause and Effort? The number of murders is going down as the number of guns goes up. If we doubled the number of guns we could perhaps cut the gun murder rate in half. Mandatory shooting practice for school children might cause even greater reductions in gun homicides.
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Like I said Wyatt, No point debating you. You are incapable of reason. You latch onto the tailpipe for a comment you think you can nail, and ignore anything that doesn't suit Cheers
 
AlienView

AlienView

Noble
What we have seen here is a debate between two conflicting ideologies - Both supposedly representing free
people under Democratic rule.

In one, the United States, it has been ordained by its Constitution that this freedom of the people entitles them, even might obligate them to be armed so as to secure and maintain its Republican style of government.

In the other, Australia, where its constitution doesn't have a Second Amendment, the powers in control,
decided that it would allow the people to own, but not bear, arms - On the grounds that the safety of the
mass is better served by control of the state.

Whose right? - You see there is no right and wrong here - In one extreme you end up with pure totalitarian
government {like North Korea} where even the idea of personal self defense is feared as a threat to the State.
The other extreme might lead to Anarchy and mob rule by gangs.

Guns should never be needed for self-defense in a truly civilized World - Maybe one day in the future....

For now I leave you with this one thought:

The Fifth Dimension - Aquarius - Let The Sunshine In
 
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AlienView said:
What we have seen here is a debate between two conflicting ideologies - Both supposedly representing free
people under Democratic rule.

In one, the United States, it has been ordained by its Constitution that this freedom of the people entitles them, even might obligate them to be armed so as to secure and maintain its Republican style of government.

In the other, Australia, where its constitution doesn't have a Second Amendment, the powers in control,
decided that it would allow the people to own, but not bear, arms - On the grounds that the safety of the
mass is better served by control of the state.

Whose right? - You see there is no right and wrong here - In one extreme you end up with pure totalitarian
government {like North Korea} where even the idea of personal self defense is feared as a threat to the State.
The other extreme might lead to Anarchy and mob rule by gangs.

Guns should never be needed for self-defense in a truly civilized World - Maybe one day in the future....

For now I leave you with this one thought:

The Fifth Dimension - Aquarius - Let The Sunshine In
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nivek

nivek

As Above So Below
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Here is one back, does it have a point? Or serve a purpose?
I don't get you US folks, I like you all, I respect you all, but sometime it feels like you all live on another planet.

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nivek

nivek

As Above So Below
Since Obama did not give Americans jobs or proper healthcare (which is not the job of the President anyway) I think that meme came from another world...

Yeah and taking the Americans out of Iraq paved the way for isis...
 
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I just don't get the nastiness of you all, It is no wonder you run around shooting each other. Everyone is so bloody agro and sarcastic and intolerant. It's just not like that here in Australia, we are far far from perfect and have many problems, but I just can't fathom how two countries that, at least at a glance seem to have have similar ideologies, can have such polar opposite people.
I honestly think if some of you folks came and spent a year here in the country, you would look back at the USA and say, WTF are we doing.
I just don't understand you all.
I am not trying to be a smart arse, I honestly just can't relate to your thinking.

You even missed the point of me posting the meme, the whole point was it is meaningless.
 
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