Dejan Corovic
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My sources for US UFO base at Guam are Dr Greer and that one UK ufologist ( he plays with London Philharmonic ) who's as big off rummer mill as Linda Howe Xxxxx.
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My sources for US UFO base at Guam are Dr Greer and that one UK ufologist ( he plays with London Philharmonic ) who's as big off rummer mill as Linda Howe Xxxxx.
Todd Feinman
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A lot of us are skeptical about Mr. Greer, because he was apparently involved in a hoax situation with some flares a while back!
Dejan Corovic
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that's typical human reasoning. Nobody can be blamed for that.A lot of us are skeptical about Mr. Greer, because he was apparently involved in a hoax situation with some flares a while back!
But if what if he lied 1% and told truth 99% of the time. Then you would lose 99% of highly valuable information on a whim. So, if you keep losing 99% of valuable information you'll end up going in circles and being confused. Which some agents really want us.
Dejan Corovic
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pigfarmer
tall, thin, irritable
Been looking through the old Bill Moore admission, for a particular reason. Some of us like @Todd Feinman have been fortunate enough to have a close range encounter who actually know rather than simply Believe. In my case my two encounters turned out differently, as I've said one is a famous nothing burger, and the fact that it refuses to die and continues to grow legs is sort of the point behind this post. Just like politics, whether the news cycle was monthly or virtually minute by minute as it is now, all you have to do is say anything and part of it'll stick. There will be believers no matter how ludicrous - go chat with Marjorie Taylor Greene. Facts are irrelevant, it's about showmanship and even if shown to be false some will cling tenaciously to whatever theory fits their views.
So, relevant to Disclosure in its most current evolution, I've said - and believe to be true - that the present interest is due to the fact that technology has arrived at a point where governments and militaries can't afford to ignore weird things flying around because there are many new terrestrial ones that cause trouble. If it happens to catch a UFO in the process, and you know there are many 'inside' that are as interested as we are in that, the primary motivation is perfectly terrestrial. It finally got to a point where they would be demonstrably remiss in the duties they have been charged with to ignore unknown objects like this.
There is such a profusion of nonsense out there, so much old stuff regurgitated for a new audience it's become a form of entertainment.
I keep going back to Bill Moore, and by extension Paul Bennewitz, for a good reason. It's a fact that AFOSI deliberately circulated misinformation. I've heard interviews with Richard Doty that repeat exactly what Moore said about seeing films of aliens, bodies, crash retrieval etc. Also true they - and probably others - kept tabs on UFO investigation groups for a reason. Cold War espionage was what was at the heart of it all, the reason why they ****ed up poor Paul Bennewitz.
Moore wrote Roswell and Philadelphia Experiment with Charles Berlitz who has been quoted as saying 'don't worry too much about truth just sell books' - that from an old Paracast episode. In the video Moore claimed no knowledge of the Philadelphia Experiment - odd since his name's on the cover. Probably proves the point. So this dubious pair, one a 'disinformation agent' at a certain point, write a couple of books with good stories that capture the imagination of many. We're still talking about them but tend to forget who brought them to the forefront and for what purpose. Oh, and he probably did exactly what they wanted him to do after they gave him the info, like Doty. If they really wanted to get rid of him because he's such a threat they would have; he is a mouthpiece whether he knows it or not.
It must've taken some doing to create those MJ12 docs. Same for the 600+ page UFO/ET dossier that Moore analyzed. He admitted he doesn't know why they gave it to him. You'd think he'd be at an awfully low level to be brought in on such a secret - same as Richard Doty. You know, the Project Serpo 'I wanna be a UFO movie consultant' Doty. I think 'the government' created a lot of this stuff deliberately to misdirect, to disinform, for very terrestrial reasons at the time. I also know that like everything else, the real story took a back seat the one they want us to hear. Nobody's asking what Bennewitz saw - they just discredited him. Came to close too something real and important. You can't help but wonder if Hynek and Vallee were 'in on it' to some degree. Vallee's still 'in on it' apparently.
Suppose Charles Berlitz never wrote those books. These general topics were already in the public forum which is why Spielberg's CE3K is such a great movie- he had a personal interest. But it all got very refined and the narrative fleshed with distinct details. Another question Moore fielded was about the appearance of aliens. The original descriptions from - I think the Holliman landing story- were of little creatures with big noses. Curiously, the same as what Betty Hill had to say and what she continued to say all along as far as I know. Moore said the ones in the file look like what we call 'greys' now. Odd little twist there, eh?
Use of the UFO phenomenon for very terrestrial purposes, espionage, maskirovka, what have you, was a recipe that worked, Side effect is that it infected out pop culture perception a little too well. Take out Moore and Berlitz, Communion, even CE3K and wouldn't it be interesting to see how we would perceive it now? They threw that **** against the walls years ago and far too much of it stuck. In fact, it's grown. I think sometimes ufology has done itself it's greatest disservice. There is a general lack of critical thinking and a preponderance of Belief. Ironic that in 2022 'the government' has had to change it's course on this and encourage reporting, again for very practical purposes.
I'm not debunking or dismissing. I simply prefer some truth to it, some reality I can grab hold of and not feel like I need a rubber glove to do so.
So, relevant to Disclosure in its most current evolution, I've said - and believe to be true - that the present interest is due to the fact that technology has arrived at a point where governments and militaries can't afford to ignore weird things flying around because there are many new terrestrial ones that cause trouble. If it happens to catch a UFO in the process, and you know there are many 'inside' that are as interested as we are in that, the primary motivation is perfectly terrestrial. It finally got to a point where they would be demonstrably remiss in the duties they have been charged with to ignore unknown objects like this.
There is such a profusion of nonsense out there, so much old stuff regurgitated for a new audience it's become a form of entertainment.
I keep going back to Bill Moore, and by extension Paul Bennewitz, for a good reason. It's a fact that AFOSI deliberately circulated misinformation. I've heard interviews with Richard Doty that repeat exactly what Moore said about seeing films of aliens, bodies, crash retrieval etc. Also true they - and probably others - kept tabs on UFO investigation groups for a reason. Cold War espionage was what was at the heart of it all, the reason why they ****ed up poor Paul Bennewitz.
Moore wrote Roswell and Philadelphia Experiment with Charles Berlitz who has been quoted as saying 'don't worry too much about truth just sell books' - that from an old Paracast episode. In the video Moore claimed no knowledge of the Philadelphia Experiment - odd since his name's on the cover. Probably proves the point. So this dubious pair, one a 'disinformation agent' at a certain point, write a couple of books with good stories that capture the imagination of many. We're still talking about them but tend to forget who brought them to the forefront and for what purpose. Oh, and he probably did exactly what they wanted him to do after they gave him the info, like Doty. If they really wanted to get rid of him because he's such a threat they would have; he is a mouthpiece whether he knows it or not.
It must've taken some doing to create those MJ12 docs. Same for the 600+ page UFO/ET dossier that Moore analyzed. He admitted he doesn't know why they gave it to him. You'd think he'd be at an awfully low level to be brought in on such a secret - same as Richard Doty. You know, the Project Serpo 'I wanna be a UFO movie consultant' Doty. I think 'the government' created a lot of this stuff deliberately to misdirect, to disinform, for very terrestrial reasons at the time. I also know that like everything else, the real story took a back seat the one they want us to hear. Nobody's asking what Bennewitz saw - they just discredited him. Came to close too something real and important. You can't help but wonder if Hynek and Vallee were 'in on it' to some degree. Vallee's still 'in on it' apparently.
Suppose Charles Berlitz never wrote those books. These general topics were already in the public forum which is why Spielberg's CE3K is such a great movie- he had a personal interest. But it all got very refined and the narrative fleshed with distinct details. Another question Moore fielded was about the appearance of aliens. The original descriptions from - I think the Holliman landing story- were of little creatures with big noses. Curiously, the same as what Betty Hill had to say and what she continued to say all along as far as I know. Moore said the ones in the file look like what we call 'greys' now. Odd little twist there, eh?
Use of the UFO phenomenon for very terrestrial purposes, espionage, maskirovka, what have you, was a recipe that worked, Side effect is that it infected out pop culture perception a little too well. Take out Moore and Berlitz, Communion, even CE3K and wouldn't it be interesting to see how we would perceive it now? They threw that **** against the walls years ago and far too much of it stuck. In fact, it's grown. I think sometimes ufology has done itself it's greatest disservice. There is a general lack of critical thinking and a preponderance of Belief. Ironic that in 2022 'the government' has had to change it's course on this and encourage reporting, again for very practical purposes.
I'm not debunking or dismissing. I simply prefer some truth to it, some reality I can grab hold of and not feel like I need a rubber glove to do so.
Dejan Corovic
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I can tell you one thing ... UFOs are scientifically speaking possible and real, scientists are just duping you or possibly duping themselves ... engineering-wise: its close call, but its not as far fetched. I would bet hard money that US has a small fleet of man made UFOs. All the scientific ideas that late @Thomas R. Morrison, @waitiedavid and I were promoting still stand are basis of how UFOs work.
Most likely, what authorities had been doing for last 70 years was just warming up the public, letting stories run, so that when public is ready governments will just start drip-feeding the truth, so not to cause panic.
Most likely, what authorities had been doing for last 70 years was just warming up the public, letting stories run, so that when public is ready governments will just start drip-feeding the truth, so not to cause panic.
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pigfarmer
tall, thin, irritable
Never said they weren’t possible, real or here. I think all of the above. But a lot of the speculation is fed from the artificially created narrative, the dogma.
Thomas had what sounded like an extraordinary sighting but not at close range. Very talented and clever fellow in many respects. But I see him as literally steeped in confirmation bias. He claimed objectivity but really wasn’t. I did take the time to read what he wrote and if you look he really talked about himself and his own cleverness. I don’t doubt the math, I say mathematicians are human too. Like many other self proclaimed experts
pigfarmer
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Coincidentally just listened to this at work. Very nice polite conversation that says very well a lot of what I’m getting at. Don’t get caught up in specific cases, listen to what they are saying
View: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/a-different-perspective-with-kevin-randle/id1239484934?i=1000577256315
View: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/a-different-perspective-with-kevin-randle/id1239484934?i=1000577256315
Dejan Corovic
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I wouldn't agree. Thomas was extremely objective. What he was saying was pure and unadulterated, experimentally verified, 20th century science. Obviously, he was a human being, he had a personality and he had ego ( like everybody else ) and was intellectually assertive and aggressive ( which is what I liked about him ). His personality doesn't in any way distort objectivity of his science.
Dejan Corovic
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This is quite shocking. That's one of the most cited UFO cases out there. Basically, there is documented trail that his memory was wrong.
pigfarmer
tall, thin, irritable
Agreed. I’d have to verify what Dunning said for myself but can believe it. Larger point is don’t accept things at face value, they’re often inaccurate. Too many do.
Great example there. How many people you think weaved Hasting’s version into their own tapestry because it fit their view ? How many connected it to Rendlesham ?
This is what irks me about the Hudson Valley Wave. What if all the Roswell residents called bullshit on the story but the rest of the country keeps repeating the myth ?
Means that real sightings have an equal amount of public credibility and it’s not fair to genuine witnesses or any real discovery as a whole.
Dejan Corovic
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I actually have been disappointed before in a similar way. Such is life.
That's why I relay on statistics and cross-correlation. Take more then one sample and do the scientific reality check. Mainstream science does wanders to separate wheat from chaff.
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pigfarmer
tall, thin, irritable
The government has controlled the narrative on this topic all along. Apart from anything they’ve said in public they’ve had sneaky **** going on behind the scenes too. Moore and Doty are the examples of that we know about. Safe to assume there’s more we don’t.
They’re still controlling the narrative today. More sophisticated, but I think we’re just seeing an updated repeat.
They’re still controlling the narrative today. More sophisticated, but I think we’re just seeing an updated repeat.
pigfarmer
tall, thin, irritable
Another good one i just listened to at work. Never heard of the guy Randle interviews but he’s well spoken. They both make excellent points that echo exactly what I have said here.
Kevin Randle Interviews - JOHN SHIRLEY - Skeptical View of Latest UFOs/Charlatans
Kevin Randle Interviews - JOHN SHIRLEY - Skeptical View of Latest UFOs/Charlatans
Todd Feinman
Show us the satellite pics...
It's amazing how willfully ignorant so many people are about UFOs. You try to share the UFO news with them and they are totally disinterested. What a self-involved species we are. We actually deserve to be clobbered by our visitors --they should only preserve the other animals, I often think. We develop and destroy every part of the planet --all geared to serve us. We are totally self-centered animals. Homo Perniciosius. Not everyone chooses to be ignorant about the phenomenon, but a lot of people do. Hopefully there will be enough people out there who care about things to carry us through.
Dejan Corovic
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Well said, the defining attribute of our species.
pigfarmer
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wwkirk
Divine
Lue Elizondo wants ufology to die?
Teaser tidbit:
www.liberationtimes.com
Teaser tidbit:
Why UFOlogy Must Die — Liberation Times | Reimagining Old News
Yes, that's right, I said it before, and I will say it again. As some people have pointed out, I want UFOlogy (as we have known it) to die. "I want to blow it up into a million bits...", as is often quoted by my detractors. However, if you only listened to those words that I said and no
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SharonMendell
Novice
The good news is that enough information will be released in time to make doubters appear like fools — there's a decent probability that the committee's report will cause long ears to grow from their heads. Where is the remainder of the jet in the debunking of the Gimbal film —(they claim it is jet engine exhaust)?
The shadow
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