Chemtrail: Conspiracy theory or truth?

Gambeir

Celestial
Who is using debunking for "chemtrails"?.....I'm just looking for good science to be used.

Of course you have my dear, of course you have.
Now why don't you just go take a time out in the corner.
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Area201

cold fusion
And even if that was "chemtrails" at that altitude absoloutly none of the supposed chemicals would ever reach the surface. I've said it once and I'll say it again, this conspiracy is stupid as hell. It completely ignores all rational logic.

So you are saying geoengineering doesn't exist and is hasn't been/is not being experimented or deployed to any degree? If so, that ignores all rational logic.

Questioning the level of geoengineering taking place and possible effects is more open for debate, we don't know.
 
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Gambeir

Celestial
And even if that was "chemtrails" at that altitude absoloutly none of the supposed chemicals would ever reach the surface. I've said it once and I'll say it again, this conspiracy is stupid as hell. It completely ignores all rational logic.

Conspiracy Theory was a term invented by the CIA to explain away those who denied the official version of reality after the assassination of JFK. A hallmark of criminality is of course lying. Lying and pathological lying is the absolute most common feature in all crime.

Liars will tell you that, "persistent contrails are nothing new," and liars say they are recorded back as far as the 1940's, and like to show the contrails off bomber streams making runs against Nazi Germany. Interestingly we don't have film archives of such events from Axis aircraft.

Prior to 1996 there is no record of persistent contrails. Lingering dust particulates, hanging in the air, visibly similar to virga were unknown and never recorded in the public eye.

Chemicals mixtures being sprayed in the atmosphere are known to have been discussed by Edward Teller as early as the late 1950's.

One common un~recognized feature of chemtrails is that they aren't all the same.
The Eight Major Chemtrail Types


Personal Peev's

Prior to 1996 the paint on automobiles, when maintained with regular cleaning and waxing, could be counted on to last decades. Today we have paint literally eaten off the bodies of cars, black sticky substance which embeds itself in any minor defect is especially difficult to remove.

Prior to 1996 there was no serious problem with mass bee extinction. These past 10 years I'm lucky to see a dozen bee's in an entire summer. If you think that's normal you're a dumbass.

It's pretty obvious it is a conspiracy and it is real. To deny chemtrails are real is to deny reality.

By extension, that denial of reality is also a denial that our government is now nothing but another
form of organized crime just like all those which have preceded it.

We are living in a corptocracy; a form of organized crime. To deny chemtrails are real is deny this truth. Of course this is the denial of adult responsibility as well. It is the rejection of adult responsibility to know and to seek the truth.

Nothing new in that historically, otherwise we wouldn't have had the last 4 or 5 thousand years of hell that's supposedly called history. There's nothing to discuss except how it will end, for it always does end, one way or another. This is not like any other form of criminal government. It's a corptocracy, it's not like corporations have ever been this close to claiming open un~elected authority. The end will not be like all those others we know of from history.
 
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CasualBystander

Celestial
And even if that was "chemtrails" at that altitude absoloutly none of the supposed chemicals would ever reach the surface. I've said it once and I'll say it again, this conspiracy is stupid as hell. It completely ignores all rational logic.

I'm a little more flexible.

But there isn't much in the way of proof.

Pictures of "chemtrail" planes are identifiable as ice testing aircraft or aircraft outfitted for balance testing.

Also - "chemtrails" originate in the engines and appear at about the distance of contrail condensation. Real chemicals that aren't water vapor would leave a trail that starts at the plane.

Need proof.

Can't refute it because you can't refute a negative.

But chemtrailers are a little weak on evidence.
 

Castle-Yankee54

Celestial
So you are saying geoengineering doesn't exist and is hasn't been/is not being experimented or deployed to any degree? If so, that ignores all rational logic.

Questioning the level of geoengineering taking place and possible effects is more open for debate, we don't know.

I've been seeing contrails in the sky since the 1970s that lasted for hours. Contrails have been seen since the second world war when the aircraft finally began flying high enough to create them......and they look almost identical.

But yes cloud seeding has been going on for many decades......if you want to call that geoengineering then it is.
 

humanoidlord

ce3 researcher
Conspiracy Theory was a term invented by the CIA to explain away those who denied the official version of reality after the assassination of JFK. A hallmark of criminality is of course lying. Lying and pathological lying is the absolute most common feature in all crime.

Liars will tell you that, "persistent contrails are nothing new," and liars say they are recorded back as far as the 1940's, and like to show the contrails off bomber streams making runs against Nazi Germany. Interestingly we don't have film archives of such events from Axis aircraft.

Prior to 1996 there is no record of persistent contrails. Lingering dust particulates, hanging in the air, visibly similar to virga were unknown and never recorded in the public eye.

Chemicals mixtures being sprayed in the atmosphere are known to have been discussed by Edward Teller as early as the late 1950's.

One common un~recognized feature of chemtrails is that they aren't all the same.
The Eight Major Chemtrail Types


Personal Peev's

Prior to 1996 the paint on automobiles, when maintained with regular cleaning and waxing, could be counted on to last decades. Today we have paint literally eaten off the bodies of cars, black sticky substance which embeds itself in any minor defect is especially difficult to remove.

Prior to 1996 there was no serious problem with mass bee extinction. These past 10 years I'm lucky to see a dozen bee's in an entire summer. If you think that's normal you're a dumbass.

It's pretty obvious it is a conspiracy and it is real. To deny chemtrails are real is to deny reality.

By extension, that denial of reality is also a denial that our government is now nothing but another
form of organized crime just like all those which have preceded it.

We are living in a corptocracy; a form of organized crime. To deny chemtrails are real is deny this truth. Of course this is the denial of adult responsibility as well. It is the rejection of adult responsibility to know and to seek the truth.

Nothing new in that historically, otherwise we wouldn't have had the last 4 or 5 thousand years of hell that's supposedly called history. There's nothing to discuss except how it will end, for it always does end, one way or another. This is not like any other form of criminal government. It's a corptocracy, it's not like corporations have ever been this close to claiming open un~elected authority. The end will not be like all those others we know of from history.
i believe that the gov is organized crime yet i dont believe in chemtrails, problem?
why would they kill their slaves anyway?
 

nivek

As Above So Below
i believe that the gov is organized crime yet i dont believe in chemtrails, problem?
why would they kill their slaves anyway?

Strongest survives, thin out the population, strongest survives to improve the lot...??
 

Caeldeth

Noble
Conspiracy Theory was a term invented by the CIA to explain away those who denied the official version of reality after the assassination of JFK. A hallmark of criminality is of course lying. Lying and pathological lying is the absolute most common feature in all crime.

Liars will tell you that, "persistent contrails are nothing new," and liars say they are recorded back as far as the 1940's, and like to show the contrails off bomber streams making runs against Nazi Germany. Interestingly we don't have film archives of such events from Axis aircraft.

Prior to 1996 there is no record of persistent contrails. Lingering dust particulates, hanging in the air, visibly similar to virga were unknown and never recorded in the public eye.

Chemicals mixtures being sprayed in the atmosphere are known to have been discussed by Edward Teller as early as the late 1950's.

One common un~recognized feature of chemtrails is that they aren't all the same.
The Eight Major Chemtrail Types


Personal Peev's

Prior to 1996 the paint on automobiles, when maintained with regular cleaning and waxing, could be counted on to last decades. Today we have paint literally eaten off the bodies of cars, black sticky substance which embeds itself in any minor defect is especially difficult to remove.

Prior to 1996 there was no serious problem with mass bee extinction. These past 10 years I'm lucky to see a dozen bee's in an entire summer. If you think that's normal you're a dumbass.

It's pretty obvious it is a conspiracy and it is real. To deny chemtrails are real is to deny reality.

By extension, that denial of reality is also a denial that our government is now nothing but another
form of organized crime just like all those which have preceded it.

We are living in a corptocracy; a form of organized crime. To deny chemtrails are real is deny this truth. Of course this is the denial of adult responsibility as well. It is the rejection of adult responsibility to know and to seek the truth.

Nothing new in that historically, otherwise we wouldn't have had the last 4 or 5 thousand years of hell that's supposedly called history. There's nothing to discuss except how it will end, for it always does end, one way or another. This is not like any other form of criminal government. It's a corptocracy, it's not like corporations have ever been this close to claiming open un~elected authority. The end will not be like all those others we know of from history.

I stopped reading after you said that contrails in WW2 didn't exist and they have only been happening since 1996. What kind of hole do you have to be living in to completely ignore science to fit your agenda?
 

Area201

cold fusion
My take is that if I was really serious about this subject and in a location that I believed was geoengineering being done above my land, I would get a hot air balloon (one that can go up to those elevations), remote control with camera and set up and document capturing the said "chemtrails" or clouds being seeded by planes I see flying over. I would send to independent lab for analysis. I would get another team to do the same and share results.

The guy who tried to go on a plane to study them could not execute it properly. Wouldn't someone be able to use a balloon? have people done this?

@Caeldeth What would you say to the prospect of black/classified military operations performing isolated or limited geoengineering operations - outside of the commercial planes and their contrails. Two separate things can exist right?
 

Caeldeth

Noble
@Caeldeth What would you say to the prospect of black/classified military operations performing isolated or limited geoengineering operations - outside of the commercial planes and their contrails. Two separate things can exist right?

The military has conducted operations in relation somewhat to geoenginerring. I direct you to "operation popeye" during the Vietnam war. But as for large scale operations I very highly, highly, highly doubt it. It just wouldn't make any sense to conduct these operations. The military and it's black projects are more concerned about making bigger better bombs, better aircraft, better guns, cross engineering technology etc. Really, there wouldn't be any money to be made off geoenginerring.

For geoenginerring to actually work, which is basically spraying fine particulates into the atmosphere to block out UVs and reduce carbon to reverse climate change, would need to be a worldwide effort. It wouldn't be a secret that these operations are being conducted. You would see hundreds military aircraft flying in formation worldwide. Not just a couple of jets here and there. You also have to take into aacount that many countries have already banned geoenginerring because it is incredibly harmful for the atmosphere. It wouldn't work without a worldwide effort.
 
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