Intelligent alien life: astronomy, astrobiology, and the age of inhabitable worlds

The problem with a "warp" drive is three-fold:

1. The forces (from our current understanding) would propagate at the speed of light.
That's a legitimate area of debate - I'm not convinced that a gravitational field propulsion mechanism could move faster than light speed for that reason. But on the other hand, a warp field "bubble" may not be required. For example, what if the gravitational dipoles are generated within the hull of the craft? In that case, the field doesn't need to propagate ahead of the craft; it would be situated within the material so it's moving with the craft's rest frame. I haven't seen that concept explored in the literature yet so it's just speculation, but it's an interesting thought.

2. The power requirements would be almost unimaginable.
Well, I have two points about this. One: we don't yet understand the nature of the coupling mechanism between mass-energy and spacetime - we only know the magnitude of the coupling constant. So we're in a similar position with gravity today, as we were in a couple of hundred of years ago with regard to magnetism, when our only source of magnetism was load stone. We could increase the magnetic field by gathering together more load stone, but the idea of making a 1-Tesla magnetic field that way would've been preposterous. But once we understood the nature of the magnetic field, we quickly learned to generate vastly more powerful fields with a relatively modest expenditure of energy. The same might be possible with gravitation once we understand its nature more deeply, namely, when we have a grand unified theory.

The other point is simply this: we're seeing exotic devices exhibiting all of the key performance characteristics of a gravitational field propulsion system. So it's possible to replicate these performance characteristics. And it must not require the levels of energy that we presume with our current and limited physics knowledge, because otherwise, the Earth would've been sterilized of all life the first time that such a craft lost field containment (was shot down or crashed or whatever). And even if none of these craft have malfunctioned or crashed, I don't think that any advanced civilization would be sending such craft into our airpsace if a malfunction would sterile the entire planetary ecosphere.

So I think we have some good reasons to conclude that our current energy calculations on this subject are predicated on our limited knowledge, rather than the true energy requirements.

3. The tidal forces of the spacecraft would rip apart matter into constituent particles. The "bow" wave would compress matter to almost neutron star densities along one axis and the "stern wave" would diffuse matter to densities almost that of normal space.
That would only apply to extremely high field densities and field accelerations, which aren't required for interstellar spaceflight. For example, at an acceleration of only 1G (meaning that the craft exhibits 1G of gravitational acceleration on one side and -1G of gravitational repulsion on the other), the craft could approach very close to the the speed of light within the span of one year. And 1G forces pose no hazard to the structural integrity of any solid material, such as metals.

But it wouldn't consume a lot of reaction mass and would go faster than we can now.
That's the most interesting aspect of such a system: once it's powered up, the only energy losses are whatever efficiently limitations are intrinsic to the technology itself, which might be very small (as we see with superconductors). So even a modest power source could keep such a device running, once the system is energized. It just becomes an issue of redistributing the existing energy in the system to produce positive and negative accelerations and levitation and so forth.

what is better: claiming that we have no idea what UFOs are or understand what they are or use a theory (ETH) wich has basically no proof only speculation?
this is why i choose the interdimensional theory (among other factors)
The ETH has way more going for it than mere speculation. Everything that we've learned about astronomy and astrobiology and planetary evolution in the last 20 years, points to a model of the galaxy (and universe) most likely teeming with life. And given the numbers - like many billions of warm Earth-like planets orbiting Sun-like stars in our galaxy alone, it would be shocking if we were the only technological civilization in this galaxy, or even one of very few. Even a highly pessimistic application of the Drake equation predicts many thousand of civilization in our galaxy alone, and as we've seen in that 2015 study, the average age of those civilizations strongly suggests that they'll be billions of years ahead of us.

Given what we know now, the least likely conclusion to make is that we aren't and haven't been visitied by extraterrestrial civilizations. And the bulk of AAV sightings reports, and radar tracking data (and perhaps even some gun camera footage) clearly indicate advanced aerospace vehicles operating in our airspace occasionally, which aren't ours. So there it is: the theory predicts that we're being visited and the observations appear to confirm those predictions. It doesn't get much better than that, from a scientific standpoint.

But nobody's ever posited a viable model for interdimensional travel, or even offered a compelling argument for the existence of other realities, so that's wild speculation at best.
 

humanoidlord

ce3 researcher
The ETH has way more going for it than mere speculation. Everything that we've learned about astronomy and astrobiology and planetary evolution in the last 20 years, points to a model of the galaxy (and universe) most likely teeming with life. And given the numbers - like many billions of warm Earth-like planets orbiting Sun-like stars in our galaxy alone, it would be shocking if we were the only technological civilization in this galaxy, or even one of very few. Even a highly pessimistic application of the Drake equation predicts many thousand of civilization in our galaxy alone, and as we've seen in that 2015 study, the average age of those civilizations strongly suggests that they'll be billions of years ahead of us.

Given what we know now, the least likely conclusion to make is that we aren't and haven't been visitied by extraterrestrial civilizations. And the bulk of AAV sightings reports, and radar tracking data (and perhaps even some gun camera footage) clearly indicate advanced aerospace vehicles operating in our airspace occasionally, which aren't ours. So there it is: the theory predicts that we're being visited and the observations appear to confirm those predictions. It doesn't get much better than that, from a scientific standpoint.

But nobody's ever posited a viable model for interdimensional travel, or even offered a compelling argument for the existence of other realities, so that's wild speculation at best.
we once again enter in the FTL problem wich we already talked about
 
we once again enter in the FTL problem wich we already talked about
You raised this objection and I already responded to it. This is only a problem if you decide to impose today's technological limitations on the future of human civilization for all time, and throw out a raft of cutting-edge mainstream theoretical physics papers. You're free to do that. I choose not to.

paranormal phenomena all have three things in common:
elusiveness
impossibility or near impossibility to get material proof
trickster or oodly sentient nature of the phenomena
these three things make a good case we are dealing with the same thing
Your logic is faulty. Brown recluse spiders, cat burglars, and spy planes share most of those features in common as well, but they're totally unrelated phenomena.

Likewise, ghosts, demons, ufos, coelacanths, and a good barber may share some things in common (rarity, elusiveness, whatever) but that doesn't indicate any kind of direct relationship whatsoever.

again i am the kind of man that wont believe in it until someone reproduces it in laboratory, it may not be speculation but to a poor and useless civilian like me it has the same value
That’s fine, but there are ultimately two kinds of people in the world: those who can see what’s coming, and those who can’t. The first kind put a man on the Moon, and the second mocked them for thinking it was even possible, until it actually happened.

So I endeavor to be in the first category rather than the second.

no idea who he is, is he some guy from paracast?
Yeah, he also refused to believe in anything that hadn’t already been achieved under laboratory conditions. He was an intelligent guy, he just didn’t see the value in looking ahead. My point is that you can’t get there if you’re not looking.

well lets see:
you are a alien crew with a superluminal drive, on transit to earth you discover that you forgot water (wich itself is ridiculous, do you ever remenber seeing NASA forgetting anything?) so instead of doing the sane thing: aborting the mission and going back to home (again, superluminal drive) you instead ask a farmer of an inferior species in middleoffuckingnowhere/USA a bottle of water, i dont know you but that makes no sense
I think it’s foolish to dismiss such an encounter on that basis; perhaps they wanted to make contact with a local so they orchestrated simple a trade deal. Maybe they wanted a sample of our drinking water to test for contaminants and native microbiological life forms. Maybe it was some kind of alien PsyOp to gauge our reaction to such a scenario.

There’s no way to know. But is it a fundamentally irrational encounter on its face? Not if you’re willing to entertain the variety of possible explanations.

But like I said, I have no idea if it actually happened. My interest is in the physics, not interplanetary relations.

and there you have failed , CE3 is the bread and butter of the UFO phenomena, the most interesting and scientifically important experiences lie in the CE3+ sphere
i suggest you research these kind of experiences, you may change your belief after seeing them
Uhm, there’s little if any supporting evidence for those kinds of cases, so it’s impossible to cull the data set. That makes it worthless to me.

And like I said, I’m not interested in the social implications of a hopelessly noisy data set. I want to know how the craft hover and accelerate like a bullet, because figuring that out would be extremely advantageous to mankind. Even if it were possible to sort the hoaxes from any possibly genuine CE3 cases, then what could I possible hope to learn? Alien contact etiquette? What use could that possibly be?

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but those dont answer the ultimate question: what is at the "helm" of these AAV's?
That may be your ultimate question, but it’s not mine. Knock yourself out – if you think you can figure it out by poring over an almost exclusively anecdotal data set, have at it, and let us know what you come up with.

But so far all you’ve offered is “an unexplained intelligence is coming from an interdimensional reality that has no empirical evidence of existing in the first place.” I hesitate to call that progress.

i believe thats why nobody takes it seriously, it's too weird and alien to them and isnt relatable to anything they have seen in sci-fi
and thats why the cover up exists, revealing the existence of such a thing would collapse all religions and scientific institutions and possibly even cause WWIII if the current state of the world is the "common" one
I think you’re overstating a lot here. First of all, people don’t reject the alleged “interdimensional hypothesis” because it’s “too weird.” We reject it because it has as much empirical and logical validity as the existence of Oz or Middle Earth.

its much more complex than that, i believe we are dealing with a very powerfull entity that probally dont comes in plurals, just appears to be so
A rational mind can only build hypotheses and theories on the available empirical data. And the data points to many different kinds of craft (and possibly entities), not one “very powerful entity” (of an unspecified nature and origin). So that’s what people who employ analytical reasoning run with. If new data emerges that actually challenges that direction of inquiry, then so be it; we’ll change our thinking on this subject accordingly.

But the preponderance of data across a spectrum of scientific disciplines points to “many different craft from many different civilizations navigating our airspace from time to time.” If it all turns out to be some extravagantly elaborate rouse by some unimaginably advanced form of intelligence, then sure - we’ll look like fools for falling for it.

But I’d rather stick with facts and logic and risk being wrong, than abandon them altogether and fundamentally cripple the utility of my mind in the process.
 
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What materials when mixed with water and highly agitated could produce enormous amounts of energy?
Unfortunately there are too many possibilities to list (and many more that we probably don't even know about), and we can't be sure that the water was even relevant to the encounter.

But one of the gazillion possibilities is the use of water and powdered aluminum to produce hydrogen, which might be used to power a fusion reactor.
 

humanoidlord

ce3 researcher
Your logic is faulty. Brown recluse spiders, cat burglars, and spy planes share most of those features in common as well, but they're totally unrelated phenomena.

Likewise, ghosts, demons, ufos, coelacanths, and a good barber may share some things in common (rarity, elusiveness, whatever) but that doesn't indicate any kind of direct relationship whatsoever.
oh wait, i forgot something, what i call the crossover phenomena when two paranormal phenomena are reported with obvious connections, for example we have reports of bigfoots seen inside UFOs, poltergeist activity after a ufo encounter, the infamous events documented in john keel's "mothman prophecies", paranormal hotspots and much more
That’s fine, but there are ultimately two kinds of people in the world: those who can see what’s coming, and those who can’t. The first kind put a man on the Moon, and the second mocked them for thinking it was even possible, until it actually happened.

So I endeavor to be in the first category rather than the second.
i wont be as radical as the moon landing guys, if it really seems to be in the horizon then i will believe on it otherwise nope
Yeah, he also refused to believe in anything that hadn’t already been achieved under laboratory conditions. He was an intelligent guy, he just didn’t see the value in looking ahead. My point is that you can’t get there if you’re not looking.
well i agree with him
Maybe it was some kind of alien PsyOp to gauge our reaction to such a scenario.
lol, you have accidentally reached the same conclusion as me, just switch alien with unknow entity
There’s no way to know. But is it a fundamentally irrational encounter on its face? Not if you’re willing to entertain the variety of possible explanations.
to not open a even bigger can of worms, i look for the obvious in the case, otherwise we could conclude almost anything about a certain case
Uhm, there’s little if any supporting evidence for those kinds of cases, so it’s impossible to cull the data set. That makes it worthless to me.
the fact that people of all countries and cultures have reported them is enough to me
And like I said, I’m not interested in the social implications of a hopelessly noisy data set. I want to know how the craft hover and accelerate like a bullet, because figuring that out would be extremely advantageous to mankind. Even if it were possible to sort the hoaxes from any possibly genuine CE3 cases, then what could I possible hope to learn? Alien contact etiquette? What use could that possibly be?
you will learn the bizzare and high strangeness reality behind the ufo phenomena, its much weirder than you think
But so far all you’ve offered is “an unexplained intelligence is coming from an interdimensional reality that has no empirical evidence of existing in the first place.” I hesitate to call that progress.
i like to look at the obvious before looking at anything your GOVs have offered to us, including disinfo agents like rick doty phillip corso and more
just the fact the media likes to shove at your face the ETH explanation is enough proof to me it isnt real
I think you’re overstating a lot here. First of all, people don’t reject the alleged “interdimensional hypothesis” because it’s “too weird.” We reject it because it has as much empirical and logical validity as the existence of Oz or Middle Earth.
now you tell me: where is the proof that the phenomena is ET, i mean proof not some FTL-related speculation
And the data points to many different kinds of craft (and possibly entities)
so you are trying to debunk a problem in my theory by showing a problem of the ETH?
just the simply variety of reported craft and UFOnauts is proof something is wrong
If new data emerges that actually challenges that direction of inquiry, then so be it; we’ll change our thinking on this subject accordingly.
i like to think forward and subscribe to radical theories
But the preponderance of data across a spectrum of scientific disciplines points to “many different craft from many different civilizations navigating our airspace from time to time.”
but doesn't explain the various anomalies of the phenomena
But I’d rather stick with facts and logic and risk being wrong, than abandon them altogether and fundamentally cripple the utility of my mind in the process.
i am just thinking out of the box
 
oh wait, i forgot something, what i call the crossover phenomena when two paranormal phenomena are reported with obvious connections, for example we have reports of bigfoots seen inside UFOs
I’ve heard talk of stuff like that, but what I don’t understand is why you believe it. I mean, sure – maybe it happened. But maybe not. Without any kind of corroboration, it’s just a story. And that’s just not sufficient evidence for serious consideration in my book. If you don’t parse the data, at all, then you could be trying to make sense of a data set that’s 99% garbage, y’know?

poltergeist activity after a ufo encounter
Okay let’s say for the sake of argument, that there is such a thing as “poltergeist activity.” I’ve heard some interviews with Dr. Barry Taff, and he offers some compelling testimony, so I try to keep an open mind about it.

So with that said – this kind of correlation could easily be coincidental. Because if AAVs are real (and I’m convinced that they are) and poltergeist activity is real, then sometimes both things are going to happen to the same person, as a simple matter of statistical fact. For example, some people who witness an AAV are also going to witness a murder sometime afterward. Does that mean that AAVs are connected to murders? Of course not. Both are a part of the human experience, so sometimes people will experience both things: it doesn’t mean that they’re connected in any way.

the fact that people of all countries and cultures have reported them is enough to me
Well that’s where we differ then: for me a story is insufficient. For centuries sailors from all kinds of countries reported mermaids, for example. That didn’t make them real. Stories are worthless as data, unless there’s some kind of empirical evidence to support them. And with AAVs, we have radar tracking cases, trace evidence cases, multiple eyewitness sightings, and apparently some FLIR footage, stuff like that.

you will learn the bizzare and high strangeness reality behind the ufo phenomena, its much weirder than you think
I would be stunned if really weird things didn’t happen now and then – it’s a weird, ancient, and vast universe. There’s probably a lot of things going on that we’re not fully cognizant of yet.

And I think that one thing we can be pretty sure will be weird, is an encounter with an alien life form. I’m mystified when people say “what’s going on is too weird to be aliens.” Really? How can you possibly say what is, and what isn’t, too weird to be alien? Like we started off considering in this thread, the average age of a habitable planet is roughly 3 billion years older than our Earth. If we were to encounter the descendants of humanity 3 billion years in the future, how weird do you think that encounter would be? “Unimaginable weird,” would be the most likely estimation, imo. So the ETH predicts that alien encounters will tend toward the high strange, by its very nature. Paranormal/supernatural entities not required.

just the fact the media likes to shove at your face the ETH explanation is enough proof to me it isnt real
I think that’s irrational. Because for starters, the government and the mainstream media have been bending over backwards to mock and discredit the notion of alien visitation for 70+ years. They clearly don’t want us to think about it seriously.

And if I disbelieved everything that I see in the media, then I’d have to disbelieve everything and conclude that WWII never happened, and 9/11 never happened, and the Space Shuttle never existed, etc. It’s crazy to say that something isn’t real because it was on television. Although granted, most of the narratives about current events are usually “spun” to build public consensus for wars and the loss of our Constitutional rights, and so forth. So the data from those creeps has to be parsed. But it can’t be thrown out entirely without donning a tinfoil hat.

now you tell me: where is the proof that the phenomena is ET, i mean proof not some FTL-related speculation
Jesus there’s so much of it, I don’t know where to start, and it would take multiple volumes of large books to go through it all. But here’s one very recent example – the USS Nimitz CSG case. Here’s one of the radar operators on board at the time, talking about the roughly 100 radar contacts they had over a course of six days, where they watched these craft dropping down from space, moving around over the water, and then disappearing back up to space. And this guy saw clear close-up gun camera footage of an object that was domed on top and flat on the bottom, that could easily fly circles around our top interceptors, and accelerate like a bullet. Obviously this was an encounter with alien technology:



so you are trying to debunk a problem in my theory by showing a problem of the ETH?

just the simply variety of reported craft and UFOnauts is proof something is wrong
No, that makes no sense. The ETH predicts that the universe and our galaxy are likely teeming with intelligent species, and the ones with FTL technology will drop by from various civilizations. Which is exactly what we seem to be observing. So it’s a hand-in-glove fit between the theoretical prediction and the data. How can anyone not see that?

i like to think forward and subscribe to radical theories
That’s fine but two minutes ago you were saying that you like to go with the obvious. A universe teeming with life, some of which has interstellar spaceflight capability, is pretty obvious, given what we now know about the prevalence of inhabitable worlds, and everything else (the ubiquity of organic molecules and water, planetary evolution, etc.)

but doesn't explain the various anomalies of the phenomena
Again, how can you possibly assess what’s “too anomalous” to be an encounter with an alien civilization 1-5 billion years ahead of us? You can’t, and neither can I, but it’s reasonable to expect such encounters to be downright psychedelic by our comparatively primitive human standards.

i am just thinking out of the box
That’s fine, but I prefer to just expand the box. And that means extending what we know, not throwing out all of the data and all of science.

One last thing: you're an advocate of the interdimensional hypothesis, I gather, and you don't seem to think that FTL spaceflight is possible, so I have a question for you:

How does the idea of an advanced form of intelligence traveling between dimensions, seem more likely than the idea of an advanced form of intelligence travelling between stars?

I don't understand how you can scoff at the idea of crossing interstellar distances, and in the same breath advocate the idea of crossing between realities. The former sounds a lot less ambitious than the latter, to me. Presumably it would require some kind of interdimensional wormhole to cross between realities, and that level of physics is way beyond the simple gravitational field gradient required to propel a spacecraft between the stars.
 
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nivek

As Above So Below
It is impossible for the human mind to fully grasp the scale and numbers involved...some 100-400 billion stars....>40 billion warm Earth-like worlds...100,000 light-years in diameter - it's genuinely mind-boggling. But when confronting a vast number like 40 billion warm Earth-like candidate worlds, that should be compelling to anyone, precisely because it is such an enormous number.

And I tend to agree that the most advanced alien civilizations probably wouldn't be visible to us if they didn't want to be, and if they simply didn't care about being observed, their technology would probably look incomprehensible to us. But I figure that it's a very wide spectrum of sophistication out there, and the least advanced civilizations are more likely to find us interesting, so we probably see craft from those civilizations most of the time. The civilizations billions of years ahead of us could probably be looking over our shoulders right now through some kind of invisible wormhole or something, and we'd never even know about it - but I reckon they've got better things to do with their time than observe primitives like us.

I would like to add to those numbers all of the possible moons which may also harbour life as we know it and it appears we may have already discovered over 120 candidates...

Distant moons may harbor life - ScienceDaily
Researchers have identified more than 100 giant planets that potentially host moons capable of supporting life. Their work will guide the design of future telescopes that can detect these potential moons and look for tell-tale signs of life, called biosignatures, in their atmospheres.

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CasualBystander

Celestial
Now come on, Casual, a lot of Aliens..?. If there are more than a couple out there --》 there's a few.

lots of them ; stands true if you think that theres probably a few more additional out there ,, somewhere,, than just
the odd couple or a few green ones.

Look at the night sky ( outside DC ) and think about it.

Except for the late comet bombardment there would be no life on earth.

Life developed in the sea.

No late bombardment - no sea.

The earth was formed (mostly) from supernova debris with little gaseous composition. That is why there are the heavy elements (sulfur, phosphorus, iron, calcium, magnesium etc. etc.) needed for life.

The reason we have an atmosphere is because of magnetic field created by the fact the planet is about 1/3 iron (32% iron). The most common single element.

There are so many odd things about the origin of the earth - it is like the planet was designed.

Can't create life with silicates and aluminas.
 
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Except for the late comet bombardment there would be no life on earth.

Life developed in the sea.

No late bombardment - no sea.

The earth was formed (mostly) from supernova debris with little gaseous composition. That is why there are the heavy elements (sulfur, phosphorus, iron, calcium, magnesium etc. etc.) needed for life.

The reason we have an atmosphere is because of magnetic field created by the fact the planet is about 1/3 iron (32% iron). The most common single element.

There are so many odd things about the origin of the earth - it is like the planet was designed.

Can't create life with silicates and aluminas.
I don't see it that way at all - water is abundant throughout the universe and would likely collect into sufficiently sized pools to facilitate the evolution of life on any planet in the Goldilocks Zone (not so hot that the water remains gaseous, not so cold that it remains frozen).

To me the Earth appears to be an ordinary rocky planet orbiting an ordinary kind of star, and the statistical analyses of the Kepler mission have borne that out, projecting estimates of many billions of warm earth-like worlds in our galaxy alone.

What about sulfer?...
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I dunno about sulfur, but scientists have long considered that silicon-based life forms could arise on much hotter planets than the Earth, because at higher temperatures silicon chemistry is quite similar to carbon chemistry at the lower temperatures we find on Earth. And recently research biologists have found that hybrid carbon-silicon chemistry is a viable path for life as well:

Silicon-based life may be more than just science fiction
 

humanoidlord

ce3 researcher
I’ve heard talk of stuff like that, but what I don’t understand is why you believe it. I mean, sure – maybe it happened. But maybe not. Without any kind of corroboration, it’s just a story. And that’s just not sufficient evidence for serious consideration in my book. If you don’t parse the data, at all, then you could be trying to make sense of a data set that’s 99% garbage, y’know?
i believe because more than one person reported it, simple as that
So with that said – this kind of correlation could easily be coincidental. Because if AAVs are real (and I’m convinced that they are) and poltergeist activity is real, then sometimes both things are going to happen to the same person, as a simple matter of statistical fact. For example, some people who witness an AAV are also going to witness a murder sometime afterward. Does that mean that AAVs are connected to murders? Of course not. Both are a part of the human experience, so sometimes people will experience both things: it doesn’t mean that they’re connected in any way.
no, i aint talking about people that saw a ufo and a poltergeist in different periods of the witness life, i am talking about people who saw poltergeist following a UFO encounter
nt. For centuries sailors from all kinds of countries reported mermaids, for example.
the irony here is that this is another real phenomena made by the "entity" whatever it's name is
And with AAVs, we have radar tracking cases, trace evidence cases, multiple eyewitness sightings, and apparently some FLIR footage, stuff like that.
yeah and? where is the fun in that, if you remain below Ce3+ you are gonna get the more low strangeness reports, and if you remain at those, it does give the illusion of a nuts-and-bolts phenomena
And I think that one thing we can be pretty sure will be weird, is an encounter with an alien life form. I’m mystified when people say “what’s going on is too weird to be aliens.” Really? How can you possibly say what is, and what isn’t, too weird to be alien? Like we started off considering in this thread, the average age of a habitable planet is roughly 3 billion years older than our Earth. If we were to encounter the descendants of humanity 3 billion years in the future, how weird do you think that encounter would be? “Unimaginable weird,” would be the most likely estimation, imo. So the ETH predicts that alien encounters will tend toward the high strange, by its very nature. Paranormal/supernatural entities not required.
actually its the total opposite, most reports from the 50's-70's show ETs that are surprisingly un-advanced for a race with FTL, at most they will have laser guns and solid light beams, but it doesnt get better than that
in fact there is a report (long prairie,1965) where the witness saw what looked like a V2 land in a road and a bunch of primitive insect-sized robots come out of it
I think that’s irrational. Because for starters, the government and the mainstream media have been bending over backwards to mock and discredit the notion of alien visitation for 70+ years. They clearly don’t want us to think about it seriously.

And if I disbelieved everything that I see in the media, then I’d have to disbelieve everything and conclude that WWII never happened, and 9/11 never happened, and the Space Shuttle never existed, etc. It’s crazy to say that something isn’t real because it was on television. Although granted, most of the narratives about current events are usually “spun” to build public consensus for wars and the loss of our Constitutional rights, and so forth. So the data from those creeps has to be parsed. But it can’t be thrown out entirely without donning a tinfoil hat.
this is called brainwashing, if the media cant shut up about spoopy aliens from outer space, then it must be real right?
Jesus there’s so much of it, I don’t know where to start, and it would take multiple volumes of large books to go through it all. But here’s one very recent example – the USS Nimitz CSG case. Here’s one of the radar operators on board at the time, talking about the roughly 100 radar contacts they had over a course of six days, where they watched these craft dropping down from space, moving around over the water, and then disappearing back up to space. And this guy saw clear close-up gun camera footage of an object that was domed on top and flat on the bottom, that could easily fly circles around our top interceptors, and accelerate like a bullet. Obviously this was an encounter with alien technology:
nope, there was no indication of anything ET in it except maybe the "it appeared to come from outer space" part, but this is likely just a illusion caused by fast materialization of the craft
No, that makes no sense. The ETH predicts that the universe and our galaxy are likely teeming with intelligent species, and the ones with FTL technology will drop by from various civilizations. Which is exactly what we seem to be observing. So it’s a hand-in-glove fit between the theoretical prediction and the data. How can anyone not see that?
that part makes sense, what makes no sense is why are they so interested in a boring generic planet with life, there are billions out there, yet they are interested in this one, why? (please dont bring the long since debunked nuclear power argument)
That’s fine but two minutes ago you were saying that you like to go with the obvious. A universe teeming with life, some of which has interstellar spaceflight capability, is pretty obvious, given what we now know about the prevalence of inhabitable worlds, and everything else (the ubiquity of organic molecules and water, planetary evolution, etc.)
i look at the stark facts of a ufo sighting and see wich theory it fits
Again, how can you possibly assess what’s “too anomalous” to be an encounter with an alien civilization 1-5 billion years ahead of us? You can’t, and neither can I, but it’s reasonable to expect such encounters to be downright psychedelic by our comparatively primitive human standards.
with some very notable exceptions (including two favorites of mine: conil de la frontera/1989 and the jean hingley flying saucer fairies ecounter) a lot of ce3 ecounters are surprisingly dull, wich is quite anomalous when you put in perspective the various possible civilizations, in contrasct a report is too weird when it has so many weird elements that it borders in the supernatural
How does the idea of an advanced form of intelligence traveling between dimensions, seem more likely than the idea of an advanced form of intelligence travelling between stars?
i believe that its not much interdimensional as it is extradimensional as in it transcends all dimensions being able to manifest in whatever dimension it wants by pure will
 

humanoidlord

ce3 researcher
There are so many odd things about the origin of the earth - it is like the planet was designed.
sometimes i think the same thing, i wonder... maybe earth is artificial and was created as an experiment by the same thing that created the universe? in that case we are truly alone, and that is very disturbing
 
sometimes i think the same thing, i wonder... maybe earth is artificial and was created as an experiment by the same thing that created the universe? in that case we are truly alone, and that is very disturbing
So you're actually willing to consider that the entire, evidently infinite universe, was created just to try out an experiment on this one ordinary planet orbiting an ordinary kind of star?

Whoa. I guess we haven't come very far since the Dark Ages after all, with its earth-centric view of the universe and all that malarkey :/
 

CasualBystander

Celestial
So you're actually willing to consider that the entire, evidently infinite universe, was created just to try out an experiment on this one ordinary planet orbiting an ordinary kind of star?

Whoa. I guess we haven't come very far since the Dark Ages after all, with its earth-centric view of the universe and all that malarkey :/

Well...

Take a Charlize Theron movie - like "A Million Ways to Die in the West". White out everything except her silhouette and all sounds except her voice.

Loses something doesn't it?

There are over 1000 credited people that worked on the movie and hundreds of uncredited extras.

Filming Charlize Theron just repeating her lines with self triggered camera would ineffably and obviously different than her movie performance and bear no resemblance to the full movie.

Claiming that all that backdrop and staff isn't necessary, is a damned lie.

Besides we don't know that we are the only experiment - but from what we know there aren't many like us.

I don't see it that way at all - water is abundant throughout the universe and would likely collect into sufficiently sized pools to facilitate the evolution of life on any planet in the Goldilocks Zone (not so hot that the water remains gaseous, not so cold that it remains frozen).

To me the Earth appears to be an ordinary rocky planet orbiting an ordinary kind of star, and the statistical analyses of the Kepler mission have borne that out, projecting estimates of many billions of warm earth-like worlds in our galaxy alone.


I dunno about sulfur, but scientists have long considered that silicon-based life forms could arise on much hotter planets than the Earth, because at higher temperatures silicon chemistry is quite similar to carbon chemistry at the lower temperatures we find on Earth. And recently research biologists have found that hybrid carbon-silicon chemistry is a viable path for life as well:

Silicon-based life may be more than just science fiction

1. All bodies inside the asteroid belt - except the earth - are dry rocks because the solar output is high enough to cook off the water.

2. Silicon based life is less than science fiction. The bond breaking rate of DNA is high enough that humans have about 1 million DNA breaks per cell per day.

Silicon based life would have a much higher encoding failure rate.
 
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humanoidlord

ce3 researcher
So you're actually willing to consider that the entire, evidently infinite universe, was created just to try out an experiment on this one ordinary planet orbiting an ordinary kind of star?

Whoa. I guess we haven't come very far since the Dark Ages after all, with its earth-centric view of the universe and all that malarkey :/
earth-centrism isnt a thing to be proud of
it would mean that we are lab rats
 
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