Alien Reproduction Vehicle

humanoidlord

ce3 researcher
PS: I was also very surprised to read that sighting of this vehicle go back to the 1990's and now some are saying they go way further back. If that's the case then these cannot be Terrestrial, but they look to me just like something we would make, so I find that very hard to believe.
remenber belief is a wall to progress, if you find something wich dont fits your world view, then adapt it to your world view or change it completely
 
... BTW, I'm always looking up when I go outside and have for years, mainly I guess because I've always been looking for flying things, planes, helicopters, blimps, birds and so on. People really need to look over their heads. Just like the Reno sighting I had, there was no noise or anything which would have clued you in if you hadn't been looking to see it.
People looking up? Won't happen. They all suffer from smartphone induced neck injuries.
 

Area201

cold fusion
@spacecase0 @Mathias Båge

Maybe you can pick up some helpful info from these Puthoff's statements and documents how some of the UFOs UAPs work. Or just interesting reference for the thread. I copy and pasted a portion here only.

My amateur understanding of all this - general idea - advanced uniform metamaterials or crystals applied with very high frequency electromagnetic radiation terahertz frequencies to create craft masslessness - and whatever effects associated.

> So, I let out 38 contracts over a two-year period. I’ll show you what the studies were on. You can read them there: positron aerospace propulsion, IEC fusion as a compact energy source, warp drive, dark energy, extra dimensions, metallic glasses for aerospace use. Really cutting edge kinds of things.

>Here are some more of the papers that I commissioned: negative mass propulsion, antigravity for aerospace applications, programmable matter, invisibility cloaking – these are just the kind of things that we needed to have maximum technical input from the best people around the globe. And so, that’s what we did, that’s what I did.

THIS IS AN EXPLANATION OF RECOVERED MATERIALS FROM A UFO

> It was a multilayered bismuth and magnesium sample. Bismuth layers less than a human hair. Magnesium samples about ten-times the size of a human hair. Supposedly picked up in the crash retrieval of an Advanced Aerospace Vehicle. It looks like it’s been in a crash. The white lines are the bismuth; the darker areas are the magnesium separations. So the question was what about this material, so naturally we looked in all the national labs, we talked to metallurgists, we combed the entire structure of published papers. Nowhere could we find any evidence that anybody ever made one of these.

>Secondly, some attempts were made to try to reproduce this material, but they couldn’t get the bismuth and magnesium layers to bond.

>Thirdly, when we talked to people in the materials field who should know, they said we don’t know why anybody would want to make anything like this. It’s not obvious that it has any function.

>Well, years later, decades later actually, finally our own science moves along. We move into an area called metamaterials, and it turns out exactly this combination of materials at exactly those dimensions turn out to be an excellent microscopic waveguide for very high frequency electromagnetic radiation terahertz frequencies. So, the wavelength is 60 microns, which is a pretty small size. But it turns out because of the metamaterial aspect of this material, those bismuth layers that act as waveguides can be one twentieth the size of the wavelength, and usually when you make a waveguide it’s gotta be about the size of the wavelength. So, in fact this turned out to be a material that would propagate sub-wavelength waveguide effects. Why somebody wants to do that we still don’t know the answer to that.

THIS IS AN EXPLANATION OF RECOVERED MATERIALS FROM A UFO

> It was a multilayered bismuth and magnesium sample. Bismuth layers less than a human hair. Magnesium samples about ten-times the size of a human hair. Supposedly picked up in the crash retrieval of an Advanced Aerospace Vehicle. It looks like it’s been in a crash. The white lines are the bismuth; the darker areas are the magnesium separations. So the question was what about this material, so naturally we looked in all the national labs, we talked to metallurgists, we combed the entire structure of published papers. Nowhere could we find any evidence that anybody ever made one of these.

>Secondly, some attempts were made to try to reproduce this material, but they couldn’t get the bismuth and magnesium layers to bond.

>Thirdly, when we talked to people in the materials field who should know, they said we don’t know why anybody would want to make anything like this. It’s not obvious that it has any function.

>Well, years later, decades later actually, finally our own science moves along. We move into an area called metamaterials, and it turns out exactly this combination of materials at exactly those dimensions turn out to be an excellent microscopic waveguide for very high frequency electromagnetic radiation terahertz frequencies. So, the wavelength is 60 microns, which is a pretty small size. But it turns out because of the metamaterial aspect of this material, those bismuth layers that act as waveguides can be one twentieth the size of the wavelength, and usually when you make a waveguide it’s gotta be about the size of the wavelength. So, in fact this turned out to be a material that would propagate sub-wavelength waveguide effects. Why somebody wants to do that we still don’t know the answer to that.

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THIS IS AN EXPLANATION OF A FACTUAL AND SCIENTIFIC METHOD OF FASTER THAN LIGHT TRAVEL

>I’ll pick a second one here for the engineers or physicists in the crowd. Probably be more interesting – spacetime metric engineering. This happens to be the paper that I myself provided. One of the questions is: can the reported anomalous observables of these Advanced Aerospace Vehicles be accounted for on the basis of known physics? You hear people describing craft taking right angle turns at high speeds, other things with the hovering and rapid acceleration and so on, as if the craft didn’t have any inertial mass. Well, it turns out although Einstein’s general relativity is usually used in astrophysical applications and gravity studies and so on, you can look at it from an engineering standpoint. So, if you take an engineering approach to general relativity, what I just showed can be understood. If you could change the spacetime metric the way general relativity – I’m talking about textbook, not some fanciful physics – you could even get faster-than-light travel. Alcubierre warp drive as in Star Trek. Again, you might think that’s a fanciful kind of thing, but that paper was published in one of the top general relativity journals, Miguel Alcubierre, “The Warp Drive: Hyper-Fast Travel within General Relativity,” Classical and Quantum Gravity(11:L73-L77,1994). So, if you engineer spacetime metric, you can begin to line up observables with physics that we know and love even if we can’t reproduce it.

>What about the velocity of light constraint? People are always saying that. How could you have a wormhole that lets you go from one side of the universe to the other? Aren’t you beating the speed of light? What does the physicist and engineer mean by the speed of light? He means this little equation here where the speed of light is given by 1 over the square root of the permittivity times the permeability of the vacuum. So the point is if you reengineer those vacuum parameters, then you can make the effective speed of light higher in the engineered region. Those are the solutions in general relativity that are called wormholes, and again, it’s not science fiction. This is just right-off-the-shelf, standard text book general relativity applications.

>So, what that means is a reduced time interstellar travel is not as skeptics would say, “You can’t get from there to here.” Advanced ET civilizations now, or ourselves in the future are not fundamentally constrained by physical principals. The exotic physics for such can be addressed in engineering terms – some metric engineering as it were. Does this have any help? Again, by the way, this paper was also published as one of the Defense Intelligence Agency’s reference documents. And since we are permitted to publish in the open literature, I published that paper in a British interplanetary science journal, an engineering journal, so if you’re interested in looking at the details, you can learn as much as you want to know about metric engineering. (Advanced Space Propulsion Based on Vacuum (Spacetime Metirc) Engineering, H. Puthoff (2010), Journal of the British Interplanetary Society, 63, 82-89.)
 
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Gambeir

Celestial
Thanks Zeke, I'm glad you're looking in to this for your own self. Things have a way of working out they say, and after making an ass of myself elsewhere here on this forum, my favorite past time it seems, well that and this thread, and the information you posted which I'm familiar with, but which others may not be, well this has all resulted in some questions coming to my mind and they aren't questions I want to think about to be frank with you and everyone else.


I really don't want to even voice these thoughts but I have to ask: Are we being bamboozled? Was I personally fooled with the sighting I described of the black triangular tetrahedron? This is haunting me now and I'll explain why.

Puthoff has a serious background in mind control projects which I am planning to put in my mind control thread, but is something we have to keep in mind here as well, and now...and now...here's the really scary part to consider.

Since we know they can beam words directly in to your skull, voice to skull technology, what about beaming images? What if that's possible? What if the idea behind all this wireless broadcasting is to accomplish mass mind control by both voice and visual images? We have all been thinking of projected images like the amazing 7 D projections, but that is probably not a practical tool for a global project involving mass hysteria like an alien invasion, whereas beaming images in to peoples heads might be a whole lot more feasible, and might also explain a few other things in our recent history as well.

I can only explain the Black Tetrahedron UFO I saw in two ways. One, it is modifying the local surrounding atmosphere, just as described by Harold Puthoff; as there was no sound, no shock wave, no sonic boom. It went from a stand still to what had to be ten's of thousands of miles perhour in under 1 second. So while we look for a technical explanation there is one other, one I really don't want to think about but must consider.

Remember too that Elon Musk is planning to encase the globe with a 5D wireless system. See too China's unexplained antennas which are now covering vast portions of the uninhabited wastelands: Maybe I'm just a very useful fool doing my little bit part for the New World Order and don't even yet realize it. That's not something I'd willingly do of course, but am I doing it with these threads on supposed Alien/Human made UFO's?

Remember what Thomas has said about where our best scientists have not been able to succeed? Just because the premise of my own inquiry in to the ARV was that it is real, and that it has very old origins, well that doesn't mean I'm either right, or that the whole was not a complex mind game. I have never forgotten what Carol Rosin has said that Werner von Braun told her about a fake alien invasion.

It's hard not to be a useful pawn when you're just one little old man and the others have half the GDP of the US at their disposal, and possibly a few other small addditionals as well.

Could it have been a hoax? Could my sighting not have been accidental but rather intentional? I have been writing about this stuff for a while now. If there is a project blue beam then I would be an especially good target to sell the technology too. In other words, my blabbing all over about seeing one of these supposed ships makes it all the more convincing to others who also see such flying triangular ships.

So I have to raise the point that what I saw, which appeared as real as the car in the front driveway, might not have been real, but rather a holographic projection of one kind or another. I don't have a smart phone, but I do have a big ass microwave tower directly across the street, s possibly some mass projection in a local area which maybe I just happened to see, maybe others saw but dismissed or paid no attention to? So I cannot dismiss this possibility.

We need to keep this in mind because right now there's no other way to explain the physics of what I saw. Only a projected image could have created the illusion of hovering, and then instant acceleration to the level I think I witnessed.

This brings me back to Puthoff and others whom have put out these technical papers which seem so scientific with all the mathematical proofs and theories behind them. Sounds good, looks good, but are they real? Was the ARV even real in the sense that it actually worked, for I have no doubt that the witness described what they saw accurately, but was that engineered as well. Could this all be a complex illusion with and end goal. We have to keep mind this possibility, as well as the idea that both may exist. Food for thought I had to pass on.


As a final word of caution; the Universe is very fond of playing games, and it especially relishes placing a dunce cap on my head at routine intervals. Any who venture in to this topic are also doing so at their own risk as well ~ just FYI.

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humanoidlord

ce3 researcher
Thanks Zeke, I'm glad you're looking in to this for your own self. Things have a way of working out they say, and after making an ass of myself elsewhere here on this forum, my favorite past time it seems, well that and this thread, and the information you posted which I'm familiar with, but which others may not be, well this has all resulted in some questions coming to my mind and they aren't questions I want to think about to be frank with you and everyone else.


I really don't want to even voice these thoughts but I have to ask: Are we being bamboozled? Was I personally fooled with the sighting I described of the black triangular tetrahedron? This is haunting me now and I'll explain why.

Puthoff has a serious background in mind control projects which I am planning to put in my mind control thread, but is something we have to keep in mind here as well, and now...and now...here's the really scary part to consider.

Since we know they can beam words directly in to your skull, voice to skull technology, what about beaming images? What if that's possible? What if the idea behind all this wireless broadcasting is to accomplish mass mind control by both voice and visual images? We have all been thinking of projected images like the amazing 7 D projections, but that is probably not a practical tool for a global project involving mass hysteria like an alien invasion, whereas beaming images in to peoples heads might be a whole lot more feasible, and might also explain a few other things in our recent history as well.

I can only explain the Black Tetrahedron UFO I saw in two ways. One, it is modifying the local surrounding atmosphere, just as described by Harold Puthoff; as there was no sound, no shock wave, no sonic boom. It went from a stand still to what had to be ten's of thousands of miles perhour in under 1 second. So while we look for a technical explanation there is one other, one I really don't want to think about but must consider.

Remember too that Elon Musk is planning to encase the globe with a 5D wireless system. See too China's unexplained antennas which are now covering vast portions of the uninhabited wastelands: Maybe I'm just a very useful fool doing my little bit part for the New World Order and don't even yet realize it. That's not something I'd willingly do of course, but am I doing it with these threads on supposed Alien/Human made UFO's?

Remember what Thomas has said about where our best scientists have not been able to succeed? Just because the premise of my own inquiry in to the ARV was that it is real, and that it has very old origins, well that doesn't mean I'm either right, or that the whole was not a complex mind game. I have never forgotten what Carol Rosin has said that Werner von Braun told her about a fake alien invasion.

It's hard not to be a useful pawn when you're just one little old man and the others have half the GDP of the US at their disposal, and possibly a few other small addditionals as well.

Could it have been a hoax? Could my sighting not have been accidental but rather intentional? I have been writing about this stuff for a while now. If there is a project blue beam then I would be an especially good target to sell the technology too. In other words, my blabbing all over about seeing one of these supposed ships makes it all the more convincing to others who also see such flying triangular ships.

So I have to raise the point that what I saw, which appeared as real as the car in the front driveway, might not have been real, but rather a holographic projection of one kind or another. I don't have a smart phone, but I do have a big ass microwave tower directly across the street, s possibly some mass projection in a local area which maybe I just happened to see, maybe others saw but dismissed or paid no attention to? So I cannot dismiss this possibility.

We need to keep this in mind because right now there's no other way to explain the physics of what I saw. Only a projected image could have created the illusion of hovering, and then instant acceleration to the level I think I witnessed.

This brings me back to Puthoff and others whom have put out these technical papers which seem so scientific with all the mathematical proofs and theories behind them. Sounds good, looks good, but are they real? Was the ARV even real in the sense that it actually worked, for I have no doubt that the witness described what they saw accurately, but was that engineered as well. Could this all be a complex illusion with and end goal. We have to keep mind this possibility, as well as the idea that both may exist. Food for thought I had to pass on.


As a final word of caution; the Universe is very fond of playing games, and it especially relishes placing a dunce cap on my head at routine intervals. Any who venture in to this topic are also doing so at their own risk as well ~ just FYI.

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for once i agree wiith you ( well except the senseless 5g ranting)
i believe many whistleblowers are just mind control experiment victims
 

spacecase0

earth human
Thanks Zeke, I'm glad you're looking in to this for your own self. Things have a way of working out they say, and after making an ass of myself elsewhere here on this forum, my favorite past time it seems, well that and this thread, and the information you posted which I'm familiar with, but which others may not be, well this has all resulted in some questions coming to my mind and they aren't questions I want to think about to be frank with you and everyone else.


I really don't want to even voice these thoughts but I have to ask: Are we being bamboozled? Was I personally fooled with the sighting I described of the black triangular tetrahedron? This is haunting me now and I'll explain why.

Puthoff has a serious background in mind control projects which I am planning to put in my mind control thread, but is something we have to keep in mind here as well, and now...and now...here's the really scary part to consider.

Since we know they can beam words directly in to your skull, voice to skull technology, what about beaming images? What if that's possible? What if the idea behind all this wireless broadcasting is to accomplish mass mind control by both voice and visual images? We have all been thinking of projected images like the amazing 7 D projections, but that is probably not a practical tool for a global project involving mass hysteria like an alien invasion, whereas beaming images in to peoples heads might be a whole lot more feasible, and might also explain a few other things in our recent history as well.

I can only explain the Black Tetrahedron UFO I saw in two ways. One, it is modifying the local surrounding atmosphere, just as described by Harold Puthoff; as there was no sound, no shock wave, no sonic boom. It went from a stand still to what had to be ten's of thousands of miles perhour in under 1 second. So while we look for a technical explanation there is one other, one I really don't want to think about but must consider.

Remember too that Elon Musk is planning to encase the globe with a 5D wireless system. See too China's unexplained antennas which are now covering vast portions of the uninhabited wastelands: Maybe I'm just a very useful fool doing my little bit part for the New World Order and don't even yet realize it. That's not something I'd willingly do of course, but am I doing it with these threads on supposed Alien/Human made UFO's?

Remember what Thomas has said about where our best scientists have not been able to succeed? Just because the premise of my own inquiry in to the ARV was that it is real, and that it has very old origins, well that doesn't mean I'm either right, or that the whole was not a complex mind game. I have never forgotten what Carol Rosin has said that Werner von Braun told her about a fake alien invasion.

It's hard not to be a useful pawn when you're just one little old man and the others have half the GDP of the US at their disposal, and possibly a few other small addditionals as well.

Could it have been a hoax? Could my sighting not have been accidental but rather intentional? I have been writing about this stuff for a while now. If there is a project blue beam then I would be an especially good target to sell the technology too. In other words, my blabbing all over about seeing one of these supposed ships makes it all the more convincing to others who also see such flying triangular ships.

So I have to raise the point that what I saw, which appeared as real as the car in the front driveway, might not have been real, but rather a holographic projection of one kind or another. I don't have a smart phone, but I do have a big ass microwave tower directly across the street, s possibly some mass projection in a local area which maybe I just happened to see, maybe others saw but dismissed or paid no attention to? So I cannot dismiss this possibility.

We need to keep this in mind because right now there's no other way to explain the physics of what I saw. Only a projected image could have created the illusion of hovering, and then instant acceleration to the level I think I witnessed.

This brings me back to Puthoff and others whom have put out these technical papers which seem so scientific with all the mathematical proofs and theories behind them. Sounds good, looks good, but are they real? Was the ARV even real in the sense that it actually worked, for I have no doubt that the witness described what they saw accurately, but was that engineered as well. Could this all be a complex illusion with and end goal. We have to keep mind this possibility, as well as the idea that both may exist. Food for thought I had to pass on.


As a final word of caution; the Universe is very fond of playing games, and it especially relishes placing a dunce cap on my head at routine intervals. Any who venture in to this topic are also doing so at their own risk as well ~ just FYI.

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ok,
so I have detectors for the crap that is mind control
it is pretty clear that what we see in the sky can be controlled,
now think about the possible technology
if they can mess with your mind, can they get past gravity ?
I have messed with time, seen it for myself. still have the hardware to do it.
when hardware I tested is so very close to leaked data, makes me think it is likely true.
if there is any mind control, it is to get you to forget all this and move on.
 

Gambeir

Celestial
ok,
so I have detectors for the crap that is mind control
it is pretty clear that what we see in the sky can be controlled,
now think about the possible technology
if they can mess with your mind, can they get past gravity ?
I have messed with time, seen it for myself. still have the hardware to do it.
when hardware I tested is so very close to leaked data, makes me think it is likely true.
if there is any mind control, it is to get you to forget all this and move on.

As I say, things have a way of working out. It's actually thanks to "Beyond the Star Gate" that I came to form an alternative explanation which I believe may be a great threat to all of us but which is a topic that belongs in the Mind Control thread.

In some ways this is even more disturbing than the idea that there's a secret civilization setting itself up as the God Like Rulers of future generations of this planet, who have already established home bases in space, on the moon, and now probably on Mars if not much further and more distant reaches of space. Anyone whose ever had an Hallucination knows they are as real as the computer screen in front of your face. The implications of which are mind boggling if put in the context of a global system that could propagate mass Hallucinations. Remember they tell us things right, and the highly popular film "The Matrix" isn't about the world we live in now, it's about the world they intend to make under the guise of mass communication.

I can hardly wait to talk about the Obama firearms salesman of the century and the planned future Zombie Apolcalypse which history will record as a mass hallucination and the reason for planetary wide ban on weapons of all kinds, but I digress~


The Flying Tetrahedron I saw was not a hallucination, nor is the ARV, and I am quite sure about this because both can be explained in theory. Both are fundamentally using a similar principle, just as all aviation uses a general principle to obtain flight, so naturally one could expect that all such vehicles of a similar nature use principles which are related. The ARV is a WWII machine, and the other is a machine made possible by leaps in manufacturing and processing materials to create metamaterials, but both are operating on the same principle.

Even though I now think I understand this and can explain both in general terms, I'm still a dunce, because this should have been so obvious all along. However, I make the excuse that I didn't have the Mathias Magvid Device in hand and had I not moved to this forum, and had Mathias not come here as well and shared his own detective work than I don't think I would have put the puzzle together.

So the ARV is a real machine, and that by using the formative pretexts I originally developed to make an inquiry in to this illustration: That is is an old machine, that it probably dates from the mid to late 1950's, that it has it's origins in ideas and theories going as far back as the 1920's, that the German/Nazi Scientists probably succeeded in creating this machine and or later re~created here in the US. All these were solid foundations to form a working hypothesis on and to use in following the trail to unravel the ARV.

So right now I have to put together a couple illustrations and re~read two technical articles which relate to the general operating principles of these machines so that I can try to show how both are related to each other as well as the theory of how they operate. I'm not sure about the superluminal part, but~ * if I understand this correctly ~ then they are using the same principles which are thought necessary to create a worm hole for crossing the galaxy, and if this is correct then that would explain the observed phenomena that I myself witnessed. For the vehicle has to decouple from the local topology of surrounding space in order to produce the observed effects.
 
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Gambeir

Celestial
The Schauberger Repulsin

I believe that the repulsin also creates an electric BTV, just like
the MAGVID and the SEG. But how, when it spins air with the help of
two rilled ("grooved") diaphragms that share a common shaft and rotate together:

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Many claim that the repulsin's lift is solely based on aerodynamics,
but I think that's only part of the story. In Alexandersson's "Living
Water", he recounts — when the drive motor was turned on — that
several thick bolts broke off when it rose from the workbench to which
it was bolted, and crushed when it hit the ceiling.

Do you think aerodynamic principles alone could account for such a
powerful lift? I don't!

When the repulsin is started, air (which contains charged particles)
is sucked in through inlets at the top (s) and forcibly made to move
in a flat, centrifugal vortex flow by adhesion to the diaphragms' (B &
C) surfaces (cf. Tesla turbine) and the "roller coaster" rilles that
force the air to move up and down on its way towards the rim, and this
undulating motion is believed to add energy to the charged particles.
At the rim, the air is deflected downwards, and Schauberger's idea was
probably that this would cause useful lift.

But what happened, in my thinking, is that the air vortex moved so
many free charged particles that finally an electrical vortex system
was created, and from initially being an 1AIRO (or possibly an VAIAO)
vortex (from my vortex topology classification, see table 1 in my
Alien Expanse post (@ page 8) titled Alfred Wakeman and the Bipolar
Toroidal Vortex (BTV)
), it suddenly formed a fully fledged
electric BTV with the "standard" 2AIROCR topology used in FTL flying
saucer propulsion!

But how are the required (Lorentz force deflecting) magnetic fields
created? Well, we have:
  1. charged particles moving radially out totwards the rim, and
    following the right-hand rule, this would create an axial magnetic
    field.
  2. charged particles flowing from the rim up (and down [!]) towards
    the more positive center (where the shaft is), and that would
    create rotating and somewhat radially oriented magnetic fields!
And there we have the needed magnetic fields.

So, the repulsin is (IMHO) somewhat similar to the MAGVID and the SEG,
but it is much harder to use practically in a flying saucer:
  1. where would you place the crew's cabin?
  2. how would you start it in the vacuum of space, where there are no
    air to start it with?!
  3. and it's mechanical with bearings and stuff that wear out.
I think this might indicate that the nazis never built a working
flying saucer with Schauberger's technology. But, mind you, a good
friend of mine has actually come up with a design that might
make the repulsin more viable (sorry — can't disclose how he thinks),
so who knows???

/Mathias Båge

Just FYI ~ I'm looking back at the posts to integrate ideas and information. I am sure we have most all the parts to the puzzle, more or less, but I may be seeing a little confusion as a machine evolved with ideas that then resulted in modifications and or alternative designs, and so leaves a kind of puzzle where we now may have a puzzle which is complete but also includes some reject parts~ if you follow. So there's a bit of sorting to do and then some incorporation of additional ideas I believe.

To begin with one might hold this notion: If you cannot create something in the micro~scale, then you may create it in the macro and thereby still obtain a sampling of the possible. I believe that when viewing the ARV you're actually looking at such an example.

In other words, the theory was understood but the technology wasn't up to speed, so the work around was to create a giant scale version of what was thought to be taking place at a much smaller scale, and thereby hoped that this would translate to the macro scale well enough to provide a usable machine, which it did.

Now one thing is that I've read (somewhere's) is that at least one other person was suspicious of the Repulsin illustrations we have access to, and saying these are probably failed or early examples and that most probably others were carted off by the powers that be. I have seen one small image of what I presumed were the guts of another Repulsin which resembled Wakeman's twisted Bipolar Toroidal Votexs as illustrated on page 6. Alien Reproduction Vehicle

That image immediately made me think of a tornado, and just as with Mathias comments about the Repulsin, so too does a tornado have a lot more going on that aerodynamics and pressure fields.

Now in the above illustration of the Repulsin we have a motor which would be driving two wave plates in opposition. The motor is attached to one wave plate and the torque of the motor spins that plate one direction, and the shaft drives the opposite plate in the opposite direction. Laminar flow between the two plates connects the air molecules to the plates in opposing directions with a thin air gap being compressed between them.

This was probably and originally intended as an experimental jet motor design that would do away with compressor blades and which could be produced simply. However, such an arrangement may have produced something unexpected altogether, for again we have two high speed air currents coming in to collision with one another, results should be expected to produce an electron avalanche, and since there is a boundary layer connected to each wave plate a natural particle charge is assumed by the respective plates which are equally collecting the liberated electrons. These collected charges have assume opposite polarity due to a number of possible explanations, but which are not critical to explain and probably cannot be without physical testing, but which evidently and logically would be reasonable to expect. Thus two rotating plates each carrying opposite charges, which continue to grow, and so we now have an air charged capacitor in hand.

The high speed airflow is acting as a dielectric between the respective charge fields. You have a giant power driven capacitor in effect. Now the airborne lift off of the repulsin may depend on the motor itself and or the rotation or both in this case, but I'm speculating, however the upper hull would be collecting positive charge and the lower a negative charge. The central shaft may then become part of axial magnetic field with the vertical earth core bound shaft sending a negative stream of charged particles downwards, with an energized positive charged upper shell shedding positive charged electrons off the sides: Speculating here as to precisely what may happen after the electron avalanche, but it seems clear to me that the device would create an avalanche and being made of conductive material would naturally assume a charge, but since only the motor shaft is made of paramagnetic material it would naturally assume the role of a magnet, and as the charges continue to grow this magnet should then become increasingly energized. Taken in the spinning as a gyroscopic action then the whole would seem to be a possible flying metal ball.
 
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Gambeir

Celestial
I forgot to mention that it needs to be remembered that the dielectric medium is air, which must be considered by the volume moving through the wave plate, which then translates into an effective multiplication of dielectric permittivity.

Thus, permittivity is the measure of a material's ability to "resist" an electric field, and not to permit, as the name would seem to otherwise suggest, and so the resistance to electrical breakdown is increased by the measure of volume of free flowing air which is engine driven. Such an air driven capacitor is then a brilliant work around to the problem of dielectric breakdown of a static substances relative permittivity, which we already know from a charged quartz capacitor can produce some kind of evident drive in the positive field.

Undoubtedly this understanding (provided I've deduced this correctly and used all the right terminology) would almost certainly be linked to early engine driven forms of UFO's. This is something I've been trying to get a handle on for a while now, and that is to understand what is actually taking place in such machines for it's a certainty that the information we have been provided on machines like the Avro Car, the NS-97, Project 1794, and many more are undoubtedly highly doctored up illustrations/explanations which almost certainly would be missing the electrical connection.

PS: NS~97 may not just represent the initials of the evident creator, but may be representing an isotope, element, specific gravity, or other measure which was incorporated in to the designs name by means of some happy coincidence: Something more to notice possibly and maybe those more versed may see or notice something in that suggestion.
Berkelium - Wikipedia
Isotopes of silver - Wikipedia
Isotopes of silver range in atomic weight from 92.950 u ... ns: 97 Ag: 47: 50: ... Values marked # are not purely derived from experimental data, ...


Northrop NS-97 concept, was designed by Nick Stasinos in 1950.jpg
 
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nivek

As Above So Below
@spacecase0 @Mathias Båge

Maybe you can pick up some helpful info from these Puthoff's statements and documents how some of the UFOs UAPs work. Or just interesting reference for the thread. I copy and pasted a portion here only.

My amateur understanding of all this - general idea - advanced uniform metamaterials or crystals applied with very high frequency electromagnetic radiation terahertz frequencies to create craft masslessness - and whatever effects associated.

> So, I let out 38 contracts over a two-year period. I’ll show you what the studies were on. You can read them there: positron aerospace propulsion, IEC fusion as a compact energy source, warp drive, dark energy, extra dimensions, metallic glasses for aerospace use. Really cutting edge kinds of things.

>Here are some more of the papers that I commissioned: negative mass propulsion, antigravity for aerospace applications, programmable matter, invisibility cloaking – these are just the kind of things that we needed to have maximum technical input from the best people around the globe. And so, that’s what we did, that’s what I did.

THIS IS AN EXPLANATION OF RECOVERED MATERIALS FROM A UFO

> It was a multilayered bismuth and magnesium sample. Bismuth layers less than a human hair. Magnesium samples about ten-times the size of a human hair. Supposedly picked up in the crash retrieval of an Advanced Aerospace Vehicle. It looks like it’s been in a crash. The white lines are the bismuth; the darker areas are the magnesium separations. So the question was what about this material, so naturally we looked in all the national labs, we talked to metallurgists, we combed the entire structure of published papers. Nowhere could we find any evidence that anybody ever made one of these.

>Secondly, some attempts were made to try to reproduce this material, but they couldn’t get the bismuth and magnesium layers to bond.

>Thirdly, when we talked to people in the materials field who should know, they said we don’t know why anybody would want to make anything like this. It’s not obvious that it has any function.

>Well, years later, decades later actually, finally our own science moves along. We move into an area called metamaterials, and it turns out exactly this combination of materials at exactly those dimensions turn out to be an excellent microscopic waveguide for very high frequency electromagnetic radiation terahertz frequencies. So, the wavelength is 60 microns, which is a pretty small size. But it turns out because of the metamaterial aspect of this material, those bismuth layers that act as waveguides can be one twentieth the size of the wavelength, and usually when you make a waveguide it’s gotta be about the size of the wavelength. So, in fact this turned out to be a material that would propagate sub-wavelength waveguide effects. Why somebody wants to do that we still don’t know the answer to that.

THIS IS AN EXPLANATION OF RECOVERED MATERIALS FROM A UFO

> It was a multilayered bismuth and magnesium sample. Bismuth layers less than a human hair. Magnesium samples about ten-times the size of a human hair. Supposedly picked up in the crash retrieval of an Advanced Aerospace Vehicle. It looks like it’s been in a crash. The white lines are the bismuth; the darker areas are the magnesium separations. So the question was what about this material, so naturally we looked in all the national labs, we talked to metallurgists, we combed the entire structure of published papers. Nowhere could we find any evidence that anybody ever made one of these.

>Secondly, some attempts were made to try to reproduce this material, but they couldn’t get the bismuth and magnesium layers to bond.

>Thirdly, when we talked to people in the materials field who should know, they said we don’t know why anybody would want to make anything like this. It’s not obvious that it has any function.

>Well, years later, decades later actually, finally our own science moves along. We move into an area called metamaterials, and it turns out exactly this combination of materials at exactly those dimensions turn out to be an excellent microscopic waveguide for very high frequency electromagnetic radiation terahertz frequencies. So, the wavelength is 60 microns, which is a pretty small size. But it turns out because of the metamaterial aspect of this material, those bismuth layers that act as waveguides can be one twentieth the size of the wavelength, and usually when you make a waveguide it’s gotta be about the size of the wavelength. So, in fact this turned out to be a material that would propagate sub-wavelength waveguide effects. Why somebody wants to do that we still don’t know the answer to that.

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THIS IS AN EXPLANATION OF A FACTUAL AND SCIENTIFIC METHOD OF FASTER THAN LIGHT TRAVEL

>I’ll pick a second one here for the engineers or physicists in the crowd. Probably be more interesting – spacetime metric engineering. This happens to be the paper that I myself provided. One of the questions is: can the reported anomalous observables of these Advanced Aerospace Vehicles be accounted for on the basis of known physics? You hear people describing craft taking right angle turns at high speeds, other things with the hovering and rapid acceleration and so on, as if the craft didn’t have any inertial mass. Well, it turns out although Einstein’s general relativity is usually used in astrophysical applications and gravity studies and so on, you can look at it from an engineering standpoint. So, if you take an engineering approach to general relativity, what I just showed can be understood. If you could change the spacetime metric the way general relativity – I’m talking about textbook, not some fanciful physics – you could even get faster-than-light travel. Alcubierre warp drive as in Star Trek. Again, you might think that’s a fanciful kind of thing, but that paper was published in one of the top general relativity journals, Miguel Alcubierre, “The Warp Drive: Hyper-Fast Travel within General Relativity,” Classical and Quantum Gravity(11:L73-L77,1994). So, if you engineer spacetime metric, you can begin to line up observables with physics that we know and love even if we can’t reproduce it.

>What about the velocity of light constraint? People are always saying that. How could you have a wormhole that lets you go from one side of the universe to the other? Aren’t you beating the speed of light? What does the physicist and engineer mean by the speed of light? He means this little equation here where the speed of light is given by 1 over the square root of the permittivity times the permeability of the vacuum. So the point is if you reengineer those vacuum parameters, then you can make the effective speed of light higher in the engineered region. Those are the solutions in general relativity that are called wormholes, and again, it’s not science fiction. This is just right-off-the-shelf, standard text book general relativity applications.

>So, what that means is a reduced time interstellar travel is not as skeptics would say, “You can’t get from there to here.” Advanced ET civilizations now, or ourselves in the future are not fundamentally constrained by physical principals. The exotic physics for such can be addressed in engineering terms – some metric engineering as it were. Does this have any help? Again, by the way, this paper was also published as one of the Defense Intelligence Agency’s reference documents. And since we are permitted to publish in the open literature, I published that paper in a British interplanetary science journal, an engineering journal, so if you’re interested in looking at the details, you can learn as much as you want to know about metric engineering. (Advanced Space Propulsion Based on Vacuum (Spacetime Metirc) Engineering, H. Puthoff (2010), Journal of the British Interplanetary Society, 63, 82-89.)

That was a good read...Thanks...

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Gambeir

Celestial
Well so I'm beginning to conclude that the design of the late Mark Tomion shares some similarities with those of the Magvid or MMD as I prefer to call it and am posting these links for examination/discussion.

On the passing of Mark Tomion.
http://zpenergy.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=3120

Tomion's StarDrive
Mark Tomion -- Electrodynamic Field Generator
Archer Enterprises' official StarDrive Engineering home page
https://patentimages.storage.googleapis.com/90/98/4d/7e90afa549c27f/US6404089.pdf

Quote: Tomion's StarDrive

"The 'official' name of the StarDrive electronic dynamo, per the U.S. Patent and international PCT Application, is Electrodynamic Field Generator. The EDF Generator uses stationary permanent magnets and rotating field coils to produce a very-high DC primary voltage, and vacuum-tube constructs to electrostatically expand and control that voltage, for purposes of accelerating huge quantities of electrons to energy levels that are generally associated only with a particle accelerator. It's somewhat like an enormous glorified arc welder whose output is deliberately shorted to its own housing, and the DC voltage and current across emitter and collector sections of the hull are thermionically increased to values usually found only in lightning: but the current density is limited to a value which falls short of literally 'welding' the hull!"

iu

Image from~
www.zamandayolculuk.com
StarDrive Engineering / Cetin BAL-GSM:+90 05366063183-Turkey/Denizli
StarDrive Engineering-3 / Cetin BAL-GSM:+90 05366063183-Turkey/Denizli
StarDrive Generator / Cetin BAL-GSM:+90 05366063183-Turkey/Denizli
Laymans description of operation * Good.
StarDrive-5 / Cetin BAL-GSM:+90 05366063183-Turkey/Denizli
Stardrive-6  / Cetin BAL-GSM:+90 05366063183-Turkey/Denizli
Stardrive-7/CetinBAL-GSM:+90 05366063183-Turkey/Denizli
Stardrive-8
Stardrive-9

Quote from link. Tomion's StarDrive

"As depicted above, electrons in the electric field envelope (depicted in blue) reach an impact velocity at the central collector sections which is very nearly that of light, and applied magnetic fields allow modulation of the Drive Field current's properties. The Primary Arrays shown in the general schematic diagram below have control grids which allow a resistance imbalance to be imparted to the otherwise symmetrical Field current, so that they render the relativistic current impulse variably non-isometric: thus yielding thrust which is essentially reactionless! And the simple DC Primary Power System, like the early Faraday disk dynamo, is wholly rotor-based."
 

humanoidlord

ce3 researcher
Well so I'm beginning to conclude that the design of the late Mark Tomion shares some similarities with those of the Magvid or MMD as I prefer to call it and am posting these links for examination/discussion.

On the passing of Mark Tomion.
http://zpenergy.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=3120

Tomion's StarDrive
Mark Tomion -- Electrodynamic Field Generator
Archer Enterprises' official StarDrive Engineering home page
https://patentimages.storage.googleapis.com/90/98/4d/7e90afa549c27f/US6404089.pdf

Quote: Tomion's StarDrive

"The 'official' name of the StarDrive electronic dynamo, per the U.S. Patent and international PCT Application, is Electrodynamic Field Generator. The EDF Generator uses stationary permanent magnets and rotating field coils to produce a very-high DC primary voltage, and vacuum-tube constructs to electrostatically expand and control that voltage, for purposes of accelerating huge quantities of electrons to energy levels that are generally associated only with a particle accelerator. It's somewhat like an enormous glorified arc welder whose output is deliberately shorted to its own housing, and the DC voltage and current across emitter and collector sections of the hull are thermionically increased to values usually found only in lightning: but the current density is limited to a value which falls short of literally 'welding' the hull!"

iu

Image from~
www.zamandayolculuk.com
StarDrive Engineering / Cetin BAL-GSM:+90 05366063183-Turkey/Denizli
StarDrive Engineering-3 / Cetin BAL-GSM:+90 05366063183-Turkey/Denizli
StarDrive Generator / Cetin BAL-GSM:+90 05366063183-Turkey/Denizli
Laymans description of operation * Good.
StarDrive-5 / Cetin BAL-GSM:+90 05366063183-Turkey/Denizli
Stardrive-6 / Cetin BAL-GSM:+90 05366063183-Turkey/Denizli
Stardrive-7/CetinBAL-GSM:+90 05366063183-Turkey/Denizli
Stardrive-8
Stardrive-9

Quote from link. Tomion's StarDrive

"As depicted above, electrons in the electric field envelope (depicted in blue) reach an impact velocity at the central collector sections which is very nearly that of light, and applied magnetic fields allow modulation of the Drive Field current's properties. The Primary Arrays shown in the general schematic diagram below have control grids which allow a resistance imbalance to be imparted to the otherwise symmetrical Field current, so that they render the relativistic current impulse variably non-isometric: thus yielding thrust which is essentially reactionless! And the simple DC Primary Power System, like the early Faraday disk dynamo, is wholly rotor-based."
all these devices involve magnetism
 

Gambeir

Celestial
all these devices involve magnetism

I have yet to study the invention in any great detail humanoidlord. It involves magnetism as a part of it's design. The inventor and some others that examined the design have their ideas about how or what it could do. The main idea here is that the machine is cross correlated to the system which Mathias reverse engineered.

I have questions about whether or not such a machine can operate in space, as well as questioning what it might actually do, as opposed to what the inventor and others think it would do, and hopefully we can use this design to find the correlations and to investigate those doubts.
 

Black Angus

Honorable
Since we know they can beam words directly in to your skull, voice to skull technology, what about beaming images? What if that's possible? What if the idea behind all this wireless broadcasting is to accomplish mass mind control by both voice and visual images?

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Prior to the mid-21st century, there will be a virtual explosion of knowledge in the field of neuroscience. We will have achieved a clear understanding of how the human brain works, how it really controls the various functions of the body, and how it can be manipulated (both positively and negatively). One can envision the development of electromagnetic energy sources, the output of which can be,
  • pulsed, shaped, and focused
  • that can couple with the human body in a fashion that will allow one to prevent voluntary muscular movements
  • control emotions (and thus actions)
  • produce sleep
  • transmit suggestions
  • interfere with both short-term and long-term memory
  • produce an experience set
  • delete an experience set


US Air Force, New World Vistas: Air and Space Power for the 21st Century – Ancillary Volume, Scientific Advisory Board (USAF), Washington, DC, Document #19960618040, 1996, pp. 89-90. EPI402.

According to that document and current research the answer is yes..........

Today, scientists aim not to erase technically, at least at first, but to rewrite a memory in a manner that promotes, rather than impedes, mental health. But the potential is there. There are further implications.
Scientists discover how to implant false memories
 
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Gambeir

Celestial
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Prior to the mid-21st century, there will be a virtual explosion of knowledge in the field of neuroscience. We will have achieved a clear understanding of how the human brain works, how it really controls the various functions of the body, and how it can be manipulated (both positively and negatively). One can envision the development of electromagnetic energy sources, the output of which can be,
  • pulsed, shaped, and focused
  • that can couple with the human body in a fashion that will allow one to prevent voluntary muscular movements
  • control emotions (and thus actions)
  • produce sleep
  • transmit suggestions
  • interfere with both short-term and long-term memory
  • produce an experience set
  • delete an experience set


US Air Force, New World Vistas: Air and Space Power for the 21st Century – Ancillary Volume, Scientific Advisory Board (USAF), Washington, DC, Document #19960618040, 1996, pp. 89-90. EPI402.

According to that document and current research the answer is yes..........

Today, scientists aim not to erase technically, at least at first, but to rewrite a memory in a manner that promotes, rather than impedes, mental health. But the potential is there. There are further implications.
Scientists discover how to implant false memories

Wonderful topic Black Angus, but will you do this for me and post this over in this link on my Mind Control Thread.
I'd like to discuss it there with you and keep this thread focused on so called UFO technology. Here's the link to the mind control thread, and I do want to talk with you about this a bit more there because it's so related to that field.
Mind Control

Thanks.
 

spacecase0

earth human
so I have been trying to design the vertical magnetic field in the Magvid,
the entire idea of the Magvid is that you are putting yourself in the middle of a particle accelerator
not a safe thing to do.
so, the vertical magnetic field is there to keep the "electrons" in orbit,
a solenoid coil should have about an even magnetic field inside of it, and then it gets weaker as you get further from the coil.
the weaker the magnetic field the large the orbit in an accelerator
so, it is going to have a good tight orbit inside the coil (where the people are) and not so much outside the device where you would have the particles just leave. you need a magnetic field that gets stronger as you go further from the device to keep things in proper orbit..
so a solenoid will not really do what we want as well as likely frying the people.
there is one solution to the two issue.
you put a smaller solenoid coil inside the larger one that has the opposite polarity.
that way you have no or little magnetic field where the people are, so you don't get things accelerated through the people. (they would accelerate outward till they hit a stronger magnetic field. )
and you get a stronger magnetic field as you get further away from the device (at least in a narrow range, and that is all we need)
now looking at the ARV, you can see the large magnetic coil, and you would have the second coil wound somewhere on the central core.
and also might be a good idea to wear a magnetically and electrically conductive outfit (might even look like a silver jumpsuit)
 

Gambeir

Celestial
Thank you Spacecase & Mathias Bage. I can now say with complete confidence, that you two, myself, and John Iwaszko have successfully reverse engineered the McCandlish Illustration to a working hypotheses of operation.

This hypotheses of operation will explain how the machine operates in the atmosphere and in space. Further, I can now also make a hypotheses which explains how it is able to make right angle turns without injury to the crew or otherwise impeding physical motion: Thus removing the mystery of UFO's and bringing forward a realistic view of supposed phenomena down to a level of mechanical actions and reactions.

These explanations will be illustrated for general consumption. I will be bringing an illustration out so that we can refine the hypotheses of operation and to correct any errors in the drawing resulting from misunderstanding.

In my opinion Mark McCandlish is now fully validated 100%. His illustration validates his expertise as both a technical illustrator and as someone whom is far more knowledgeable than he himself has admitted, and I believe that our work does bear this statement out in full.
 
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... and also might be a good idea to wear a magnetically and electrically conductive outfit (might even look like a silver jumpsuit)
Yep! That's what I've always thought would be required for health reasons. And experiencers have reported that spaceship occupants often have silvery jumpsuits.
 

nivek

As Above So Below
Came across this image earlier today no information other than stating a secret program...

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