UFO videos

Standingstones

Celestial
It's completely wrong opinion. TPOTM doesn't create any of the footage in these videos. They just report on them and distribute all the available information. At least 80% of videos are fakes, but that is not TPOTM's fault and they are only a publisher.

Creation of 3D footage, particularly perfectly realistic, like this one, is extremely time consuming. Just two of them, two twin brothers, would have no time for anything else in their lives if they took upon themselves to create 3D videos.

In other words, clips shown on TPOTM channel have nothing to do with TPOTM. Existence of these clips is completely independent from TPOTM. If TPOTM published 99 fakes and 1 true UFO clip, they've done an commendable job of bringing UFOs closer to the full disclosure for the benefit of the general public.

In a shortest possible way, message is independant from messenger.
I disagree completely. Third Phase is showing those videos in order to get as many looks as is possible. I don’t care how time consuming it takes to make a video. A fake is a fake. Also, who wants to wade through 99 fake videos to possibly find 1 real video (if that is even possible.) Most people have better things to do with their time.
 

Dejan Corovic

As above, so bellow
I disagree completely. Third Phase is showing those videos in order to get as many looks as is possible.

Exactly! But their motive has no correlation to the quality of that 20% of good videos. When Peter cried wolf fourth time, there was a real wolf. And those who didn't believe to Peter, got eaten by that wolf ;-). Agreeing or disagreeing is not relevant, because physical reality is completely independent of personal opinion.

Instead on focusing on messenger, it's more important to focus on message and evaluate it's truthfulness by looking at the whole context.

As an aside, have you actually ever done any serious amount of CGI or digital imaging work?

I don’t care how time consuming it takes to make a video. A fake is a fake.

It is very unlikely that somebody will invest lots of time an money to make a fake, for which the only reward will be few laughs. The whole idea of hoax is to have a laugh on other peoples' expense. But joke would be on the hoaxer if he had spent whole month working on the hoax, and lost regular income because of that.

Also, who wants to wade through 99 fake videos to possibly find 1 real video (if that is even possible.) Most people have better things to do with their time.

You are only thinking as a passive observer who wants to be entertained. There are lots of people who are so keen on UFOs that they would devote all of their available time and even money in pursuit of the UFO research. A good quality UFO book, with thorough research and a couple of dozens of cases might take a whole year of meticulous work to complete.
 
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Standingstones

Celestial
Exactly! But their motive has no correlation to the quality of that 20% of good videos. When Peter cried wolf fourth time, there was a real wolf. And those who didn't believe to Peter, got eaten by that wolf ;-). Agreeing or disagreeing is not relevant, because physical reality is completely independent of personal opinion.

Instead on focusing on messenger, it's more important to focus on message and evaluate it's truthfulness by looking at the whole context.

As an aside, have you actually ever done any serious amount of CGI or digital imaging work?



It is very unlikely that somebody will invest lots of time an money to make a fake,eve for which the only reward will be few laughs. The whole idea of hoax is to have a laugh on other peoples' expense. But joke would be on the hoaxer if he had spent whole month working on the hoax, and lost regular income because of that.



You are only thinking as a passive observer who wants to be entertained. There are lots of people who are so keen on UFOs that they would devote all of their available time and even money in pursuit of the UFO research. A good quality UFO book, with thorough research and a couple of dozens of cases might take a whole year of meticulous work to complete.
I don’t believe you know me in the slightest. I don’t wished to be entertained by fakers. I believe we will need to agree to disagree and leave it at that.
 

humanoidlord

ce3 researcher
Re: Jerusalem video .... do you have any links to any kind of proof that this video is hoax?

Because it is such an important case and it would be so hard to fake. This is actually extremely hard to fake on CGI, because during the per-ascent flash there would be shadows thrown out by houses. That means that CGI guy would need to redraw in 3D whole area of the central Jerusalem around the Golden Dome, and than render it separately for the each of mobile phone angles. Just a lots of wasteful unpaid work for a very skillful guy/gall.
just google "jerusalem UFO hoax"
 

humanoidlord

ce3 researcher
UFO on SkyWatch 7


airplane, i saw a pretty much identical video made by a camera in that UFO volcano in mexico.
the speed is because, its a well a time lapse
UFO Videos - Carlos Diaz Footage

There was a big documentary about Carlos Diaz case. Some people said that it's fake because he was a photographer. He was just having regular camera equipment and even if he was a photographer, his means were very modest to pull off such a sophisticated UFO picture.

I am a photo amateur as well, and I can recognize the shake of his video as a shake of a camera mounted on a cheap tripod. I've seen shake like that dozens of times with my own cheap equipment ;-). Diaz simply put his video camera on tripod because it was already well past sunset and pretty dark



This footage has one additional credential, which is not immediately obvious. The appearance of the spacecraft is in compliance with "faster than light" warp-drive solution in General Relativity. When GR and Quantum Mechanics are combined, it is possible to create warp drive withing a skin of the craft by pumping the hull with electro-magnetic energy.

But, that is a longer story. So more about that at a some other time.

confirmed hoax:
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source: mexican UFO investigator santiago ytturia
That's low flying UFO, hugging the Earth. There are few vids like that, showing them going at a abnormal speeds, that the fastest military jets can't match.
Of course the weather person tossed this UFO off as possibly a drone, but she failed to mention whether she thought it was a terrestrial drone or an extraterrestrial one...:Alien:

Yes there are similar video captures of objects like this and they fly much too fast and in some cases their maneuverability is too incredible to be anything man-made...

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sorry guys just a plane
It's completely wrong opinion. TPOTM doesn't create any of the footage in these videos. They just report on them and distribute all the available information. At least 80% of videos are fakes, but that is not TPOTM's fault and they are only a publisher.

Creation of 3D footage, particularly perfectly realistic, like this one, is extremely time consuming. Just two of them, two twin brothers, would have no time for anything else in their lives if they took upon themselves to create 3D videos.

In other words, clips shown on TPOTM channel have nothing to do with TPOTM. Existence of these clips is completely independent from TPOTM. If TPOTM published 99 fakes and 1 true UFO clip, they've done an commendable job of bringing UFOs closer to the full disclosure for the benefit of the general public.

In a shortest possible way, message is independant from messenger.
the cousin brothers have been in the CGI business in a good while and they have proved in the past that they can make some pretty realistic hoaxes
 

humanoidlord

ce3 researcher
Exactly! But their motive has no correlation to the quality of that 20% of good videos. When Peter cried wolf fourth time, there was a real wolf. And those who didn't believe to Peter, got eaten by that wolf ;-). Agreeing or disagreeing is not relevant, because physical reality is completely independent of personal opinion.

Instead on focusing on messenger, it's more important to focus on message and evaluate it's truthfulness by looking at the whole context.

As an aside, have you actually ever done any serious amount of CGI or digital imaging work?
these guys are pretty clever, i have heard in the past they use custom built drones in some of their hoaxes too
 

Dejan Corovic

As above, so bellow
just google "jerusalem UFO hoax"

Yeah, I read one debunking analysis. It's just his point of view, nothing more. He picks things he wants to see.

For starters, the spineless armchair philosopher is making a mockery of something that can seriously affect life of the witness. UFO witnesses can expect general ridicule in their community, being passed by promotions at work and even being fired as unreliable. There were cases where children of UFO witnesses had been harassed at school by other children. There were cases where rotten vegetables were thrown at witness in public in broad daylight and derogatory words shouted at them.

It is highly regrettable that spineless guy is able to make living by humiliating and dwarfing perfectly honest people.

90% of UFO cases don't get reported exactly for fear of ridicule not just of the witness, but of his/her whole family. I met 4-5 people on UFO forums that had personally seen UFOs, but they never reported them. They are making absolutely no fuss about it, they are just curious to understand what had happened. Are they all than fakes?

Second, as for the reflection of the UFO's light on the Dome of The Rock, that was a very good one. I have full respect for that one. But weather reflection was there or not can only be done if both before and after photos were available and compared. One can not tell which reflection belongs to which light source, until one light source was removed. Otherwise, reflection would be there, just the armchair philosopher pretended not to see it.

Third, as for video editing possibility, it's completely laughable. Why on Earth would one need expensive and sophisticated software to shake a video footage? Just take out your mobile, turn on the recording and shake it and you'll get 'shaken' footage for free. Most footage taken by hand held mobile cams is already shaken. Basically, that guy is seeing unicorns every-way he looks. It's just proof that he is not a serious researcher, but that he's pushing an agenda.

Third, possibility of the hoax is not a proof of hoax, as a general case is not proof that in a particular case had happened. Proof of the hoax is that hoaxer was caught preparing or performing the hoax. If one bald man robs the bank, it doesn't mean that all bald men are bank robbers ;-). All these 'I can fake it' videos more show that that guy who's so quick to find the way to fake it, is good at misleading people and maybe does it for living, so he is most probably untrustworthy.

That painted vessel is, in Diaz case, is not a proof that Diaz did the same. Additionally, Diaz's UFO shoots a beam of solid white light, that can not be replicated by any technology on Earth. Such, beams of solid light were mentioned in Benwaters case, Coyne helicopter case etc.
 
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humanoidlord

ce3 researcher
Yeah, I read one debunking analysis. It's just his point of view, nothing more. He picks things he wants to see.

For starters, the spineless armchair philosopher is making a mockery of something that can seriously affect life of the witness. UFO witnesses can expect general ridicule in their community, being passed by promotions at work and even being fired as unreliable. There were cases where children of UFO witnesses had been harassed at school by other children. There were cases where rotten vegetables were thrown at witness in public in broad daylight and derogatory words shouted at them.

It is highly regrettable that spineless guy is able to make living by humiliating and dwarfing perfectly honest people.

90% of UFO cases don't get reported exactly for fear of ridicule not just of the witness, but of his/her whole family. I met 4-5 people on UFO forums that had personally seen UFOs, but they never reported them. They are making absolutely no fuss about it, they are just curious to understand what had happened. Are they all than fakes?

Second, as for the reflection of the UFO's light on the Dome of The Rock, that was a very good one. I have full respect for that one. But weather reflection was there or not can only be done if both before and after photos were available and compared. One can not tell which reflection belongs to which light source, until one light source was removed. Otherwise, reflection would be there, just the armchair philosopher pretended not to see it.

Third, as for video editing possibility, it's completely laughable. Why on Earth would one need expensive and sophisticated software to shake a video footage? Just take out your mobile, turn on the recording and shake it and you'll get 'shaken' footage for free. Most footage taken by hand held mobile cams is already shaken. Basically, that guy is seeing unicorns every-way he looks. It's just proof that he is not a serious researcher, but that he's pushing an agenda.

Third, possibility of the hoax is not a proof of hoax, as a general case is not proof that in a particular case had happened. Proof of the hoax is that hoaxer was caught preparing or performing the hoax. If one bald man robs the bank, it doesn't mean that all bald men are bank robbers ;-). All these 'I can fake it' videos more show that that guy who's so quick to find the way to fake it, is good at misleading people and maybe does it for living, so he is most probably untrustworthy.

That painted vessel is, in Diaz case, is not a proof that Diaz did the same. Additionally, Diaz's UFO shoots a beam of solid white light, that can not be replicated by any technology on Earth. Such, beams of solid light were mentioned in Benwaters case, Coyne helicopter case etc.
jerusalem UFO: there isn't only one debunk, look at youtube there are better debunks there
diaz: those are painted lamps made by a factory located near diaz home, the owners confirmed diaz ordered some from them, as for the bean, well he was a pro photographer, he certainly could do some tricks
 

nivek

As Above So Below
jerusalem UFO: there isn't only one debunk, look at youtube there are better debunks there
diaz: those are painted lamps made by a factory located near diaz home, the owners confirmed diaz ordered some from them, as for the bean, well he was a pro photographer, he certainly could do some tricks

Links !...You can't expect someone to go fishing around for a video you want to be seen, post it yourself...

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1963

Noble
very interesting, i have heard that it was venus, but i am unable to confirm or deny that

You are quite right Nivek. :Thumbsup: ... This is one of those old 'good looking' [nay... great looking!] flying saucer videos that initially has you all worked up thinking that nobody can still deny that there is proof of actual metallic flying saucers buzzing around our atmosphere. But then with a little added digging around you find that you're quickly dragged back down to Earth , because as you say.... the most likely identity for this splendid 'flying saucer' is in fact "The Queen Of UFO's" [a term that Phil Klass wittily came up with, and then thought that it was such a witty catch phrase that he erroneously used it in 99% of all ET/Ufologically Related cases!] ...

Subject: Messengers Datum: 11-28-93 Area: Mufon_Public From The Lone Star (TX) MUFON Repor

Still a "great looking" video though.... pity it's not the smoking gun though ! :(

Cheers Buddy.
 

humanoidlord

ce3 researcher
You are quite right Nivek. :Thumbsup: ... This is one of those old 'good looking' [nay... great looking!] flying saucer videos that initially has you all worked up thinking that nobody can still deny that there is proof of actual metallic flying saucers buzzing around our atmosphere. But then with a little added digging around you find that you're quickly dragged back down to Earth , because as you say.... the most likely identity for this splendid 'flying saucer' is in fact "The Queen Of UFO's" [a term that Phil Klass wittily came up with, and then thought that it was such a witty catch phrase that he erroneously used it in 99% of all ET/Ufologically Related cases!] ...

Subject: Messengers Datum: 11-28-93 Area: Mufon_Public From The Lone Star (TX) MUFON Repor

Still a "great looking" video though.... pity it's not the smoking gun though ! :(

Cheers Buddy.
thanks! well that debunks it
 

michael59

Celestial
anyway to stay on topic, here is an rare daylight high definition video of an ufo taken in 2008 in alvin texas by mauricio ruiz:

as far as i know, its the only clear video of an "solid" ufo



The music is so dramatic. lol

The cameraman did an excellent job!
 

michael59

Celestial
you could have told them that real MIBs are pale and have weird teleporting abilities

Not always. I had one experience where I was followed by MIB for over 48 hours. He looked perfectly normal with the exception being that his wig was from the early 70's and so were his clothing.
 

michael59

Celestial
Several videos of UFOs are assessed here (Warning: Explicit language used in the commentary)



1st video: Spherical object over terrain making highly unusual movements.

2nd video from Australia: "If this is a bird.. it's one big f**king bird... I think we may have found a Pterodactyl."

Homeland security UFO: Taken in Puerto Rico partially shown here. The full version shows this object appear to break up into 2 pieces and submerge into the ocean surface. "Some people say this is a balloon.. Balloon my ass."

Dripping liquid UFO (starting at 3:50): Of particular note is one appearing to drip something. "Some people say this is a Chinese lantern, but I've never seen one drip anything.. how much wax can it have?!"


This is a great video, Zeke. Thanks for sharing. :)

I can't understand why, in this day and age, that anyone would be offended by "explicit" language, dude. lol
 

michael59

Celestial
The "man who sees UFOs" has some crazy sightings. There's no way around it - the guy is eccentric AF. However, let that not be the reason to dismiss him.

One key method to attract them is using specific tones, this goes in line with Dr. Steven Greer's contact protocols. These sightings also seem similar in nature to Greer's "Two Ships" video. Dr Wu and others argue it's an accomplice of his on a boat shooting flares. Looks like he's been recruited by Christos too!

A large fiery looking orb is shown in this video.



Here in a much darker video, Christos says it's a helicopter that comes up to investigate the orb. According to him, "juveniles" (smaller orbs) network to create formations and play with the helicopter.



Regarding the first video... I have pretty bad eyesight but I could see little sparkles around it. At first I thought they were stars but they move too quickly back and forth to be stars.

In the second video... I can hear the guy clicking his light source. The orbs or whatever they are called, definitely mimic the sound.
 
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