Political Ideologies

nivek

As Above So Below
In recent times, perhaps in the past as well, political ideologies have been offering many a supposed route to 'real' happiness, this is not the purpose...Political ideologies, no matter their roots, rely on for their drive and energy the concept of enemies, external or internal and these ideologies often promise to spare their followers the challenge of confrontation with that supposed enemy...

Political ideologies can even go as far as promote anti-government or anti-religion to achieve its agenda, the followers calling themselves free thinkers or even victims, suffering at the hands of the government or religion their ideology targets...Free thinkers do not start off as explicitly anti-religious or anti anything but once an ideology creeps in, without being aware, they are no longer free in their thinking...

Logic and Reason may claim authority of science, Faith and Hope may claim authority of religion, what lays claim to politics?...Is political ideology nothing more than a conspiracy driven train, that uses the situations of people to make manifest its agenda or idea?...If so then what of the many unexamined assumptions that are sometimes called optimism?...
 

dr wu

Noble
I think we need an agreed upon definition of 'political ideology' before we can explore it.
 

SOUL-DRIFTER

Life Long Researcher
In social studies, a political ideology is a certain set of ethical ideals, principles, doctrines, myths or symbols of a social movement, institution, class or large group that explains how society should work, and offers some political and cultural blueprint for a certain social order. A political ideology largely concerns itself with how to allocate power and to what ends it should be used. Some parties follow a certain ideology very closely, while others may take broad inspiration from a group of related ideologies without specifically embracing any one of them.

List of political ideologies - Wikipedia

Definition of IDEOLOGY

Ideologies extend into many things.
 

dr wu

Noble
Thanks for the definitions......still not sure what nivek's point is based on his post above.
Is he 'warning' us about the down side of political ideologies or what...?
 

SOUL-DRIFTER

Life Long Researcher
I assume so and also the loudest metaphorically, the far left or the Liberals which are what Antifa and others like them support or basically are.
 

nivek

As Above So Below
Is he 'warning' us about the down side of political ideologies or what...?

A touch of that yes, politics have been more and more radically driven, shock and awe type presentations and protests, a mob mentality which is inherent for a democracy, people seem to forget or ignore that the US is not a democracy, it's a Republic with a government and laws protecting the people from big government...

The ideology of some political parties, or branches of those parties are becoming dangerously radical, is there an agenda behind this?...A conspiracy?...What is driving these increasingly radical ideologies?...
 

dr wu

Noble
We have a democratic republic....let's get that on the table first. We do use democracy but in a representative manner.
Within that system you are going to have some extremes......can't be helped. But imho both extremes are equally dangerous. The problem is that the right thinks the left is worse and the left thinks the right is worse.
And in the meantime those in the middle aren't heard at all.....because they are moderates.

Sorry I have to be offline for a while , family stuff......won't be back until tomorrow morning.
 

nivek

As Above So Below
We have a democratic republic....let's get that on the table first. We do use democracy but in a representative manner.

Well let's set the table properly then, our laws, the Constitution is written for a Republic governance, the Founding Fathers, the writers of our laws did not create a democracy in any way shape or form...Any contamination of democracy into the nation's laws was added over time and perhaps is part of the problem of an ineffective government...We are a Republic, Our Laws say that, even our national anthem says that...

Within that system you are going to have some extremes......can't be helped. But imho both extremes are equally dangerous. The problem is that the right thinks the left is worse and the left thinks the right is worse.
And in the meantime those in the middle aren't heard at all.....because they are moderates.

The extremes most likely came about because there is only a two party system, mobs rules, this is what happens when democracy gets infused and mucks things up...The uneducated resort to violence because one mob wants a protest, the hate overflowing across the internet from both sides, one mob against the other...Like street gangs, these are political gangs but they have a big influence over religious and social values and this makes them both dangerous to modern society...Politics are holding too many cards, much more than its supposed to...

Sorry I have to be offline for a while , family stuff......won't be back until tomorrow morning.

Enjoy, I work in the morning but will be around...:)
 

dr wu

Noble
Well let's set the table properly then, our laws, the Constitution is written for a Republic governance, the Founding Fathers, the writers of our laws did not create a democracy in any way shape or form...Any contamination of democracy into the nation's laws was added over time and perhaps is part of the problem of an ineffective government...We are a Republic, Our Laws say that, even our national anthem says that...



The extremes most likely came about because there is only a two party system, mobs rules, this is what happens when democracy gets infused and mucks things up...The uneducated resort to violence because one mob wants a protest, the hate overflowing across the internet from both sides, one mob against the other...Like street gangs, these are political gangs but they have a big influence over religious and social values and this makes them both dangerous to modern society...Politics are holding too many cards, much more than its supposed to...



Enjoy, I work in the morning but will be around...:)
I have to disagree, it is indeed a democracy using the vote to create a Republic where the people are represented. If not then we wouldn't be allowed to vote at all in a non democracy...so you are sorely missing that major point imho.
So,,,yes it is a democracy in the way we elect our representatives for the 'Republic' and I don't think any political expert would not agree with that.
And we don't have any 'mob rule' anywhere in the country...that's a misnomer imho. True mob rule would be no elected reps just the will of the people. Again the people vote democratically to elect our reps who are supposed to represent what the people want.....that doesn't always work out.
 

SOUL-DRIFTER

Life Long Researcher
I certainly doesn't work out when your own party will not support the very issues.
I seriously disagree that the left and right are equally radical.
Name one conservative or republican group that goes out to rally's with clubs and the intent to start a riot.
Antifa is solid left and there are others like them.
The mainstream media is solidly left and seem to have a hard time telling the truth or the whole truth if any truth at all when it comes to anything involving politics or the law.
It is widely know and accepted around here.
 

nivek

As Above So Below
I have to disagree, it is indeed a democracy using the vote to create a Republic where the people are represented. If not then we wouldn't be allowed to vote at all in a non democracy...so you are sorely missing that major point imho.

If our voting system is democratic the majority vote would win, mob rules, our voting system has an electoral college, a Republic style voting system, not as a Democracy at all...
 

dr wu

Noble
If our voting system is democratic the majority vote would win, mob rules, our voting system has an electoral college, a Republic style voting system, not as a Democracy at all...
You are still missing the point that the electoral college is also representative but the people vote democratically..I';m sorry but that's the facts. Again no democracy would mean no one would vote at all and it would be either a dictatorship or something similar.Please find something online to support the notion there is no democracy involved....or anyone that agrees with your interpretation...I'll wait. ;)
 

dr wu

Noble
I certainly doesn't work out when your own party will not support the very issues.
I seriously disagree that the left and right are equally radical.
Name one conservative or republican group that goes out to rally's with clubs and the intent to start a riot.
Antifa is solid left and there are others like them.
The mainstream media is solidly left and seem to have a hard time telling the truth or the whole truth if any truth at all when it comes to anything involving politics or the law.
It is widely know and accepted around here.

I believe you are biased just like you claim the left are....btw where is around here..?
 

dr wu

Noble
I do believe Dr Wu is correct.
I have heard Mark Levine say it also I believe.
Our system is considered a Democratic Republc.
Here is an informative link about it.

Is the United States of America a republic or a democracy?
Of course I'm right.....I am never wrong.

;)
Is the United States of America a republic or a democracy?
The United States of America is a Democracy - Fact or Myth?
There are many links like this...the bottom line is that we are a democratic republic....both aspects being in play.
And on the local and state levels it is a pure democracy....the number of votes tell the tale in all local elections for elected officials.
 
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nivek

As Above So Below
Republic, form of government in which a state is ruled by representatives of the citizenbody. Modern republics are founded on the idea that sovereignty rests with the people, though who is included and excluded from the category of the people has varied across history. Because citizens do not govern the state themselves but through representatives, republics may be distinguished from direct democracy, though modern representative democracies are by and large republics. The term republic may also be applied to any form of government in which the head of state is not a hereditary monarch.

republic | government
 

nivek

As Above So Below
Perhaps we should better define what a democracy is...:Thumbsdown:

((cough)) mob rules ((cough)) :Whistle:
 

AlienView

Noble
Logic and Reason may claim authority of science, Faith and Hope may claim authority of religion, what lays claim to politics?...Is political ideology nothing more than a conspiracy driven train, that uses the situations of people to make manifest its agenda or idea?...If so then what of the many unexamined assumptions that are sometimes called optimism?...

As usual the 19th Century philosopher
Friedrich Nietzsche pulls no punches and shows the truth:

".......
Suppose, finally, we succeeded in explaining our entire instinctive life as the development and ramification of one basic form of the will--namely, of the will to power, as my proposition has it... then one would have gained the right to determine all efficient force univocally as--will to power. The world viewed from inside... it would be "will to power" and nothing else."

from Beyond Good and Evil, s.36, Walter Kaufmann transl.

"
My idea is that every specific body strives to become master over all space and to extend its force (--its will to power:) and to thrust back all that resists its extension. But it continually encounters similar efforts on the part of other bodies and ends by coming to an arrangement ("union") with those of them that are sufficiently related to it: thus they then conspire together for power. And the process goes on--"

from The Will to Power, s.636, Walter Kaufmann transl.

And:


"
[Anything which] is a living and not a dying body... will have to be an incarnate will to power, it will strive to grow, spread, seize, become predominant - not from any morality or immorality but because it is living and because life simply is will to power... 'Exploitation'... belongs to the essence of what lives, as a basic organic function; it is a consequence of the will to power, which is after all the will to life."

from Nietzsche's Beyond Good and Evil, s.259, Walter Kaufmann transl.


PS: I'm not saying I necessarily like Nietzsche's view of life, politics, and power - Just saying it is probably
true whether we like it or not - And would explain, but not justify, all of history.




 
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