Alien Abductions Question

I think that they're real, but not in the sense of space aliens taking humans for experiments or collecting our sperm/ova for use in their hybridization program. The influence might be physically real, but the visuals are mostly psychic (as in Karla Turner's books) or they might be something altogether stranger, connected to IDH and/or our subconsciousness (John Mack).

Also, here's some food for your thought from a culture that wasn't that much exposed to the outside influence: in soviet/russian ufology (if you can call it "*logy" - it was mostly just gathering of the stories with no further investigation or pseudoscientific investigations using "biolocation" -i.e. dowsing) there were no "abduction scenario" and no grey alien archetype till the 90s when the floodgates of information were open. Most stories resemble USA contactee stories of the 1950s, where people are usually invited onboard rather than taken against their will. There's much more investigative tone to the visitors though in contrast to the benevolent brothers/teachers of the contactees. And the beings look human (including but not limited blond-haired "nordics"), human-looking robots or just robots (as in the one of the 2 cases famous outside of the USSR - Voronezh UFO). There are some stories that include reproduction or mating themes, but they are not the majority. I don't know what that means - maybe, as Jaque Vallee notes in one of his book, the phenomenon reflects local cultural frames of reference, or maybe different regions are really owned by different entities - black-haired dwarves (ihkals) of south america come to mind which are not present elsewhere.

For what it's worth, my wife had a dream (which is documented in her dream diary about 7 years ago) about small beings (not greys, just faceless little people) doing something to her on a table, and her later giving a birth to a tiny faceless baby. This was 5 years before I started taking greater interest in American ufology and learning about the themes in abduction literature (actually that's how it came up: she remembered this dream after I retolled her the main concepts of Hopkins/Jacobs' books - and we later found it in the diary). For me, this just further proves that the phenomenon is more psychic/non-physical, but Hopkins/Jacobs proponents would probably call it a screen-memory.

Abaris said:

I think that they're real, but not in the sense of space aliens taking humans for experiments or collecting our sperm/ova for use in their hybridization program. The influence might be physically real, but the visuals are mostly psychic (as in Karla Turner's books) or they might be something altogether stranger, connected to IDH and/or our subconsciousness (John Mack).

Also, here's some food for your thought from a culture that wasn't that much exposed to the outside influence: in soviet/russian ufology (if you can call it "*logy" - it was mostly just gathering of the stories with no further investigation or pseudoscientific investigations using "biolocation" -i.e. dowsing) there were no "abduction scenario" and no grey alien archetype till the 90s when the floodgates of information were open. Most stories resemble USA contactee stories of the 1950s, where people are usually invited onboard rather than taken against their will. There's much more investigative tone to the visitors though in contrast to the benevolent brothers/teachers of the contactees. And the beings look human (including but not limited blond-haired "nordics"), human-looking robots or just robots (as in the one of the 2 cases famous outside of the USSR - Voronezh UFO). There are some stories that include reproduction or mating themes, but they are not the majority. I don't know what that means - maybe, as Jaque Vallee notes in one of his book, the phenomenon reflects local cultural frames of reference, or maybe different regions are really owned by different entities - black-haired dwarves (ihkals) of south america come to mind which are not present elsewhere.

For what it's worth, my wife had a dream (which is documented in her dream diary about 7 years ago) about small beings (not greys, just faceless little people) doing something to her on a table, and her later giving a birth to a tiny faceless baby. This was 5 years before I started taking greater interest in American ufology and learning about the themes in abduction literature (actually that's how it came up: she remembered this dream after I retolled her the main concepts of Hopkins/Jacobs' books - and we later found it in the diary). For me, this just further proves that the phenomenon is more psychic/non-physical, but Hopkins/Jacobs proponents would probably call it a screen-memory.

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michael59 said:

That's a big question. We are talking about 55 years of seeing all kinds of them. I'd say I have seen probably over a dozen different species. As a matter of fact, the one I saw and spoke to 3 months ago was one I had never seen before.

He was young, late teens early twenties, very timid and soft spoken. I don't know if he's that way with everyone but he was probably warned not to piss me off. He was really skinny and hairless, with pink skin. His skin looked like it was sun burnt. It made his teeth and the whites of his eyes very prominent almost as if he was under a black light. I don't know how tall he was because he was crouching down. He was washing me. I"m assuming that's why he was only wearing what looked like tighty whities underwear?

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Was there ever a tall one, dark complexion wore a gown or cape and covered it's body, long arms, large head, and heavy breathing?...

Another type too, a bit shorter but also in a gown or cape covering it's body, long neck and beak, made clicking sounds, telepathic?...

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nivek said:

Was there ever a tall one, dark complexion wore a gown or cape and covered it's body, long arms, large head, and heavy breathing?...

Another type too, a bit shorter but also in a gown or cape covering it's body, long neck and beak, made clicking sounds, telepathic?...

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I'm not very good at picturing other peoples descriptions of things in my mind. I know what you mean about the cape/gown. It reminds me of a choir robe and a lot of them wear them. I do recall clicking sounds and most are telepathic or at least have that capability. The only heavy breathing I can recall was from that Big Foot creature. Large heads are in abundance as well, but I don't recall ever seeing one with a beak.

Are you any good at drawing? I'm terrible at it but, if you could post a facsimile I could probably be more helpful.

I voted for intelligence operatives doing many of the abductions. Honestly, I don’t have any evidence that this is the case but I have a strong hunch this may be the reason. What better way than for intelligence operatives to cover up their doings by claiming that a person may be unstable by saying alien abduction if the victim comes forward. Especially considering the current climate on such claims.

I’ve heard several abductees make this claim. Although I don’t have the links at me fingertips, I’ll have to do some digging.

I’m not discounting all abduction claims. I’m just saying this may account for a number of them.

bill.zen said:

I’ve heard several abductees make this claim. Although I don’t have the links at me fingertips, I’ll have to do some digging.

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There's an excellent book on this subject that I've been meaning to read for awhile. Unfortunately, it's rather expensive.

I think it's undeniable that some of the adbuctions are military/mkultra-like activities, but I doubt it's the sole reason for the phenomena, especially since the accounts date back to biblical times.

Abaris said:

There's an excellent book on this subject that I've been meaning to read for awhile. Unfortunately, it's rather expensive.

I think it's undeniable that some of the adbuctions are military/mkultra-like activities, but I doubt it's the sole reason for the phenomena, especially since the accounts date back to biblical times.

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Absolutely, and I agree with you. The uninformed tend to think that alien abduction is a relatively modern phenomenon. But when you dig deeper you find scores of cases from ancient times. The Bible itself is an excellent source of abduction cases.

wwkirk said:

I'm inclined to accept that a small number of abductions are real. They may be done by extraterrestrials, or possibly by military/intelligence operatives. Abductions that I tend to accept are Boas, Betty and Barney Hill, Travis Walton, and maybe the Linda Cortile abduction because of the witnessing by United Nations statesman, Javier Perez de Cuellar.

But proponents of alien abductions don't consider it a rare occurrence. They seem to believe that hundreds or thousands of people have been abducted over the years.

What do you think? First of all, do you believe any abductions are real? Or do you chalk the phenomenon up to sleep paralysis? Alternatively, you may accept that some abductions may be real, but that they are rare.

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Before my first abduction at the age of four, I can recall when I was even younger, maybe 3 years old? I would wake up because I could hear this high pitched humming noise. There would be this pin light, red in color like a laser beam that would slowly move down the wall in our bedroom. Then something dark and furry would appear at the end of the mattress and just sit there. My brother, who is a year older, shared the bed with me. There was another brother in the room but, he was younger and was sleeping in a crib. I was scared of my mom and my brother was definitely her favorite so, when it happened, I elbowed my brother awake and he screamed for my mom.

When she entered the room and turned on the light, there was nothing there. She was convinced that it was the cat and that our yelling scared it away before she got there. We knew it was not the cat. I can remember that happening about three times over the course of a month.

I asked him if he remembered that when we were in our early 40's. All he would say was, "There was something there, Michael and it wasn't the cat." The way he said it made me crack up laughing. His voice became really deep and his face got a really serious look on it. I don't think he remembered that I was the one who elbowed him awake. lol But, that's all he would say. He refused to talk about it any further I think he was offended by my laughter. I don't think we were taken at that time.

That was in 1962. My mom was only 23 years old and my father abandoned us shortly after the youngest was born. We lived on welfare and to top it off my mom was an alcoholic and a smoker so you can guess where most of the money was spent. The world was pretty harsh for single mothers in the 60's and we never had rent money so we moved around a lot. I mean a lot! They were usually late night moves so that the landlord didn't catch us for non payment of rent.

Everywhere we lived, weird stuff happened. I even remember the three of us kids having a discussion about it when I was around 9 years old. We thought we were haunted by ghosts. As a matter of fact, right up until my early 30's, it was still happening to me and I thought it was ghosts.

Then one day I was sitting on the couch flipping threw a copy of Omni magazine. I started reading the article about Linda Cortile. There were a lot of witnesses to that abduction. The one that witness that completely changed my life forever was one of those people....

She was a middle aged woman and she described the creatures she saw in the beam of light as looking like rickets strickened children. That was as far as I got....It triggered my memory and the memories just wouldn't stop coming until I was all the way back in that bedroom when I was 3 years old.

Woman claims to have proof that she was abducted by aliens

Sheera Lumira Rejoice, who goes by the handle @sheerarejoice on the popular clip-sharing platform, not only claims that she has been abducted by extraterrestrial visitors but that she also has proof of this in the form of scarring from the medical procedures that they performed on her.

Her experiences began around three years ago when, while attempting to sleep on her sofa, she recalls becoming paralyzed and encountering a mysterious visitor in her home.

"I was freezing and my body couldn't move," she said. "I looked over at the door and it opened, there's a figure, a holographic-looking human figure. This guy told me 'you have three hybrid babies, you have three of your eggs taken'."

"I initially had no idea of this until I met this man and my intuition trusted him."

"I became sober from every stimuli you can think of - drinking, smoking, taking caffeine. I started going out into nature a lot more, healing myself and my body. I ended up changing my entire name because of how drastic this change was for me due to this experience."

As for evidence - Sheera maintains that an ultrasound scan will reveal ovarian scarring from where the aliens removed her eggs.

"You can believe me, or you don't have to, just know that not everybody lives in a scientific reality and some folks live in a very spiritual way and some experiences really do change peoples' lives," she said.

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In 1994, Harvard Professor Dr. John Mack was studying cases were Humans were reporting encounters with ET beings who were abducting them. Approx. 2 months after going public he met with 60 Children in Zimbabwe who claimed to have interacted with the exact same beings shattering his worldview.


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