The Allagash Alien Abduction.

humanoidlord

ce3 researcher
Here's what Chuck Rak says (one of the 4 men "abducted")

“The reason I supported the story at first was because I wanted to make money,” he said.

Rak, along with Charlie Foltz, and twin brothers Jack and Jim Weiner, all students at the Massachusetts College of Art and Design, embarked on a vacation canoeing the Allagash Wilderness Waterway during the summer of 1976; however, Rak’s input has been notably absent in recent years from news stories and documentaries pertaining to the Allagash Abductions.

According to Rak on Wednesday, the group did witness an unidentified flying object during their canoe trip, both on the night of the alleged abductions, and two nights before on Chamberlain Lake. “Oh yes, I saw the craft,” Rak said.

He said the most vivid sighting occurred as the men were night fishing on Big Eagle Lake. “I had an uncomfortable feeling of being stared at. I turned around and saw this very, very bright globe of light in the sky,” he said. Rak described the lights as “changing color from white to red to green in a liquid kind of melding motion.”

Rak said the group reported the bizarre experience the next day to a ranger on duty in the area, who Rak said quickly dismissed the sighting, attributing the lights as coming from a grand opening at a hardware store in the town of Millinocket.

“He said what we saw was these guys operating a search light in back of a pick-up,” Rak said. “There was no way this could have been any hardware store grand opening at 9 o’clock at night coming from 75 miles away.”

According to Rak, the men continued with their trip, and did not discuss the possibility of having been abducted by aliens until years later after Jim Weiner suffered a traumatic fall and began to experience seizures.

“After suffering this fall he started having these visions of humanoid beings levitating above his bed, poking him with needles,” Rak said.

Jim Weiner eventually shared his visions with renowned UFO researcher and author Raymond Fowler, after which the group underwent hypnosis with a man named Tony Constantino.

During the regressive hypnosis sessions both the Weiners and Foltz claimed to recall small grey aliens taking them aboard a spacecraft. They said the aliens then performed what they perceived to be medical examinations on the men.

Rak now says his hypnosis experience led to no such recall on his part, although he previously claimed publicly that it did.

Fowler wrote a book about the case in 1993, “The Allagash Abductions.” A storm of media attention followed, including appearances by the Allagash Four – as the public dubbed Rak, Foltz and the Weiner brothers – on “The Joan Rivers Show” and an episode of “Unsolved Mysteries.”

“We were compelled to stay together, all speculating that this thing could go into the millions of dollars for each of us,” Rak said. “We made very little.”

Rak said he and the others eventually had a falling out, after which he began telling people that the abductions never took place.

He stopped short of describing the Allagash Abductions as an outright hoax. “I don’t call it a hoax, just brilliant storytelling. It’s not the truth, but I have to admire the storytelling ability of these guys,” he said.

Rak challenges what many believers of the Allagash Abductions consider a key element of the case: the “lost time” the men allegedly experienced. The men all claimed that when they set out fishing on Big Eagle Lake the evening of the UFO sighting, they had left a large fire burning at their campsite as a beacon to guide them back to shore during the pitch-black night. However, when they returned to the campsite, the fire had burned down much faster than they thought it should have given the amount of time they thought they had spent out on the water.




Map of part of the Allagash Wilderness Waterway are in northern Maine from © OpenStreetMap contributors. Eagle Lake (also known as Big Eagle Lake to avoid confusion with another Eagle Lake in the St. John Valley) is the site of an alleged alien abduction in 1976.

Rak now dismisses this suggestion as “complete (manure).”

“It certainly was a big fire, I agree with that,” he said. “Those logs were maybe three inches. Some of them could have been almost three and a half inches, that’s the biggest they could have been; and most of them were smaller, and as such in that condition those pieces of wood would have burned off very quickly.”

Foltz, in a telephone conversation from his Massachusetts home on Thursday, September 1, claimed differently. “Some of the wood we put on there was about the diameter of my leg,” Foltz said. “I would say at least a good 10 inches in diameter easily.”

Rak also said during the August 31 interview that he and other members of the group had used recreational drugs on the night of the alleged abduction. “I remember Jack brought some Afghan temple ball with him to share with the rest of us,” he said. “Yeah, we were definitely stoned when we went out on the lake just before we got that sighting.”

According to Rak, he felt conflicted when others asked him whether the group had been under the influence of drugs or alcohol on the night of the encounters. “I remember being on ‘The Joan Rivers Show.’ Joan was asking, ‘Were you guys drinking or taking drugs?’ Fortunately, I was sitting furthest away from her. Jim (Weiner) was right next to her and he had to field that question and lie and I didn’t have to lie.”

Foltz denies any drug use among the Allagash Four during the outing. “No,” he said Thursday. “We bought an eight-pack of beer in Millinocket when we bought all of our supplies for the canoe trip. We each had one beer at Telos Landing the very first night and we each had one beer at Fort Kent the last day of our canoe trip,” he said. “We carried those eight bottles in and we carried those eight bottles back out.”

Foltz described Rak as a man with a violent temper who has been banned from some UFO conventions. “We definitely steer clear of him because the guy is a loose cannon and a mental disaster area,” Foltz said of Rak.

Jim Weiner also dismisses Rak’s new claims. “I personally believe that Mr. Rak’s self-aggrandizing rationalizations and disparaging accusations are simply the rantings of an angry and resentful individual, on whom his former friends have turned their backs,” he wrote in a September 5 email.

Fowler initially agreed to be interviewed for this story, but later sent an email indicating that he would not take part if Chuck Rak did.

Fowler wrote on August 29, “Chuck Rak did not have very detailed recall of the abduction under hypnosis. He is the type of person who needs to be in control. He was not happy not being able to have detailed recall of the abduction portion of the incident, thus several years after the investigation he claimed that no one was abducted.”
at least there was a UFO sighting
 

Creepy Green Light

Don't mistake lack of talent for genius
I just like to draw honestly, Even if I had found their pictures, I was still going to draw my own and put them there, It's those little opportunities in life one has to capitalize on lol :p

I had one that was more in line with their accounts, But it was sucky.
Untitled.png
At least he has gloves..........and a cape.
 

Shadowprophet

Truthiness
At least he has gloves..........and a cape.
The problem I have with those drawings is it's in Ms paint. I like to brush up my skills in different apps,
I don't know what it is about Mspaint, But I've never been able to do high-quality work in it, It's like the resolution just won't allow detailed work, Here is an image I did in a program called, Ibis paint X for android.

12364jb.jpg

I made this one for a Rick and Morty fan site on Facebook, This is supposed to Morty, Right at the moment in his old age when he turns into Rick, It's a fan theory.
What Can I say, I'm weird, I hang out in all kinds of strange places, :p

And here is something neat, This is a link to a video that shows step by step how I drew this, It's neat.
GENESIS RICK (finished) - ibisPaint I've been drawing most of my life, This is all done with apps and computers, With charcoal pencils, I can really do well. it's just so much harder to upload physical pictures, lol :p
 
Last edited:

Creepy Green Light

Don't mistake lack of talent for genius
The problem I have with those drawings is it's in Ms paint. I like to brush up my skills in different apps,
I don't know what it is about Mspaint, But I've never been able to do high-quality work in it, It's like the resolution just won't allow detailed work, Here is an image I did in a program called, Ibis paint X for android.

12364jb.jpg

I made this one for a Rick and Morty fan site on Facebook, This is supposed to Morty, Right at the moment in his old age when he turns into Rick, It's a fan theory.
What Can I say, I'm weird, I hang out in all kinds of strange places, :p

And here is something neat, This is a link to a video that shows step by step how I drew this, It's neat.
GENESIS RICK (finished) - ibisPaint I've been drawing most of my life, This is all done with apps and computers, With charcoal pencils, I can really do well. it's just so much harder to upload physical pictures, lol :p
Pretty impressive work. I can't draw worth a damn (yet somehow my daughters are extremely talented). One of the best cartoons that has a tons of 80's references is Regular Show. I watched one episode while on vacation at the Oregon coast and was blown away on how funny it was. Since that moment, myself & two daughters are hooked. I think it's very smartly written, clever & funny. I wish the series hadn't come to an end but there's always reruns :)
 

Shadowprophet

Truthiness
Pretty impressive work. I can't draw worth a damn (yet somehow my daughters are extremely talented). One of the best cartoons that has a tons of 80's references is Regular Show. I watched one episode while on vacation at the Oregon coast and was blown away on how funny it was. Since that moment, myself & two daughters are hooked. I think it's very smartly written, clever & funny. I wish the series hadn't come to an end but there's always reruns :)
It really Is, I'm a huge fan of Rick and Morty, It doesn't hurt though, that I got to speak to Dan Harmon twice though.
It all started on Twitter with me asking him why he sends all these deep political messages through his work. It ended up with him recommending art books to me to learn how to draw better. Which I took as a compliment. lol

I still think he's not the sanest person, But, He's a real person, Flaws an all.
 

Creepy Green Light

Don't mistake lack of talent for genius
It really Is, I'm a huge fan of Rick and Morty, It doesn't hurt though, that I got to speak to Dan Harmon twice though.
It all started on Twitter with me asking him why he sends all these deep political messages through his work. It ended up with him recommending art books to me to learn how to draw better. Which I took as a compliment. lol

I still think he's not the sanest person, But, He's a real person, Flaws an all.
One of the pilots I used to fly with in the Navy as named Dan Harmon. Maybe he got sick of flying planes and became a cartoonist? ;)
 

Shadowprophet

Truthiness
One of the pilots I used to fly with in the Navy as named Dan Harmon. Maybe he got sick of flying planes and became a cartoonist? ;)
He and Justin Roiland actually do a lot of charity work, Most people don't even know about,



Mostly because when people think of Dan Harmon, They are usually remembering this,



The lesson here is, Infamy, It lasts longer than fame lol :Thumbsup:
 
Top