What's wrong with a Belief in God?

pepe

Celestial
Carbon, hydrogen and oxygen.
One percent short of the complete ingredients for life when combined.

Echoes of our past that imprint our future.
 

Shadowprophet

Truthiness
I just had a long conversation with a friend of mine about religion and science and we both looked at it from the opposite perspective of what is usually debated. We both agreed that in many ways science is actually justifying the existence of many spiritual beliefs.

A growing number of theoretical physicists, for instance, are now convinced that we live in a holographic universe. To me this sounds so similar to the Buddhist belief that the universe is an illusion, a series of mental constructs that aren't real. We both agreed on a number of other ideas put forth by quantum physics that can be applied to religious beliefs depending on how one chooses to interpret them.
To clarify on holographic universe theory, Many people misunderstand what holographic universe theory really is, It doesn't necessarily mean we are photonic holograms like a light. The belief is, That reality, The universe. is being more or less "projected" on to some great kind of gravitational plane. Basically, Physical matter can only exist where there is space for it to exist, Oddly enough, The way physical matter interacts at the subatomic and quantum levels leads us to believe, the Higgs field is an anomaly upon which the foundations of physical reality "Manifest" "Project" " Exist" basically, That physical matter as we understand it, Doesn't react they ways it should, under certain conditions at the subatomic or quantum level. It changes next to nothing about the nature of physical matter on the Macro level at all, only how physical matter interacts with space itself.

Consider it like this, Space is the Screen, upon which, Physical matter manifests. So it's only holographic in its principals, Not Literally photonic, As In projections of light. The holographic theory does much more to prove the universe and life is a unique thing while disproving multiverse theory and embracing the idea of a flat infinite space.

The holographic theory does not necessarily embrace "simulation theory" But that is another subject. The Ancestor simulation idea is pretty cool though.
 
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pepe

Celestial
@pepe

No, No brother, It's just in my view even those distinctions are arbitrary. everyone in the human genome seems to be at least 98 percent genetically identical. In most cases, Even more than that within families. I think things like Hair color, Eye color Skin color, even certain mindsets, are really just flavors of ice cream, very little difference at the core of the issue, mostly aesthetic.

I know so many won't agree with me. But I think that's only because people, in general, don't want to accept that they are so alike to others that seem so different from them in either Skin color or sexual preference or religious beliefs. In the end, We all have to listen to our wives constantly nag on us to fix the garage door. "metaphorically"

The differences themselves between peoples ranging from their ideas to their skin color to what God they worship. We make them seem like huge differences because it's all we have to keep us from being the same...

You know? It's kind of like an identity thing I guess for many.

Totally agree with eye, hair and skin colour as being none important.

Structure is different in only one of the above. Surely has meaning of difference.

Everybody does worship the very same God/Gods, just a different theme. We are meant to dispute as it keeps it ripe for progress. For those who are Atheist, there will be a certain leaning toward one religion, as we have the capability to chose without having to make the choice. Usually culture embedded.

Never had a wife or a partner where I have toed the expected line. Maybe not having the stresses of children and loved ones has given me time to see things differently. I feel that reflected in many people I know.
 

Shadowprophet

Truthiness
Here is a better way to explain it, Spacetime is something we can actually see with gravitational lensing

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So, The idea here is Gravity, Bends space right? So,, holographic universe theory is like this. Some great unseen gravitational force has shaped space in such a way, That reality is shaped much like one of those lenses, And as such, Reality can only exist within these margins, Like it's being focused like this lens here, Reality is shaped by some great unseen assumed gravitational force and the energy is focusing at these points, Like energy or matter focuses at these points to basically form the reality we know "holographic theory in a nutshell"
 
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Shadowprophet

Truthiness
Totally agree with eye, hair and skin colour as being none important.

Structure is different in only one of the above. Surely has meaning of difference.

Everybody does worship the very same God/Gods, just a different theme. We are meant to dispute as it keeps it ripe for progress. For those who are Atheist, there will be a certain leaning toward one religion, as we have the capability to chose without having to make the choice. Usually culture embedded.

Never had a wife or a partner where I have toed the expected line. Maybe not having the stresses of children and loved ones has given me time to see things differently. I feel that reflected in many people I know.
Really? Somehow, I always imagined you as a married guy with grandchildren. It's your demeanor, You come off as too wise and reserved, If I was a betting man, I would have put all my money on the table that you were a family man brother.
 

pepe

Celestial
Really? Somehow, I always imagined you as a married guy with grandchildren. It's your demeanor, You come off as too wise and reserved, If I was a betting man, I would have put all my money on the table that you were a family man brother.

Never had an interest in family or sharing my life with anyone, long term scares me. Times I have shared with women but I am true to my nature and not monogamous. Never cheated, ships that pass in the night more like.

Love for my makers was and is paramount in that department. My brother is a mate and his kids are little mates.
 

Visenya

Honorable
I tell you, I've spent my whole life studying, I really have, But To either Side, When I profess a belief in the other, Both sides attack my intelligence, If I profess a belief in God to a scientist, Many will instantly make intellectual assumptions of me, Completely disregarding years upon years of actually knowing me. And, To be completely fair, I love Science, I will die loving Science, But, If I begin talking about how the universe formed in a scientific way to friends that are Christian, Well they are ready to fight.

Fuck them. This is why I have SUCH a problem with staunch atheism. The "we cannot prove God exists, so God is not real" attitude is ignorant. The truth is, we as humans don't know. Maybe he is, maybe he isn't. Of course we don't have solid, scientific evidence, but that doesn't mean there is no possibility. And yeah, honestly I understand scientists that judge hardcore religious folks. You know, the people that believe man was molded from clay and the world was made in 7 days. Because it's funny to poke fun at them... but that's not you. If you're wanting to have legitimate discussions with scientists, and you bring up the existence of god, why should you be made fun of? Shouldn't it be discussed? Isn't the point of science to explore the unknown? They bitch about religious people being closed-minded but they're doing the exact same thing.

Holy crap, this got be riled up... and this is coming from an agnostic-atheist.
 

pepe

Celestial
Here is a better way to explain it, Spacetime is something we can actually see with gravitational lensing

maxresdefault-59e8d857396e5a001012e50b.jpg


So, The idea here is Gravity, Bends space right? So,, holographic universe theory is like this. Some great unseen gravitational force has shaped space in such a way, That reality is shaped much like one of those lenses, And as such, Reality can only exist within these margins, Like it's being focused like this lens here, Reality is shaped by some great unseen assumed gravitational force and the energy is focusing at these points, Like energy or matter focuses at these points to basically form the reality we know "holographic theory in a nutshell"

Always begs the question of who's lenses are those with restriction.

I'm linear.
 

Kchoo

At Peace.
Grandchildren ?

By the common standard of age, my kids would be sex offenders.

Kiddophiles.
Guess you are younger than I thought....
Since you identify with Jack, I figured you would be roughly the same age.
 

Kchoo

At Peace.
Here is a better way to explain it, Spacetime is something we can actually see with gravitational lensing

maxresdefault-59e8d857396e5a001012e50b.jpg


So, The idea here is Gravity, Bends space right? So,, holographic universe theory is like this. Some great unseen gravitational force has shaped space in such a way, That reality is shaped much like one of those lenses, And as such, Reality can only exist within these margins, Like it's being focused like this lens here, Reality is shaped by some great unseen assumed gravitational force and the energy is focusing at these points, Like energy or matter focuses at these points to basically form the reality we know "holographic theory in a nutshell"
We do not live in a holographic universe... but we could be tricked into believing that...
 

nivek

As Above So Below
We do not live in a holographic universe... but we could be tricked into believing that...

Our universe isn't solid but we could be tricked into believing that...

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Kchoo

At Peace.
Our universe isn't solid but we could be tricked into believing that...

...
But I disagree...
The universe is touchable, tasty, smelly, and sometimes pretty.


If it is not solid... what keeps us from sinking into the ground below?
w24
 

nivek

As Above So Below
But I disagree...
The universe is touchable, tasty, smelly, and sometimes pretty.

See you have been tricked into thinking that...lol

If it is not solid... what keeps us from sinking into the ground below?
w24

Electromagnetic forces, electrons pushing other electrons away...

...
 

Shadowprophet

Truthiness
See you have been tricked into thinking that...lol



Electromagnetic forces, electrons pushing other electrons away...

...
I kind of see it like this, I wish Thomas would Input on the science aspect of this, But I can see why he hasn't yet. But, I see it in this way, E=Mc2 I'm not proclaiming rocket science, I wouldn't know this unless I studied it. I'm not a genius,
Genusis? lol anyway, Energy is equivalent to mass, Times the speed of light in the Vacuum, Or, Dark interaction <-- with Dark interaction being my own term to describe the Vacuum of space as the pull of dark energy on the universe.

But, Energy and matter are basically the same things, Matter is just energy that has been converted into another form of energy which just happens to have physical properties in the case of matter, it can and does return to energy some day. All physical matter decays, Anyway, So this gravitational plane, interacts with possibly the electromagnetic force or the QED in this very precise way, to give us physical matter, but only at this very specifically focused point in this gravitational field/horizon I don't know, I repeat this partly because of OCD and partly because I'm still trying to Grasp this myself, Thomas, Are you around?
 
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Shadowprophet

Truthiness
I am just glad I dont get absorbed by Earth's surface...
o_O
There is literally no rule that says we can not phase through an object,



In fact, In the case of superfluids, it can and does happen, Here is an article about Superfluids tunneling through a glass container, I believe it was helium with a glass container, Quantum phase transition from a superfluid to a Mott insulator in a gas of ultracold atoms This article is on scholarly is it cited by 6173 physicists.

And here is helium as a superfluid climbing out of its container by running up the sides and leaking through the solid glass. Absolute zero viscosity.



Anyway, The point is, What we consider a Solid matter is really just a perception, Atoms don't actually touch one another their electrons repulse one another. Why Physics Says You Can Never Actually Touch Anything there is a very fine electromagnetic field repulsing between atoms that will not allow them to ever really touch, even at incredible densities.

So, In superfluids case, Quantum tunneling is really just allowing the mass of one object to pass between the atoms of the other because atoms never touch anyway.
 
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Sheltie

Fratty and out of touch.
The holographic theory does much more to prove the universe and life is a unique thing while disproving multiverse theory and embracing the idea of a flat infinite space.

So are the ideas of a multiverse and a holographic universe mutually exclusive?
 
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