Crashed UFOs?

SOUL-DRIFTER

Life Long Researcher
I feel that most of the stories about alleged UFO crashes are basically disinformation, an easy way of covering up crashes of our own black projects. The fact that they began in the 1940s, after the acquisition of Nazi technology that included discoid aircraft possibly employing field propulsion technology, is key. Evidence of disinformation appeared in the famous Roswell incident. For me the conclusive fact is the official request to a local company for a number of child sized coffins. If you were trying to cover up the fact that you had recovered small alien bodies at a crash site, why do such a thing? There are enough body bags, crates and boxes easily available at any military base, and what is wrong with using adult sized coffins -- wouldn't small bodies fit in them? The only reason for this request must have been to plant the idea of small corpses and a possible alien source.
The obsession with alleged crashes even caused the early researchers at Rendlesham, especially Jenny Randles, to describe that incident as a "crash landing." There is nothing in any evidence coming from Rendlesham to suggest anything other than a controlled descent; in fact I have heard from a family member of the local gamekeeper that both he and a local lady, saw it coming down slowly.
I think it would be worth carefully re-examining all such stories for signs of disinformation. If UFOs are "alien space craft" and the product of a technology perhaps thousands of years ahead of ours, then they wouldn't be crashing. If they are something even more exotic, ditto. The Lazar story is also typical disinformation. He may well believe what he is saying but mind control techniques are quite capable of achieving this. Incidentally, bear in mind that Corso was the first US Intelligence office to draw attention to the use of brainwashing techniques by the Chinese during the Korean war, and that at least one person involved in the University of Colorado UFO project was an active participant in the MKultra mind control research programme (David Saunders). Look into the backgrounds of some of the people involved in these cases.

Fact, reports of crashed UFOs started way before 1940s...
 

SOUL-DRIFTER

Life Long Researcher
According to Corso's book, the Russians were very much in the know about technology gleaned from UFOs This wasn't seen as an entirely bad thing, as we also had access to their findings. Corso states that there was alot of controlled leaking going on, as both sides realized they couldn't figure it out on their own and so limited and unacknowledged cooperation was found to be beneficial.
This I feel is probably true.
 

Rick Hunter

Celestial
Much like Robert Dean (RIP), Corso is an interesting character. The fact that he was in the military and trusted with a lot of important stuff is undeniable. I am willing to accept the idea that he believed he was telling the truth. Just how factual his story is, and how much of it is just conclusions he reached based on his experiences and beliefs, is difficult to gauge.
 
There are those who doubt Corso's claims.
Philip Corso and The Day After Roswell, Again
"This is my [Kevin Randle] take on the stories Corso told, and once again, I find myself attempting to explain why I don’t accept what he said as real."
That's a damning article. Corso's absurd claims about reading top secret documents regarding "the Philadelphia experiment" - which is obviously a hoax based on one bizarre letter from a nut job - should be enough to convince anyone that Corso was a complete bullshitter. But all of the other logical and factual errors in his stories clinch it: Corso saw a chance to exploit his mediocre military career by glomming on to the Roswell hype of the 1990s, and convert it into some quick cash. Maybe he actually was thinking of his grand kids when he went public with his hokey stories - but it wasn't about getting the truth out, as he had claimed, it could only have been about setting up a trust fund, because not a single claim that he made about his connection to the Roswell story was ever verified either directly or indirectly.

I still think that alien tech could've come down at Mac Brazel's ranch, perhaps via some new kind of energy weapon deployed to protect White Sands from these mysterious intruders. But Corso had nothing to do with any of it, one way or the other.

Has anyone read Ryan Wood's books about crash retrievals? I've always had the impression that he has the goods on this kind of thing, but I've never delved into it. I think I'll check out his presentation here to see what he has to say:

 
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That's a damning article. Corso's absurd claims about reading top secret documents regarding "the Philadelphia experiment" - which is obviously a hoax based on one bizarre letter from a nut job - should be enough to convince anyone that Corso was a complete bullshitter. But all of the other logical and factual errors in his stories clinch it: Corso saw a chance to exploit his mediocre military career by glomming on to the Roswell hype of the 1990s, and convert it into some quick cash. Maybe he actually was thinking of his grand kids when he went public with his hokey stories - but it wasn't about getting the truth out, as he had claimed, it could only have been about setting up a trust fund, because not a single claim that he made about his connection to the Roswell story was ever verified either directly or indirectly.

I still think that alien tech could've come down at Mac Brazel's ranch, perhaps via some new kind of energy weapon deployed to protect White Sands from these mysterious intruders. But Corso had nothing to do with any of it, one way or the other.

Has anyone read Ryan Wood's books about crash retrievals? I've always had the impression that he has the goods on this kind of thing, but I've never delved into it. I think I'll check out his presentation here to see what he has to say:


I don't think that someone who reached the highest levels of intelligence during the Korean war could be said to have had a mediocre career. This was just a further bit of disinformation to add to the Roswell legend. If something crashed near White Sands it was probably an experimental device under test, quite possibly a German design acquired at the end of the war. Why is it that all these stories fortify the ET idea, yet do it (as in Corso's book) in an unrealistic and simplistic way designed to scare off serious scientific interest yet encourage all the true believers at the same time? The only crash report that they haven't managed to obscure is the Kecksburg story, involving an oddly shaped object which was seen by several local people and that many people link with the Nazi Bell, an alleged antigravity drive device developed in the closing stages of the war.
 

Toroid

Founding Member
I feel that most of the stories about alleged UFO crashes are basically disinformation, an easy way of covering up crashes of our own black projects. The fact that they began in the 1940s, after the acquisition of Nazi technology that included discoid aircraft possibly employing field propulsion technology, is key. Evidence of disinformation appeared in the famous Roswell incident. For me the conclusive fact is the official request to a local company for a number of child sized coffins. If you were trying to cover up the fact that you had recovered small alien bodies at a crash site, why do such a thing? There are enough body bags, crates and boxes easily available at any military base, and what is wrong with using adult sized coffins -- wouldn't small bodies fit in them? The only reason for this request must have been to plant the idea of small corpses and a possible alien source.
The obsession with alleged crashes even caused the early researchers at Rendlesham, especially Jenny Randles, to describe that incident as a "crash landing." There is nothing in any evidence coming from Rendlesham to suggest anything other than a controlled descent; in fact I have heard from a family member of the local gamekeeper that both he and a local lady, saw it coming down slowly.
I think it would be worth carefully re-examining all such stories for signs of disinformation. If UFOs are "alien space craft" and the product of a technology perhaps thousands of years ahead of ours, then they wouldn't be crashing. If they are something even more exotic, ditto. The Lazar story is also typical disinformation. He may well believe what he is saying but mind control techniques are quite capable of achieving this. Incidentally, bear in mind that Corso was the first US Intelligence office to draw attention to the use of brainwashing techniques by the Chinese during the Korean war, and that at least one person involved in the University of Colorado UFO project was an active participant in the MKultra mind control research programme (David Saunders). Look into the backgrounds of some of the people involved in these cases.
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Standingstones

Celestial
One of the views about “The Day After Roswell” is that Bill Birnes padded the book and added somethings that Corso did not himself know about.
 
One of the views about “The Day After Roswell” is that Bill Birnes padded the book and added somethings that Corso did not himself know about.
Certainly there is a lot of obviously dubious stuff in the Corso book, and his claim that the US's development of Star Wars technology saved the Earth from an alien takeover is pretty silly. It is true that the US govt did give high tech secrets to American firms but they were derived from German research in WWII (see Henry Stevens' books). I find it hard to believe that someone with Corso's known service record would make up these claims just for personal gain -- seems to me that the powers that be want to keep everyone's attention on the Roswell story and the idea of small alien bodies.
 

humanoidlord

ce3 researcher
What we are dealing with can be only:

1 Aliens only
2 Earth humans only
3 Or both

Take ur pic
4: jacques vallee control system
5: john keel's superspectrum
6: caravaca's "external agent"
7: my own cosmic trickster wich is based on all the above
 

humanoidlord

ce3 researcher
That's a damning article. Corso's absurd claims about reading top secret documents regarding "the Philadelphia experiment" - which is obviously a hoax based on one bizarre letter from a nut job - should be enough to convince anyone that Corso was a complete bullshitter. But all of the other logical and factual errors in his stories clinch it: Corso saw a chance to exploit his mediocre military career by glomming on to the Roswell hype of the 1990s, and convert it into some quick cash. Maybe he actually was thinking of his grand kids when he went public with his hokey stories - but it wasn't about getting the truth out, as he had claimed, it could only have been about setting up a trust fund, because not a single claim that he made about his connection to the Roswell story was ever verified either directly or indirectly.

I still think that alien tech could've come down at Mac Brazel's ranch, perhaps via some new kind of energy weapon deployed to protect White Sands from these mysterious intruders. But Corso had nothing to do with any of it, one way or the other.

Has anyone read Ryan Wood's books about crash retrievals? I've always had the impression that he has the goods on this kind of thing, but I've never delved into it. I think I'll check out his presentation here to see what he has to say:


in the entire video the infamous MJ-12 disinfo campaign by notorious GOV agent richard doty is mentioned
 

pigfarmer

tall, thin, irritable
Certainly there is a lot of obviously dubious stuff in the Corso book, and his claim that the US's development of Star Wars technology saved the Earth from an alien takeover is pretty silly. It is true that the US govt did give high tech secrets to American firms but they were derived from German research in WWII (see Henry Stevens' books). I find it hard to believe that someone with Corso's known service record would make up these claims just for personal gain -- seems to me that the powers that be want to keep everyone's attention on the Roswell story and the idea of small alien bodies.

People of any and all backgrounds can make s*** up for their own purposes, even if it's just for the sake of getting a little attention and/or just screwing with people.
 
4: jacques vallee control system
5: john keel's superspectrum
6: caravaca's "external agent"
7: my own cosmic trickster wich is based on all the above
Add a couple of others:

8: Fairies/Jinns/unknown lifeforms sharing our planet
9: Jung's idea, our collective unconscious manifesting itself
 

wwkirk

Divine
its beyond obvious to me, look at the official look he gave the documents
I don't understand. The documents look official, but there are countless government agents who could have done it.
That being said, he's a good candidate since he has a track record of deceiving UFO researchers.
 
You don't have to look very far past Bill Moore for a reasonable explanation of the MJ-12 hoax. There is physical evidence to back up the circumstantial stuff. I can't say he was the source of all that hooey, but old Occam could leave his razor safely stashed away and use a dull pocketknife on that one.
 
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