Bright Insight - JFK Assassination

Creepy Green Light

Creepy Green Light

Don't mistake lack of talent for genius
I still go back to the doc I posted & was talking about earlier in the thread......that makes the most sense to me. I'm not saying it makes perfect sense - but out of all the explanations I've heard - it makes the most.
 
Creepy Green Light

Creepy Green Light

Don't mistake lack of talent for genius
Castle-Yankee54 said:
Thank you.....I had missed it. By chance what was his conclusion?.....I don't have the time to watch it now.
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With his findings, this investigator shows a compelling scenario about the final bullet that made the president’s head explode. Why did this bullet explode in the president’s head when the other bullet went straight through the president and the governor? His conclusion is that the bullet was a different kind than those shot by Oswald’s rifle.

Furthermore, his findings show that the fatal bullet was fired from a lower point and not up high from the sixth floor, where Oswald was perched. Retracing the trajectory of the final bullet shows it originated directly behind the president, from the follow-up car. Plus, he pieces together the statements by those involved in the autopsy and comes to the conclusion that the fatal shot came from a Secret Service agent who accidentally fired his high-powered gun in the heat of the moment.
 
Castle-Yankee54

Castle-Yankee54

Celestial
Creepy Green Light said:
With his findings, this investigator shows a compelling scenario about the final bullet that made the president’s head explode. Why did this bullet explode in the president’s head when the other bullet went straight through the president and the governor? His conclusion is that the bullet was a different kind than those shot by Oswald’s rifle.

Furthermore, his findings show that the fatal bullet was fired from a lower point and not up high from the sixth floor, where Oswald was perched. Retracing the trajectory of the final bullet shows it originated directly behind the president, from the follow-up car. Plus, he pieces together the statements by those involved in the autopsy and comes to the conclusion that the fatal shot came from a Secret Service agent who accidentally fired his high-powered gun in the heat of the moment.
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Bear in mind that larger fragments were found in the front of the limo and later confirmed by neutron activation test to be from the same batch as the highly deformed bullet that wounded both JFK and Connelly. Even Cyril Wecht one of the most vocal opponents of the Warren Report autopsy report agreed with the findings. One of the major differences in the bullets is that one didn't hit bone....(and was still deformed).....and the one that hit his head did hit bone and fragmented.

Also recent trajectory analysis shows the line of fire is from behind, to the right and elevated......likely from the depository. Right where witnesses saw a rifle firing.....(and heard) from.
 
pigfarmer

pigfarmer

tall, thin, irritable
No magic in bullets. As I've said it's ll luck of the draw as to where it hits - some shatter, some fragment and some come out looking so pristine that except for the rifling they look unfired.

Oswald used 6.5 - 52mm Carcano full metal jacket ammunition.
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FMJ or 'ball' ammo tends to penetrate and pass through tissue. Bullets with exposed lead tips or hollow points are designed for expansion, which is why we hunt with them and not FMJ. Also why Civil War era weapons were so destructive - really big soft lead projectiles that delivered most of their energy right into soft targets.

I have no trouble believing the blunt jacketed round that went through JFK's head and did all that damage continued on and wound up elsewhere. And I have no problem with it just lying on a stretcher virtually intact.
 
Castle-Yankee54

Castle-Yankee54

Celestial
Farmer......your responses are in bold......mine are not.

No magic in bullets. As I've said it's ll luck of the draw as to where it hits - some shatter, some fragment and some come out looking so pristine that except for the rifling they look unfired.

I haven't seen any "pristine" bullets in this case......but I agree that there is no magic in the bullet. Oliver Stone and Garrison were pretty much off their chump in saying it changed directions in mid-air.

Oswald used 6.5 - 52mm Carcano full metal jacket ammunition.

Yes and that is what was found in the fragments and heavily defromed bullet.

FMJ or 'ball' ammo tends to penetrate and pass through tissue. Bullets with exposed lead tips or hollow points are designed for expansion, which is why we hunt with them and not FMJ.

Not sure what you mean by "blunt or ball" ammo......but I do agree with this statement.

Also why Civil War era weapons were so destructive - really big soft lead projectiles that delivered most of their energy right into soft targets.

They were even more destructive when hitting bones.......even with todays technology 75 to 80% of the amputations in the civil war would still be done today. That is why soft lead projectiles are "outlawed" in warfare and also why full metal jacket round came to be.....as the Minet Ball was actually an unjacketed conical bullet.

The Minet Ball was .578 caliber soft lead that expanded when it struck an object......it however, kept its shape better when striking soft tissue. My musket is actually .575 caliber.

I have no trouble believing the blunt jacketed round that went through JFK's head and did all that damage continued on and wound up elsewhere. And I have no problem with it just lying on a stretcher virtually intact.

Since the jacketed round hit his skull it fragmented and was why there were small fragments left behind in the brain matter. The remainder of the bullet was found in the front of the limo.

The bullet that struck both men was far from pristine as it was heavily deformed and missing approximately 10 to 15 grams. Later nuetron activations tests performed in the eaarly 1980s confirmed that these two bullets caused all the damage and were consistent with the bullet remaining in oswalds rifle.
 
pigfarmer

pigfarmer

tall, thin, irritable
We're on the same page here. I'm going from memory and my visit to the Depository - there was one mostly intact bullet found on the stretcher. It was roughly 90% whole, the rest were fragments. Just saying that stuff like that happens.

Castle-Yankee54 said:
Not sure what you mean by "blunt or ball" ammo......
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Yes, confusing.

I believe the idea was that full metal jacket ammo was supposed to be more humane! Wounding an enemy is preferable to killing them outright because it creates a greater logistical strain on your opponent. That was also an argument in favor of the adoption of the AR/M16 and the 5.56 NATO 'high velocity' round.

That 6.5 Carcano has a blunt, rounded nose. Military cartridges of the era tended toward 'spitzer' style -pointy - bullets to achieve accuracy over greater distances. Still do. At 100 yards Oswald didn't need the increase in efficiency. I was just saying there's a difference between blunt rounded types and the 'spitzer' style pointy ones which have been in use since the late 19th century. The 6.5 Carcano was a thowback. It will still f*** you up if shot in the head or throat from short range, obviously. Quite capable of doing what was done to JFK and Governor Connally.

Military FMJ ammo is universally called 'ball'. Anachronism. Here's some Minie 'balls' and 1969 vintage .30-06 military 'ball' ammo. Neither are really balls but both are referred to as such.
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I just post this stuff because it's too common to draw conclusions from reading on the internet, and when it comes to what is and isn't possible in terms of rifle shots it's a narrow window into which I have some insight.
 

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Castle-Yankee54

Castle-Yankee54

Celestial
pigfarmer said:
We're on the same page here. I'm going from memory and my visit to the Depository - there was one mostly intact bullet found on the stretcher. It was roughly 90% whole, the rest were fragments. Just saying that stuff like that happens.

I believe the idea was that full metal jacket ammo was supposed to be more humane! Wounding an enemy is preferable to killing them outright because it creates a greater logistical strain on your opponent. That was also an argument in favor of the adoption of the AR/M16 and the 5.56 NATO 'high velocity' round.

That 6.5 Carcano has a blunt, rounded nose. Military cartridges of the era tended toward 'spitzer' style -pointy - bullets to achieve accuracy over greater distances. Still do. At 100 yards Oswald didn't need the increase in efficiency. I was just saying there's a difference between blunt rounded types and the 'spitzer' style pointy ones which have been in use since the late 19th century. The 6.5 Carcano was a thowback. It will still f*** you up if shot in the head or throat from short range, obviously. Quite capable of doing what was done to JFK and Governor Connally.

I just post this stuff because it's too common to draw conclusions from reading on the internet, and when it comes to what is and isn't possible in terms of rifle shots it's a narrow window into which I have some insight.
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Thanks.....that helps explain it. I think we are on the same page. I agree that the carcano would cause damage.....especially in the hands of someone who knew how to use it. Even if the weapon itself was 30 years old it could still be effective.......especially if it was cared for and had never been fired.

One of the things people don't seem to realize is that 270 feet is not a long range shot. In the USMC they are trained to hit a target 200 meters away without a scope.
 
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