The Extradimensional Ultraterrestrial Hypothesis: Superstition Masquerading as Science

humanoidlord

ce3 researcher
Hello all.

Interesting thread.

I would say that neither Vallee nor Keel drove the very public Condon panel to reject UFOs as a topic for USAF scrutiny. The Condon panel did that themselves by examining USAF reports, and Condon was an expert physicist. Political? Whatever. In 1969 it wasn’t Keel or Vallee who “discredited” the ETH.

Regardless, I do not defend terminology or ideas proffered by Vallee, Keel or others. I only speak for myself. I’ve had two potential sightings, though I am pretty sure both were mundane, one probably a bolide, and the other a spectacular slowly reentering satellite.

On the other hand, while studying at university, I was struck by the complexities of the spdf orbitals as something elegant beyond a “random chance” accident. That and other science issues, together with a number of anomalous experiences, led me past my upbringing of naturalism to a theistic view of reality.

So, I’ve pondered my anomalous experiences: How can a discrete, so-called “non-corporal” sentient being know my thoughts and interact with me? My conjecture is that sentient intelligence is not confined to structures made solely of Standard Model particles. This concept will be a major hurdle for many people. The fact is, all Standard Model particles in the universe occur within the “vacuum.” So, yeah, in my best Keanu Reeves impression, “What is the ‘Vacuum’?” I haven’t read of anyone who is confident that they know what the vacuum “substance” is composed of. I get the impression that many think of it as a roiling quantum sea that continuously produces infinite pairs of self-annihilating virtual particles, together with the actual particles that make up our universe. As I understand things, in our “upper” side of the quantum vacuum (Planck length or greater), all causal interactions are limited in speed to c, or the speed of light.

So, if one be permitted to speculate, based on the pattern of discoveries of late 19th and 20th century physics that revealed a great deal of astonishingly small “substance” to the universe that was previously unknown:

What if there is, on the less-than-Planck-length “under side” of the quantum vacuum – tentatively the sub-quantum (SQ) – a different “Standard Model” of SQ particles many orders of magnitude smaller than our Standard Model particle zoo? Such SQ particles would ostensibly be all around us, engulfing us, and through-and-through us, and perhaps part of our very being as well. Yet, we would not be able to isolate and study them. What if our own consciousness is based on structures that include such SQ particles?​

Too, what if there are also intelligent sentient beings composed only of SQ particles?​

What if such SQ sentient beings can, and do, interact up through the Planck-length divide into our macro-Planck, Standard Model side? And if so, then perhaps these SQ entities can “precipitate” any element on our Periodic Table here on our side of the quantum vacuum, at will, in any form they like. Not exactly like heating up a mixture of metals to form a figure, but perhaps not that far from the idea, except that these SQ entities don’t need molds.​

Then too, what if the SQ rate of causality is much faster than c? (?Perhaps related to what we see as “entanglement”?) That would potentially give SQ sentient entities speed of thought and action in the SQ domain much faster than us, and they could conceivably cause phenomena that, to us, do not conform to physics.​

What if some of these SQ sentient entities detest human beings and continually do stuff to torment and deceive us? UFOs have been and remain so tantalizingly coy. Many people’s boundless enthusiasm for the subject is a serious distraction from pressing life-issues. And if “abduction” is actually related to UFOs, then it could be taken as evidence of such harassment.​

Reject my conjecture if inclined. I concede that it is not proof. It is my speculation for myself, trying to understand my personal experiences. The bottom line, from my theistic view, is that there is an infinite-infinitesimal foundation of reality that upholds all other aspects of all of reality, the supreme Being, as written, “In him we live and move and have our being.”

I can only think of a few even semi-credible multiple witness UFO - CE3 cases. None seems to me to prove what their origin is, much less the ETH. So, any view, ETH included, would be an extrapolation.

Kelly Hopkinsville Encounter,


Father Gill in Papua New Guinea,
Anglican father and UFO 1959 at DuckDuckGo

Gaffney, SC – two cops encounter a disc and a little man who spoke excellent English,


Pascagoula, Charles Hickson and Calvin Parker,


Voronezh, USSR,
Voronezh UFO Landing, 1989

Ariel School,


So, I was passin’ by. First post. Prolly my last. Oh well … Best wishes.

excellent post!
your idea is very similar to keel's superspectrum idea, that the ultraterrestrials live in an extension of the radiation spectrum
 

Dejan Corovic

As above, so bellow
Hey, why had conversation died down.

Here is the kicker. It's not just that ufologists, we all know, are slowly dying out, but it seems that UFO phenomena is fading away. Kind off, aliens are loosing interest in us.

Here is the unsung hero of ufology, astrophysicist Dr. Mark Rodeghier, who was a director of CUFOS. CUFOS was created by Dr Alan Hynek to collect and investigate UFO witness testimonials and follows trends.



What Dr. Rodegheir is saying about last 20-30 years is:
  • There are lot more black triangles and boomerangs than discs.
  • Sightings are rarer,
  • Sightings with physical traces left behind fell by 90-95%
  • No more alien-human interactions,
  • Aliens not stepping out of their craft
  • Still no good photos, because mobile phones have really bad cameras

Check it out.
 

nivek

As Above So Below
aliens are loosing interest in us.

Maybe they realize how dangerous we are and how deadly it is for them to have any interactions with humans on earth...Perhaps they are just being more covert than they were before, all it takes is one dumb human to do the wrong thing lol...Also we aren't detonating nuclear devices in the air we breath any longer, boy I wonder what they thought of that, I can only imagine lol...

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pigfarmer

tall, thin, irritable
Hey, why had conversation died down.

Here is the kicker. It's not just that ufologists, we all know, are slowly dying out, but it seems that UFO phenomena is fading away. Kind off, aliens are loosing interest in us.

Here is the unsung hero of ufology, astrophysicist Dr. Mark Rodeghier, who was a director of CUFOS. CUFOS was created by Dr Alan Hynek to collect and investigate UFO witness testimonials and follows trends.



What Dr. Rodegheir is saying about last 20-30 years is:
  • There are lot more black triangles and boomerangs than discs.
  • Sightings are rarer,
  • Sightings with physical traces left behind fell by 90-95%
  • No more alien-human interactions,
  • Aliens not stepping out of their craft
  • Still no good photos, because mobile phones have really bad cameras

Check it out.


Another way to look at it is that Ruppelt was right and the vast majority of all this is modern mythology. It's been many years since we got any Venusians, Nordics, Italian-looking men in knit skull caps and so forth. This phenomenon is taking a cultural turn. I believe that at the core of this there just might be something quite real but extremely rare.
 

humanoidlord

ce3 researcher
Here is the kicker. It's not just that ufologists, we all know, are slowly dying out, but it seems that UFO phenomena is fading away. Kind off, aliens are loosing interest in us.
no, its the other way around, we lost interest on the fortean phenomena
there is a ongoing old school style UFO flap in argentina right now and nobody is giving a fuck
  • No more alien-human interactions,
  • Aliens not stepping out of their craft
abert rosales and lon strickler tells us otherwise
again it isn't them that lost interest, it's us that lost interest, this probally has something to do with the ultra-materialistic deppresive society we live in right now
There are lot more black triangles and boomerangs than discs.
in ancient times we had flying chariots and demons
in ancient china they had dragons
in the 1800's we had airships
in the 1930's we had phantom airplanes and missiles
in the 1940's we had lights that followed airplanes
in the 1950's - 1970's we had saucers and cigars
in the 1980's - 2000's we had triangles and boomerangs
now we have funny lights
i am missing something?
Sightings with physical traces left behind fell by 90-95%
probally because we don't have more people to investigate such cases, in the golden years there were a lot of newsletter publishing accurate and scientific research on ufology, like FSR or APRO
Still no good photos, because mobile phones have really bad cameras
what does that have to do with the decrease in sightings? cameras (even 4K,telescopic ones) are made for large static objects, not small, higly fast objects
 

humanoidlord

ce3 researcher
Another way to look at it is that Ruppelt was right and the vast majority of all this is modern mythology. It's been many years since we got any Venusians, Nordics, Italian-looking men in knit skull caps and so forth. This phenomenon is taking a cultural turn. I believe that at the core of this there just might be something quite real but extremely rare.
what if we still get visits of this type but nobody can report them anymore due to the ridicule?
 

pigfarmer

tall, thin, irritable
there is a ongoing old school style UFO flap in argentina right now and nobody is giving a fuck

Well, I do but hadn't heard about it. Do tell. This seems like the place to share it. Start a thread (if you already did and I missed it, sorry)
 

humanoidlord

ce3 researcher
since when were people making UFO reports free from the fear of ridicule?
in the pre-internet age there was more privacy and people could send an anonymous story without the fear of being found, this has of course changed
coupled with that is the fact nobody takes UFOs seriously anymore and there is no one like john keel to investigate the odder reports
Well, I do but hadn't heard about it. Do tell. This seems like the place to share it. Start a thread (if you already did and I missed it, sorry)
just follow scott corales blog inexplicata, he is doing constant updates (usually translated spanish articles) of the wave:
Inexplicata-The Journal of Hispanic Ufology
 

nivek

As Above So Below
it took them that long to find it out?

You talk as if it's the same ones coming around all the time, we don't know that...There could be some return visits, others could have known about us from others if they talk to their neighbors out there, others could have found us and visited once, seeing how we are and vowing never to return lol...

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humanoidlord

ce3 researcher
You talk as if it's the same ones coming around all the time, we don't know that...There could be some return visits, others could have known about us from others if they talk to their neighbors out there, others could have found us and visited once, seeing how we are and vowing never to return lol...
i thought the news would spread faster, we are so primitive and yet we can thanks to the internet know about a terrorist attack the second it happens
 

humanoidlord

ce3 researcher
When it comes to these things I put zero credence in anonymous reports and posted photos. Not much has changed except the immediacy of communication.
i am talking about when the witness reveals its name and identity to the investigators but not to the rest of the world, today with the internet that is almost impossible
 
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