Chris O'Brien Update

Creepy Green Light

Don't mistake lack of talent for genius
I'm going to go out on a limb here and suggest that perhaps there were a few more resources available to build Ford
Correct - but I was going more for the angle of; it took only 5 years to build a brand new class of nuclear aircraft carrier with the likes of new technology never seen before (electromagnetic catapult system) which is 800,000,000 times more complex then having a few cameras scattered in the woods aiming at the stars.
 

Standingstones

Celestial
I looked on “Our Strange Planet”, the last update was July 2018! I guess sponsors of his camera project are supposed to give money without any updates. That’s pretty lazy.
 

Creepy Green Light

Don't mistake lack of talent for genius
I looked on “Our Strange Planet”, the last update was July 2018! I guess sponsors of his camera project are supposed to give money without any updates. That’s pretty lazy.
That's unsat. The old saying "**t or get off the pot" applies here. Either make it happen or start giving people their money back. It doesn't take 10+ years to write code and install cameras in the woods.
 

pigfarmer

tall, thin, irritable
Agreed. When I first read about it I was thinking "This is exactly what we need." Then a year went by, then 3 years, then 7 years, then 10 years. Then I saw on (or around) Sept 8 of 2018 a big announcement that its up and running. Then as quick as that announcement came another announcement said its down because of technical issues - then that's the last I heard of the thing. When I first heard about it - it was presented as if it were "right around the corner". Then once a year it became "its right around the corner" - until 10+ years has gone by.

I noticed there is a GoFundMe w/ $34247 dollars donated and it was set up in Sept 2018. People have donated in increments of $25, 50 & 100. I'd be pissed if I was one of those people. Give a GD update to what in the hell is going on with it and if you can't figure it out - give them their money back (yeah I know it doesn't work like that).

Click here to support UFODAP for the San Luis Valley organized by UFODAP

Yeah, and how much of it went directly to the project or for 'incidentals' related to it. Not saying they are ripping anyone off but can't help but wonder what the real accounting is.
 

Standingstones

Celestial
You might remember from a few years ago, David Hatcher Childress appeared on the Paracast. Chris O’Brien got grief for not questioning Childress too hard about his appearances on “Ancient Aliens.” O’Brien then states that Childress is his landlord. How could he possibly cause grief for his landlord?

I knew after that, it was best to take O’Brien with a grain of salt.
 

Creepy Green Light

Don't mistake lack of talent for genius
Yeah, and how much of it went directly to the project or for 'incidentals' related to it. Not saying they are ripping anyone off but can't help but wonder what the real accounting is.
I did make a typo earlier, the amount donated is actually $3427)
 

Creepy Green Light

Don't mistake lack of talent for genius
You might remember from a few years ago, David Hatcher Childress appeared on the Paracast. Chris O’Brien got grief for not questioning Childress too hard about his appearances on “Ancient Aliens.” O’Brien then states that Childress is his landlord. How could he possibly cause grief for his landlord?

I knew after that, it was best to take O’Brien with a grain of salt.
Exactly. It seems like a lot of credible people end up endorsing a case or two that seems ludicrous. Bruce Macabbee (who I thought at one time was the ultimate examiner of photographs & videos) thinks Ed Walters UFO's are real. As well as The Guardian video. He also thought the red light on an optical computer mouse was a flying saucer). Stan Friedman - believes & endorses (so much that he did the forward to the book) Frank Feschino's ridiculous version of the Flatwoods Monster case. That one stopped me dead in my tracks. I was having a hard time processing how ridiculous the story is and that Stan went on record endorsing it. Same with O'Brien & Stanford. Stanford comes across as a clear & total nut job in his interviews & claims he has the most solid evidence of alien visitors. Yet he was roommates with famous fraudster George Adamski. Hmmmm. It'd be like me bragging on every podcast that I have daylight footage of a real flying saucer shooting laser beams out of it. And then I mention "Oh hey, by the way - I am roommates with Billy Meier."
 

pigfarmer

tall, thin, irritable
That's unsat. The old saying "**t or get off the pot" applies here. Either make it happen or start giving people their money back. It doesn't take 10+ years to write code and install cameras in the woods.

He has mentioned repeatedly one thing they need is additional bandwidth and on the Paracast I've heard him toss a few terms around in discussing that - the need for s T-2 for example. I'd like to raise my hand and say: it's 2019 and there is bandwidth oozing from the sky in epidemic amounts. T-carrier tech is useful but old. I know what T-1 and T-3s are. I have two carrier analyzers sitting ten feet away from me right now. Never even heard of a T-2 - maybe he misspoke. They could take a tip from the MADAR boxes on this one. Funding it wouldn't be necessarily prohibitive. Ask Nivek.
 

Creepy Green Light

Don't mistake lack of talent for genius
He has mentioned repeatedly one thing they need is additional bandwidth and on the Paracast I've heard him toss a few terms around in discussing that - the need for s T-2 for example. I'd like to raise my hand and say: it's 2019 and there is bandwidth oozing from the sky in epidemic amounts. T-carrier tech is useful but old. I know what T-1 and T-3s are. I have two carrier analyzers sitting ten feet away from me right now. Never even heard of a T-2 - maybe he misspoke. They could take a tip from the MADAR boxes on this one. Funding it wouldn't be necessarily prohibitive. Ask Nivek.
This guy would probably have more success by planting 2 or 3 of his UFO detectors in the woods then CO's 10+ year long contraption.

 

pigfarmer

tall, thin, irritable
This guy would probably have more success by planting 2 or 3 of his UFO detectors in the woods then CO's 10+ year long contraption.



Simple and cheap an ubiquitous 'detectors' that can virtually instantly add to a standardized database of sightings is a fantastic idea. It's the value of quantity over quality - refer to the WW2 Germans about that for a refresher. Also, look at how amazing crowd funding can be. The concept of making a simple plug and play, fire and forget gadget available to the general public is fantastic. How many organizations and individuals have collected reams of sighting data and then did exactly what with them - let anyone that wants to come and look? Great if you're writing a book but otherwise - and I hate this term - is building a silo. A mass appeal approach, which I don't think the MADAR folks are quite up to speed with, is the closest thing I can imagine to having a coherent database of 'big data' to mine. Mass samples can be very revealing in surprising ways. Problem is, just what the units themselves are capable of reporting right now is questionable. Garbage in, garbage out.

Oh, to CO - if you want credible investors looking things over maybe put the reports of Bigfoot Portals on a different map.
 
This probably fits in this thread as well as any. I want to address a few things I've read here over the weekend, on some closely related topics. As far as podcasts and good websites to visit for news of the "paranormal" as it is commonly known, well, I used to trawl teh innternets daily for new reports and anything else that popped up, with dozens of links stored in well organized folders within Firefox, before they fucked that process all up. Really it was great, and now they keep fooling with it, fixing one thing and breaking another. But I digress.

When Captain Sully "landed" his dead airplane in the Hudson with no loss of life, it was at a time when Amurricah desperately needed some indication that we could still do awesome things. It was an inspiring event on many levels. How did the posters on the forums I visited react? Way too many of them instantly began contriving conspiracy theories about how it was a hoax designed to distract us from the real news, which of course was all bad. That was some of the more sensible crap that sprung up like mushrooms. Suddenly it dawned on me that I was wasting my time hanging around with dumbasses and lunatics. I deleted well over half the links I had stored, and ignored most of the "paranormal" news and discussions on the web. Should have done it years earlier. By now, there are a handful of sites I visit with any regularity, and much of what I find there is just tedious. There are some great people posting intelligent things here, but still I ignore the vast majority of the threads for various reasons. Mostly it just doesn't interest me.

The San Luis Valley is an amazing part of the world for many reasons. Chris O'Brien's first two books are not to be missed if you have any interest in the valley or the sorts of things reported to have happened there. The first widely known animal mutilation case happened there around fifty years ago. It's known as a "paranormal hotspot" mostly because of O'Brien's work, but this "spot" covers about 8,000 square miles. That's bigger than some states, particularly in terms of land area (not including bodies of water).

I have never lived in the valley, but I have owned property there, spent a fair amount of time working and visiting there, and have friends who live there. There are some truly magical places to explore and camp in. If you want to meet some real backwoods characters, rural Colorado style, you just have to be physically present for a short time. I love it there, but have no desire to live there. I've seen a few things that definitely seemed odd, but have never seen a "UFO" in my travels and time there. Most of the people there who have even mentioned the subject to me have what I consider a healthy attitude about it. Generally they smile, shrug, and say well maybe, I don't know. It's not like you are likely to see something weird on your first day there, or encounter kooks who think Billy Meier is cool. I'm sure there are some, but the area has a wide variety of people, if not huge numbers of them. There are hard-bitten old ranchers still living and working there, potato farmers, lots of retirees, flaky white dudes in dreadlocks (mostly from Boulder), professionals on sabbatical, studying under their favorite guru, random seekers-after-the-truth who thought they just needed to get there and Nirvana would ensue. Those generally last a few months before hitchhiking out of the valley with all their worldly possessions in their backpacks. If the desert will kill you if you give it half a chance, and it will, then the SLV will show you what you are really made of if you move there.

Internet service in the SLV, and in the Crestone area in particular, is spotty at best. Cell phone service is very hit and miss. Usually there is one carrier that can give useful service, and it varies. Until about a year ago, it was Verizon that worked most of the time there, but they stopped renting bandwidth and left lots of customers high and dry, stuck with contracts and useless phones. Assholes. AT&T works passably well there at the moment. Like a lot of Coloradans, I keep two phones going on different carriers. That will get you coverage on most days in most places but still with huge holes. Sprint works sometimes, depending on cloud cover, wind direction, humidity and of course one's specific location. As far as I can tell, T Mobile is useless there. Even where I live (a thriving metropolis by comparison), it's a bad idea to try to watch something on Netflix around the time school is out. Internet service can be non-existent for days or even weeks in rural Colorado just because of a forest fire a hundred miles away. I am not at all surprised that finding bandwidth is an issue for the UAP project, which by the way I think is quite an achievement. It's easy to take a cynical and curmudgeonly attitude about what it might ever show us, but it's still impressive. It would be impressive anywhere, but to get it working in that part of the world really is remarkable. We're talking about a part of the world where it can take a week or more to get in contact with a roofing contractor, who might just blow you off and not show up at all.
 

nivek

As Above So Below
This probably fits in this thread as well as any. I want to address a few things I've read here over the weekend, on some closely related topics. As far as podcasts and good websites to visit for news of the "paranormal" as it is commonly known, well, I used to trawl teh innternets daily for new reports and anything else that popped up, with dozens of links stored in well organized folders within Firefox, before they fucked that process all up. Really it was great, and now they keep fooling with it, fixing one thing and breaking another. But I digress.

I never really got into the podcast thing, neither way, listening nor producing any, had a blogtalk radio thing about 6 years ago but that's it...I didn't care for listening to reports and information because personally I would rather read it, at least that's the way I used to be...Now I have checked out a few random podcasts, here and there, some are okay I guess, I am still a reader though, I prefer to read things then have someone read it to me like an audio book...I tried audio books a few times,I don't get as much out of it listening, but reading I can absorb it all...

The San Luis Valley is an amazing part of the world for many reasons. Chris O'Brien's first two books are not to be missed if you have any interest in the valley or the sorts of things reported to have happened there.

Chris, during his brief time here, gave me one of his books to read, said he would give me another after I finished it...He hasn't returned to this forum for whatever reason, as far as I know he wasn't having any problems with anyone here whilst he was here, but then soon after he left the Gene thread started up so perhaps he wanted to distance himself from that...

...
 

Creepy Green Light

Don't mistake lack of talent for genius
This probably fits in this thread as well as any. I want to address a few things I've read here over the weekend, on some closely related topics. As far as podcasts and good websites to visit for news of the "paranormal" as it is commonly known, well, I used to trawl teh innternets daily for new reports and anything else that popped up, with dozens of links stored in well organized folders within Firefox, before they fucked that process all up. Really it was great, and now they keep fooling with it, fixing one thing and breaking another. But I digress.

When Captain Sully "landed" his dead airplane in the Hudson with no loss of life, it was at a time when Amurricah desperately needed some indication that we could still do awesome things. It was an inspiring event on many levels. How did the posters on the forums I visited react? Way too many of them instantly began contriving conspiracy theories about how it was a hoax designed to distract us from the real news, which of course was all bad. That was some of the more sensible crap that sprung up like mushrooms. Suddenly it dawned on me that I was wasting my time hanging around with dumbasses and lunatics. I deleted well over half the links I had stored, and ignored most of the "paranormal" news and discussions on the web. Should have done it years earlier. By now, there are a handful of sites I visit with any regularity, and much of what I find there is just tedious. There are some great people posting intelligent things here, but still I ignore the vast majority of the threads for various reasons. Mostly it just doesn't interest me.

The San Luis Valley is an amazing part of the world for many reasons. Chris O'Brien's first two books are not to be missed if you have any interest in the valley or the sorts of things reported to have happened there. The first widely known animal mutilation case happened there around fifty years ago. It's known as a "paranormal hotspot" mostly because of O'Brien's work, but this "spot" covers about 8,000 square miles. That's bigger than some states, particularly in terms of land area (not including bodies of water).

I have never lived in the valley, but I have owned property there, spent a fair amount of time working and visiting there, and have friends who live there. There are some truly magical places to explore and camp in. If you want to meet some real backwoods characters, rural Colorado style, you just have to be physically present for a short time. I love it there, but have no desire to live there. I've seen a few things that definitely seemed odd, but have never seen a "UFO" in my travels and time there. Most of the people there who have even mentioned the subject to me have what I consider a healthy attitude about it. Generally they smile, shrug, and say well maybe, I don't know. It's not like you are likely to see something weird on your first day there, or encounter kooks who think Billy Meier is cool. I'm sure there are some, but the area has a wide variety of people, if not huge numbers of them. There are hard-bitten old ranchers still living and working there, potato farmers, lots of retirees, flaky white dudes in dreadlocks (mostly from Boulder), professionals on sabbatical, studying under their favorite guru, random seekers-after-the-truth who thought they just needed to get there and Nirvana would ensue. Those generally last a few months before hitchhiking out of the valley with all their worldly possessions in their backpacks. If the desert will kill you if you give it half a chance, and it will, then the SLV will show you what you are really made of if you move there.

Internet service in the SLV, and in the Crestone area in particular, is spotty at best. Cell phone service is very hit and miss. Usually there is one carrier that can give useful service, and it varies. Until about a year ago, it was Verizon that worked most of the time there, but they stopped renting bandwidth and left lots of customers high and dry, stuck with contracts and useless phones. Assholes. AT&T works passably well there at the moment. Like a lot of Coloradans, I keep two phones going on different carriers. That will get you coverage on most days in most places but still with huge holes. Sprint works sometimes, depending on cloud cover, wind direction, humidity and of course one's specific location. As far as I can tell, T Mobile is useless there. Even where I live (a thriving metropolis by comparison), it's a bad idea to try to watch something on Netflix around the time school is out. Internet service can be non-existent for days or even weeks in rural Colorado just because of a forest fire a hundred miles away. I am not at all surprised that finding bandwidth is an issue for the UAP project, which by the way I think is quite an achievement. It's easy to take a cynical and curmudgeonly attitude about what it might ever show us, but it's still impressive. It would be impressive anywhere, but to get it working in that part of the world really is remarkable. We're talking about a part of the world where it can take a week or more to get in contact with a roofing contractor, who might just blow you off and not show up at all.
I'm sure it will be impressive when it's up and if we can logon to it and see it in action. When I first heard about it and what its capabilities are, I was excited. I'm just saying that after 10 years - the ether kinda wore off. But who knows - maybe we'll see an announcement tomorrow saying that its up and running? Or maybe its completely dead in the water? People will speculate when money has been donated & they cant see what their $ went towards.
 
I'm sure it will be impressive when it's up and if we can logon to it and see it in action. When I first heard about it and what its capabilities are, I was excited. I'm just saying that after 10 years - the ether kinda wore off. But who knows - maybe we'll see an announcement tomorrow saying that its up and running? Or maybe its completely dead in the water? People will speculate when money has been donated & they cant see what their $ went towards.
I agree that there should be regular updates reporting any progress or lack of. I think it would pay. Cash.
 

pigfarmer

tall, thin, irritable
This probably fits in this thread as well as any. I want to address a few things I've read here over the weekend, on some closely related topics. As far as podcasts and good websites to visit for news of the "paranormal" as it is commonly known, well, I used to trawl teh innternets daily for new reports and anything else that popped up, with dozens of links stored in well organized folders within Firefox, before they fucked that process all up. Really it was great, and now they keep fooling with it, fixing one thing and breaking another. But I digress.

When Captain Sully "landed" his dead airplane in the Hudson with no loss of life, it was at a time when Amurricah desperately needed some indication that we could still do awesome things. It was an inspiring event on many levels. How did the posters on the forums I visited react? Way too many of them instantly began contriving conspiracy theories about how it was a hoax designed to distract us from the real news, which of course was all bad. That was some of the more sensible crap that sprung up like mushrooms. Suddenly it dawned on me that I was wasting my time hanging around with dumbasses and lunatics. I deleted well over half the links I had stored, and ignored most of the "paranormal" news and discussions on the web. Should have done it years earlier. By now, there are a handful of sites I visit with any regularity, and much of what I find there is just tedious. There are some great people posting intelligent things here, but still I ignore the vast majority of the threads for various reasons. Mostly it just doesn't interest me.

The San Luis Valley is an amazing part of the world for many reasons. Chris O'Brien's first two books are not to be missed if you have any interest in the valley or the sorts of things reported to have happened there. The first widely known animal mutilation case happened there around fifty years ago. It's known as a "paranormal hotspot" mostly because of O'Brien's work, but this "spot" covers about 8,000 square miles. That's bigger than some states, particularly in terms of land area (not including bodies of water).

I have never lived in the valley, but I have owned property there, spent a fair amount of time working and visiting there, and have friends who live there. There are some truly magical places to explore and camp in. If you want to meet some real backwoods characters, rural Colorado style, you just have to be physically present for a short time. I love it there, but have no desire to live there. I've seen a few things that definitely seemed odd, but have never seen a "UFO" in my travels and time there. Most of the people there who have even mentioned the subject to me have what I consider a healthy attitude about it. Generally they smile, shrug, and say well maybe, I don't know. It's not like you are likely to see something weird on your first day there, or encounter kooks who think Billy Meier is cool. I'm sure there are some, but the area has a wide variety of people, if not huge numbers of them. There are hard-bitten old ranchers still living and working there, potato farmers, lots of retirees, flaky white dudes in dreadlocks (mostly from Boulder), professionals on sabbatical, studying under their favorite guru, random seekers-after-the-truth who thought they just needed to get there and Nirvana would ensue. Those generally last a few months before hitchhiking out of the valley with all their worldly possessions in their backpacks. If the desert will kill you if you give it half a chance, and it will, then the SLV will show you what you are really made of if you move there.

Internet service in the SLV, and in the Crestone area in particular, is spotty at best. Cell phone service is very hit and miss. Usually there is one carrier that can give useful service, and it varies. Until about a year ago, it was Verizon that worked most of the time there, but they stopped renting bandwidth and left lots of customers high and dry, stuck with contracts and useless phones. Assholes. AT&T works passably well there at the moment. Like a lot of Coloradans, I keep two phones going on different carriers. That will get you coverage on most days in most places but still with huge holes. Sprint works sometimes, depending on cloud cover, wind direction, humidity and of course one's specific location. As far as I can tell, T Mobile is useless there. Even where I live (a thriving metropolis by comparison), it's a bad idea to try to watch something on Netflix around the time school is out. Internet service can be non-existent for days or even weeks in rural Colorado just because of a forest fire a hundred miles away. I am not at all surprised that finding bandwidth is an issue for the UAP project, which by the way I think is quite an achievement. It's easy to take a cynical and curmudgeonly attitude about what it might ever show us, but it's still impressive. It would be impressive anywhere, but to get it working in that part of the world really is remarkable. We're talking about a part of the world where it can take a week or more to get in contact with a roofing contractor, who might just blow you off and not show up at all.

So now I see that advantage of a local perspective.and it gives me some understanding of Chris' bandwidth bitch.

On an unrelated note, local perspective is why I bang the drum about the Hudson Valley wave.
 
On an unrelated note, local perspective is why I bang the drum about the Hudson Valley wave.

And I am very happy that you do. That's an interesting topic, and I hope to get around to learning more about it. I haven't gotten into it because I want to spend the time it deserves. I'll probably read a book or two about it. I have found books to be awesome sources of information. ;) A whole book on a single topic like that has vastly more information and context than can found on any number of websites. I think of it as a difference in "depth of field".

There is no substitute for actual experience.
 
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