TRUE END TIMES BIBLE PROPHECY - Monarch Briefing

The shadow

The shadow knows!
No, I am not playing. One must be sharp and honest with words and truth. That's the whole problem with biblical interpretations. Often people take one word for another, or a meaning for another.

I said it before in this very thread (maybe I go too fast). People want a date but don't care about what the date means. I always see people asking, after long explanations from me, 'what will happen on that date?' They just need: UFO, Orleans, France. So, what? People here or there constantly say that I was wrong about the date but just disregard my explanations, as if their brain couldn't bear more than three words: UFO, Orleans, France.

Maybe people could add two more words in their brain: SOULS SWITCH!

I don't know if I can dare adding few more words. I am afraid they could be lost again. Well, let's try...

Two bodies LOOKING LIKE William's and Kate's are, right now, waiting for us in heaven (space). The same for Christ and two angels. Their bodies in space LOOK LIKE George's, Charlotte's and Louis'. We will enter our NEW bodies once raptured/abducted at Orleans, France.

FEW DAYS LATER, the present Cambridge family will be raptured/abducted too....and will STAY IN HEAVEN for a looooonnnng time, several decades, at least.

THEN, WE, Eve and Eric, THEN IN OUR NEW BODIES LOOKING LIKE William's and Kate's, will come back to earth as the TWO WITNESSES, with the NEW George Christ and his NEW earthly siblings, Charlotte and Louis. We will form the NEW Cambridge family!

To be the Two Witnesses, we need to witness something. What?

The spirit of Christ entering George's new body!
This is the narrative of Rev 5 and can not happen before our rapture/abduction at Orleans, France. That is why the Two Witnesses will be 'standing before the Lord of the earth', as per Rev 11:4, since he will be their earthly son...once the whole NEW Cambridge family will be back to earth.

I do hope that this explanation will help you.

You may wonder why we need new bodies LOOKING LIKE William's and Kate's instead of their own bodies. The reason is simple: to do wonders...

So, when we will discuss again about all the previous dates I was wrong for, and why our ET friends don't want to give us the date straight, you will include something of utmost importance. This souls switch event being the starting point of the end times, it then will be the first seal, the white horseman, the return of Christ. But what immediately follows this return of Christ? The second seal, the red horseman:

THE WAR IN HEAVEN!
A war between Michael (since Christ is on earth at that time) and his God's angels (aka the benevolent ETs, our friends) and Satan and his fallen angels (aka the malevolent ETs, reptilians and consorts).

So, hidding us the date is hidding their strategy, tactics and plan to God's enemies who could read our mind!

So, while you laughed at my failures, they laughed at Satan's blindness.

you are crazy!
 

The shadow

The shadow knows!
never ever have I seen in my life such a claim. this goes beyond the validity of the bible. beyond the reality of his aliens. beyond a date. he now claims he will not only switch souls with the British prince William but become a biblical figure one of the two witnesses..
so Eric what's next you going to become Jesus himself?
this has gone beyond debunking a false prophecy.
this is now clear.
my wife told me the truth you have no aliens. you are insane.
 

CasualBystander

Celestial
SO, I speculate that your brain is able to form a clear logic. Your want proofs that God exists. Am I right?

I told you: DEFINE GOD!

The problem here is that IF you are unable to define something that you want to get proofs from, you won't be able to get such proofs. This is a circular reasoning. You want proofs for something you don't define. This is impossible. I thought that the atheists were smarter than this. :(

Well, that is pretty easy.

God is a pan-dimensional being.

Because he is extra-dimensional (as are the angels) any appearance visible to humans is basically an avatar or placeholder.

Basic analogy for a 4+ dimensional being in 3D space is what happens when human intersects 2D space.

His head looks like a circle.

His body looks like a ellipse and two circles.

His legs look like two circles.

Just like the pictures from an NMR machine.

And as he moves through 2D space his shape randomly changes.

A pandimensional being in 3D space is anchored outside of it. Which has a lot of repercussions.
 

Georgek

George
Maybe you wanted to speak about John The Baptist, coming first (that is before Jesus Christ), having been Elijah

Just a correction .

Jesus was saying that John the Baptist was Elijah in a previous life.
Reference Malachi I think chapter 1 verse 4 from memory???
 
"Second, I don't specifically talk about my beliefs but about Christ's own prophecy since I keep quoting the Scriptures in my video and show how truthful they were and are in history."

This is from your response to my wife's post.
John.. many many events written in the Bible were written AFTER the fact.
and STOLEN!
Noah's ark originally was in the epic of gilgamesh. there is no evidence that many events ever happened.
As for jesus. no Dead Sea scroll mentions him.
now.. on to your aliens.
John/eric.. you need to stop. show them that no matter what they tell you you wont say a word until you get it confirmed. they say March 15..make sure there is no room for error.
no more posting cryptic dates..
No, I showed you that, for the Book of Daniel, those saying that the prophecies were written after the facts are just speculating that what Daniel spoke about was their own interpretation of those prophecies. Circular reasoning to get no prophecy nor prophet. Totally dishonest.

Now, the OT's prophecies about the coming of Jesus Christ were written before he came. No invention here. No writing after the facts. Your statement is but a belief.

There has been years ago a mouvement calling himself the 'zeitgeist mouvement' claiming that the Bible was invented and all the events contained in that book were inspired by previous events. So, I know where your beliefs come from. A lot of statements, a lack of proofs.
Zeitgeist (film series) - Wikipedia

Just two comments among many, the first one being from skeptics one couldn't accuse to be Christians oriented:

Skeptic magazine's Tim Callahan, criticizing the parts of the film on the origins of Christianity, wrote that "some of what it asserts is true. Unfortunately, this material is liberally—and sloppily—mixed with material that is only partially true and much that is plainly and simply bogus."

Chris Forbes, Senior lecturer in Ancient History of Macquarie University and member of the Synod of the Diocese of Sydney, severely criticized Part I of the film, stating that it has no basis in serious scholarship or ancient sources, and that it relies on amateur sources that recycle frivolous ideas from one another, commenting that "t is extraordinary how many claims it makes which are simply not true". Similar conclusions were reached by Dr. Mark Foreman of Liberty University.

Critics of the 'Zeitgeist Movie':

Is there any validity to the Zeitgeist movie?
What's Wrong With The Zeitgeist Movie? - Cross Examined - Christian Apologetic Ministry | Frank Turek | Christian Apologetics | Christian Apologetics Speakers
The Zeitgeist of the 'Zeitgeist Movie' - The Bible and Culture
How do you respond to the Zeitgeist video and its claim that Jesus is a myth? | Evidence for Christianity

At last:

http://biblethink.org.uk/pdfdocs/ZeitgM.pdf

Summary
The film “Zeitgeist” presents three conspiracy theories, the first of which suggests that Jesus Christ never existed but that the narratives concerning him were invented by theologians in the fourth century AD on behalf of the Roman Emperor Constantine.

This theory has gained some popularity among the undiscerning, and is occasionally used as an argument to undermine Christianity.

These notes produce real evidence on the subject and show the following:

• The real Jesus Christ has very little contact with the pagan mystery religions.
The Gospel records of the New Testament are much older than the time of Constantine and give a very accurate picture of the life and times of Jesus.
• The teaching of the Church was, indeed, altered at the time of Constantine and modern mainstream churches teach doctrines taken from Greek philosophy in the place of the original teachings of Jesus, which are found in the Bible.

The real teachings of Jesus Christ and the Apostles are still available in the New Testament, but the majority of Christians have abandonned them in favor of other teachings.


The problem is that, at no time, the tenants of such statements ('Zeitgeist Movie') can imagine that some events, figures and even miracles could resemble others without being actually the same.

I will continue later. Thanks for your patience.
 

Shadowprophet

Truthiness
No, I showed you that, for the Book of Daniel, those saying that the prophecies were written after the facts are just speculating that what Daniel spoke about was their own interpretation of those prophecies. Circular reasoning to get no prophecy nor prophet. Totally dishonest.

Now, the OT's prophecies about the coming of Jesus Christ were written before he came. No invention here. No writing after the facts. Your statement is but a belief.

There has been years ago a mouvement calling himself the 'zeitgeist mouvement' claiming that the Bible was invented and all the events contained in that book were inspired by previous events. So, I know where your beliefs come from. A lot of statements, a lack of proofs.
Zeitgeist (film series) - Wikipedia

Just two comments among many, the first one being from skeptics one couldn't accuse to be Christians oriented:

Skeptic magazine's Tim Callahan, criticizing the parts of the film on the origins of Christianity, wrote that "some of what it asserts is true. Unfortunately, this material is liberally—and sloppily—mixed with material that is only partially true and much that is plainly and simply bogus."

Chris Forbes, Senior lecturer in Ancient History of Macquarie University and member of the Synod of the Diocese of Sydney, severely criticized Part I of the film, stating that it has no basis in serious scholarship or ancient sources, and that it relies on amateur sources that recycle frivolous ideas from one another, commenting that "t is extraordinary how many claims it makes which are simply not true". Similar conclusions were reached by Dr. Mark Foreman of Liberty University.

Critics of the 'Zeitgeist Movie':

Is there any validity to the Zeitgeist movie?
What's Wrong With The Zeitgeist Movie? - Cross Examined - Christian Apologetic Ministry | Frank Turek | Christian Apologetics | Christian Apologetics Speakers
The Zeitgeist of the 'Zeitgeist Movie' - The Bible and Culture
How do you respond to the Zeitgeist video and its claim that Jesus is a myth? | Evidence for Christianity

At last:

http://biblethink.org.uk/pdfdocs/ZeitgM.pdf

Summary
The film “Zeitgeist” presents three conspiracy theories, the first of which suggests that Jesus Christ never existed but that the narratives concerning him were invented by theologians in the fourth century AD on behalf of the Roman Emperor Constantine.

This theory has gained some popularity among the undiscerning, and is occasionally used as an argument to undermine Christianity.

These notes produce real evidence on the subject and show the following:

• The real Jesus Christ has very little contact with the pagan mystery religions.
The Gospel records of the New Testament are much older than the time of Constantine and give a very accurate picture of the life and times of Jesus.
• The teaching of the Church was, indeed, altered at the time of Constantine and modern mainstream churches teach doctrines taken from Greek philosophy in the place of the original teachings of Jesus, which are found in the Bible.

The real teachings of Jesus Christ and the Apostles are still available in the New Testament, but the majority of Christians have abandonned them in favor of other teachings.



The problem is that, at no time, the tenants of such statements ('Zeitgeist Movie') can imagine that some events, figures and even miracles could resemble others without being actually the same.

To make a long story short, many in this forum, mainly naysayers and skeptics, have beliefs based on untrue statements and are brainwashed by lies, in a form that is pure evil since supposed to open the eyes: conspiracy fanatism!

I will continue later. Thanks for your patience.

I need to talk to you John, I would like to do this privately. Do you have an email? or something. This is not a trick, This is not a slight, If I was going to make some kind of move, I wouldn't do it privately. I feel it's important that we speak. If all else fails you can email me,
 
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As for jesus. no Dead Sea scroll mentions him.
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That is not entirely true nor false. It is true that Jesus Christ is not directly mentioned, but he is contextually present.

Dead Sea Scrolls - Wikipedia

Most of the texts use Hebrew, with some written in Aramaic (for example the Son of God text; in different regional dialects, including Nabataean), and a few in Greek.

4Q246 - Wikipedia

4Q246, also known as the Son of God Text or the Aramaic Apocalypse, is one of the Dead Sea Scrolls found at Qumran which is notable for an early messianic mention of a son of God. The text is an Aramaic language fragment first acquired in 1958 from cave 4 at Qumran, and the major debate on this fragment has been on the identity of this "son of God" figure.

The text includes phrases such as "son of God" and "the Most High", so the two references of Daniel 7:13-14 and Luke 1:32-33, 35 are considered to be related to the fragmental phrases.

There are several arguments for a messianic figure. First is the previously discussed parallel in Luke 1. There is also a messianic parallel in 2 Samuel 7:12-14, where God tells David that from his offspring God will establish his eternal kingdom, and God "will be his father, and he will be [God's] son"

Back to the Dead Sea Scroll wikipedia page:

Robert Eisenman vigorously posits his theory that the later, non-biblical "sectarian" scrolls must be viewed in the context of a wider first-century CE “Opposition Movement,” including Essenes, Zealots, Sicarii, and/or Nazoreans, and particularly the early Judeo-Christian community of Jerusalem, the Ebionites, whose leader, James, the brother of Jesus, was acknowledged by the entire “Opposition Movement,” and who is no other than the Scrolls' Teacher of Righteousness. He thus creates a strong link between the Scrolls and the pre-Pauline Jewish Christian community.

James, brother of Jesus - Wikipedia

But I must admit that I confused (I certainly was tired at the end of the day, and because the discoveries were close in time) the Dead Sea Scrolls (1946) with the Nag Hammadi Library (1945):

Nag Hammadi library - Wikipedia

The Nag Hammadi library (also known as the "Chenoboskion Manuscripts" and the "Gnostic Gospels") is a collection of early Christian and Gnostic texts discovered near the Upper Egyptian town of Nag Hammadi in 1945.

This clearly shows that the Bible is not the only book talking about Jesus Christ, the very point I was saying earlier.
 
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now.. on to your aliens.
John/eric.. you need to stop. show them that no matter what they tell you you wont say a word until you get it confirmed. they say March 15..make sure there is no room for error.
no more posting cryptic dates..
There can not be any ultimatum kind of relationship between them and us for the future must be based on trust, respect and friendship. Besides, they don't ask us to provide any date to the public since the visions are mainly personal. The reason for which I sometimes give dates to the public is to regularly remind people why such UFO events will take place because I do know how losses of memories and disinformation work.

You maybe don't see it now, but it is of utmost importance to engrave in minds what those UFO events I announce really mean because what is at stake is not whether UFO and ET exist, but why they come at that moment: END TIMES!

And the end times mean PERSONAL CHOICE to follow a specific path.

Once the question of their existence is solved, which will take few hours or days to be definitively answered, the real questions come: who are they? Why do they come?

That is where those who are involved - us – make the difference between tons of hypothesis in every direction and what I convey since years now. If I had given one date in, say, 2013, and then shut my mouth up not to bother people nor to possibly be wrong again (as I was so many times since then) and to appear stupid – which would have been just an ego matter – no one today would have been aware of THE answer to the above questions. Everyone would have totally forgotten what is all about.

Today, people know by heart the city (Orleans), the country (France), the persons involved (Eve Marchal & Eric Julien) and the reason of the UFO event (start of the end times) and the follow up (UFO in UK, plus new Cambridge family becoming the modern Holy Family).

Even yourself has forgotten what I said one year and half ago in my first thread in AE since you display a strange astonishement about what I ALREADY announced in that said previous thread.

You were already here since you started the present thread saying:

Hello Eric, Eric Julian.
do you remember me? seems I remember you! I remember your failed predictions. I remember all your arguments. I remember not one but two UFO events you predicted and failed to appear.
what? don't remember? ah Eric I do!
here let me help you remember!
Bible Prophecies Explained at Last
I told you I would be waiting.
I told you I would be there to debunk your prophecy
welcome back..the dance begins anew.
I will watch the videos.
then I will have questions so many questions..

You actually prove that what I do – giving new dates – is ABSOLUTELY necessary since you eventually forgot everything (what matters the most) except date settings failures, which actually were just assumptions based on cryptic ET intel, everything that explains the Bible prophecies coming true since centuries!

Again, this is not about whether ET and UFO exist. It is about what will happen to everyone in a near future as outcomes of these events. My behavior – you now have understood it – is mere love for people. Being a nutcase (in the public eyes) is the price and proof of that love.
 
So you have given me the same none answer,as a truly benevolent creator wouldn’t let his innocent creations be abused in this way.
Innocent creations? How do you know it?

I showed that reincarnation was in the Bible. Reincarnation implies past lives. Past lives imply past deeds and misdeeds. The Justice of God is perfect and things happen to people because of lessons to be learned. What you did in past lives you will undergo the same way at one moment in time, in a future life, unless your victims forgive you, and/or you repent and fix your own mess (what time in jail partially does). What do you know about those innocent people's past misdeeds?

Maybe some abused people abused people themselves.

A great deal of talks about forgiveness has been addressed here. What if, precisely, what God asks us is to forgive those criminals badly using their free will, free will which can be meaningful only because of these interactions with others. Criminals' wrongdoings trigger anger in your heart? This is normal. But imagine for a while that forgiveness replaces anger with time. How the world would be if one would make every effort to teach those criminals how bad was their behavior instead of punishing them as the only solution?

As you see, the Creator didn't do the least thing against the victims but humans did. And the relationships between criminals and victims (when victims become criminals in a future life) go on from lives to lives until someone forgives and stops these bound relationships.
 
yet this all powerful creator is willing to use an innocent family. This all powerful creator is willing to allow suffering on a massive scale. this creator when the creation became flawed instead of resetting the creation right then and there allowed the flawed creation to continue until he flooded the world. then incarnated committed suicide and then appointed a unknown guy from France to be his witness..
yeah right.
a guy who has repeatedly been wrong..
a guy who supposedly talks to aliens.
How can lessons be learned if there are no opportunities, numerous and long enough, to be learned? What kind of divine justice would that be? Do parents ask a baby to know how to walk at the very first attempt? Or do they let the baby grow a little bit more to be able to walk alone after a number of attempts, rather than throwing him/her in the trash at the first failure?

There are cycles for such lessons to be learned like there are a number of years for school degrees. God doesn't want his creation to be perfect without his creatures to be involved in such perfection. That is the perfection itself: let the creature be the creator!

Jesus Christ did not commit suicide. Men killed him. But he knew they would and accepted this fate in order for humanity to remember him for what happened AFTER that murder. That was a real full free will in action. Would you say that soldiers commit suicide when going to war? Or that they sacrifice themselves to defend their country? Jesus Christ defended his Father's creation and realm when showing The Way.

God doesn't appoint two people from France to be his witnesses without giving them a chance to humble themselves. What the date settings failures allow them to do. Being humble is THE condition to glorify God for only God's deeds matter!
 
You don't get it, John, Just because you are willing to keep fighting doesn't mean I am, This thread has turned into something worse than a clusterfuck. It's turned into an outright riot. Some day, You and I Will continue our discussion and pick up on things, Provided you stick around, But for now, You have more pressing concerns than me.
No, no fight from me. I just point out references that can help people think, or rethink, about what they state. Of course, this thread has turned into something I didn't expect for I constantly ask or suggest members to stick to the topic. But, except my wish to return to the topic – the content of the video(s) proving the relevance of the Bible prophecies, fulfilled until now – I don't have any pressing concern.
 
Be as wise as a serpent and as gentle and as innocent as doves John.

There are a lot of people here who think the Bible is Fiction, We can't control peoples free will, Which is a point that you could make concerning God allowing people to harm others. To interfere with someone's free will, Omits the freedom people have to make mistakes.
Thinking that Bible is fiction doesn't mean it is. There is a difference between 'claiming' that Bible is fiction, for one needs to prove it, and 'thinking' that Bible is fiction, which then becomes a mere belief. What I respect, of course. Free will allows this. But people have had a lot of beliefs in the past which eventually were wrong.

God didn't put us here to Not have choices and options, And this is why Bad things happen. Because Life and living life, Isn't about proof, It's not about Making someone else accept what we believe in, To each person, It's about their belief, Their faith, You have to reach their hearts, Not their necks to strangle them. Life and living life is about what they choose. This isn't me speaking religion, This is me speaking logic. They know what I believe in, What I stand for, But I will never force it on others Because their right to choose is as validated as my right to choose.
I think that time is too short now to let people believe they are right just because this is comfortable to adopt a social consensus on 'agreements to disagree'. I force no one to do or think anything. I just push their logic to let them question their own beliefs they were certain to be 'truths' while there is still time enough. So, it's not about choice, it's about truth. Choice then can be made between false and true. But to do that choice one must know what 'false' and 'true' are, and how to identify them.

I like them, Weather they Believe in God or not, Because If my affiliation with them was conditional based on how many of them agree with me, Then it could be said, A person like that doesn't genuinely like them.

They are my friends, They know what I believe, Most of them respect that I believe that. And that's because I respect what they believe. Just because someone refuses to accept God, Doesn't mean you should shun them or turn your back on them, People that refuse God, Can only know him Through our actions, John.

A little love and caring would have taken you really far.
Again, this is not about respect, it's about salvation. And this is because I respect people that I offer them, through God's words, a chance to choose in conscience. Remember Ezekiel 3 and 33:

Ezekiel’s Task as Watchman
Ezekiel 3:16-19 At the end of seven days the word of the Lord came to me: “Son of man, I have made you a watchman for the people of Israel; so hear the word I speak and give them warning from me. When I say to a wicked person, ‘You will surely die,’ and you do not warn them or speak out to dissuade them from their evil ways in order to save their life, that wicked person will die for their sin, and I will hold you accountable for their blood. But if you do warn the wicked person and they do not turn from their wickedness or from their evil ways, they will die for their sin; but you will have saved yourself.

Almost the same words are in Ezekiel 33:7-9. because it matters a lot. What follows is even more important:

Ezekiel 33:12 “Therefore, son of man, say to your people, ‘If someone who is righteous disobeys, that person’s former righteousness will count for nothing. And if someone who is wicked repents, that person’s former wickedness will not bring condemnation. The righteous person who sins will not be allowed to live even though they were formerly righteous.’

As you see, warnings are not about fear but chances for the sinners to be saved.
 
God is what humanity made up in their darkest moments to feel better. You are wrong at the very roots :cool8:
As creator of the universe, God was before man and will be after man. Did you look at the perfection, complexity and beauty of this universe? So He doesn't depend on man's beliefs. But man can be linked to God. The hows and the whys depend on man's culture. But, whatever the culture, good and evil are always addressed, and a final point in time is scheduled, should it be for a reset and/or a new form of life.

We are living in amazing times when we reach a point of no return in terms of overpopulation, growing gaps between rich and poor, climate change, ressources depletion and animal extinctions. But we still have only one planet. So, even without belief in God, we are doomed.

It happens that the Bible prophecies have described this period, as my video proves it, with a stunning accuracy. This is not a random collection of events. This is a precise chronological timing of events. This means that one could open one's mind to see the correlation between such an accuracy and the choice to be saved...the way described in those prophecies.
 
Eric John Whoever: Go get some help. Your condition is not uncommon, and there are effective treatments that could get you back to productive personhood. That's the best thing you could do for yourself and everyone else. You are counterproductive and harmful to yourself as it is, and changing that is not difficult if you have the courage to start.
We live on the same planet but not in the same realm. I made choices according to my experiences, like everyone else. I have had uncommon experiences. How could you ask me to act like people who didn't have them? I lived a 'normal' life with high responsabilities. I have had wives and children. Do you think I don't know what a 'productive personhood' is? I could have far more experiences than you have in terms of 'productive personhood'.

If you had the courage to start to face what I say to you, you could be very productive saving yourself. It is not that difficult after all. It's a matter of honesty and humility. So, get some help from God, the only one controlling everything...unlike the humans. I seem to be crazy because the norm in heaven is not the earth's. You believe life is material when it is essentially spiritual. Everything here is ephemeral. Everything in heaven is eternal. Who is crazy, then?
 

Ron67

Ignorance isn’t bliss!
Innocent creations? How do you know it?

I showed that reincarnation was in the Bible. Reincarnation implies past lives. Past lives imply past deeds and misdeeds. The Justice of God is perfect and things happen to people because of lessons to be learned. What you did in past lives you will undergo the same way at one moment in time, in a future life, unless your victims forgive you, and/or you repent and fix your own mess (what time in jail partially does). What do you know about those innocent people's past misdeeds?

Maybe some abused people abused people themselves.

A great deal of talks about forgiveness has been addressed here. What if, precisely, what God asks us is to forgive those criminals badly using their free will, free will which can be meaningful only because of these interactions with others. Criminals' wrongdoings trigger anger in your heart? This is normal. But imagine for a while that forgiveness replaces anger with time. How the world would be if one would make every effort to teach those criminals how bad was their behavior instead of punishing them as the only solution?

As you see, the Creator didn't do the least thing against the victims but humans did. And the relationships between criminals and victims (when victims become criminals in a future life) go on from lives to lives until someone forgives and stops these bound relationships.

Reincarnation is pure nonsense.There are billions more people around than were around thousands of years ago so where have all these reincarnated souls come from?.(For the record there is no proof of souls existing either).
 
I recollect in the mid 1970s I was sitting in the Market Square in Nottingham and this bible preacher stood up and gave a speech.

Most of his passers by jeered and laugh but I just listened to him. He later sat next to me and asked why I was not laughing?

By which I said that I admire a person with guts who can stand up in front of a jeering crowd and talk a load of rubbish.
We became good friends and both agreed to look into each others beliefs with mine being UFOs.

I spent a long time at Cliff College Derby learning Christianity and the bible and he found me interesting. A lot of my questions he was stuck and needed to ask his superiors for the answers.

I had biblical studies because I wanted to understand people. I wanted to know the human mind and what made a person believe?

Soon began to realise that most of the converts were people who had little hope. Drug users, criminals suicides and so on.

They became easy prey because they had given up on life. Christianity meant that no matter what they had done, trhey would go to heaven as long as they accepted Jesus Christ as their one and only savour!

Yer??? We both know that don't we.
You see John...... now...now listen.....

Eh...shush!
(I did a course in assertiveness by the way)
Cliches and amalgams are easy shortcuts to end discussions, aren't they? I believe I said several times here that no Denomination could even slightly be close to what I convey. There is no church that could be looking like my points. The only church of Christ is still to come, in the New Jerusalem. So, whatever the reasons for which people go to church are not the topic here. Repentance is not for the humans to hear but for God to listen to.

Okay....
It goes back a very long way over 6,000 years . It was all down to Eve when she ate that apple (or was it blueberry pie?)

We had it mate...good and proper because sin was born. Yer...alright we all became infected because the sin was passed down by generation to generation and you know what that meant?
What makes the difference between animals and humans? Do animals sin? When and how does an animal become a human? The Eden story tells us.

Hell!!!
This lot don't stand no chance because UFOs are meant to be the work of the devil and there are few of them reptilians lurking about here, as I will not mention names.

Through the years we went merrily along...'popped our clogs' and then to Hell.

Then Jesus came. It meant that no matter how bad we are...if we repent our sins and accepted Jesus we would be saved.
Whereas poor me who never hurt a fly was doomed to Hell and eternal damnation.
A booming bad deal!!!

Well...most thought:- "Sod it.....I will sign anyway"
Since the beginning, good and evil were explained to man. That was the first step to a better understanding of the stake when Jesus Christ walked on earth. Repentance and faith are necessary to hope for a better life in heaven because before we were mainly sinners, not good creatures. Repentance and faith help to see how far we were and still are from perfection. Psychologically, our previous sins would be a brake to our evolution. Hell and eternal damnation are misunderstandings from humans.

Over here if you slip them a few quid they will believe in anything for you.

Okay it don't bother me because I have made my escape plan back here. I am not staying .

There will be a few black clouds when this lot pop off!

Anyway...Ia m not going to ramble on about religion but the point is John, that th whole bible is going back a long time and you just cannot take bit out of it which will fit your point of view!

Oh bl**dy clever them priests. They did not have forums back in those days...they got rich in another way. By scaring you to death but making sure that they got your money first.

You think:- "Sod this..I am off!" But you cannot escape.

Yer alright there is a little bit more in it for you. Gratis at the gate for one or two converts.

What they did John...yer now listen........

They used to kill witches. YES!! It does say it in the bible. Though shall not suffer a witch to live!

So they got the ducking chair out and if you floated you would be set free. The chances are that your wallet would come up first!

They started issuing haemorrhoid cream on prescription back in 1640 for other reasons.
What the humans made of God's words is one thing. What God's words are is another. Distinguishing them is what evolution allows, and makes separate the wheat from the chaff.

No it was not the spirit of John the Baptist they were talking about. The disciples said:- "Verily the Scribes say that Elijah must come first"
that was when Malachi said:- "In the great and dreadful day of the lord...I bring you Elijah first"

Meaning that Jesus WAS Elijah.
See Matthew 11:11-14, Matthew 17:10-12, Matthew 27:47-49, Mark 6:14-15, Mark 9:11-13, Mark 15:35-36, Luke 1:13-17, Luke 9:7-8. All these verses firmly connect Elijah to John the Baptist, not Jesus Christ.

The bible also speaks of 'the second death' Purgatory is the Astral.

Did you also know that Jesus called to Lazarus THREE times not once? Yer...they got rid of that one.

John...john...john...john...I could talk to you about this for hours. Yer we could save one or two here but they are past redemption..lol

If you read Abraham they used to have sacrifices .
ONLY the Book of Revelation speaks about the 'Second Death':

Revelation 2:11
Whoever has ears, let them hear what the Spirit says to the churches. The one who is victorious will not be hurt at all by the second death.

Revelation 20:6
Blessed and holy are those who share in the first resurrection. The second death has no power over them, but they will be priests of God and of Christ and will reign with him for a thousand years.

Revelation 20:14
Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. The lake of fire is the second death.

Revelation 21:8
But the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the sexually immoral, those who practice magic arts, the idolaters and all liars—they will be consigned to the fiery lake of burning sulfur. This is the second death.”

If it would be the Purgatory, aka the Astral, it would be a common knowledge in the whole Bible. But it is not the case. The 'Second Death' is only for the very end, and its definition is clear: 'the lake of fire IS the second death', or 'the fiery lake of burning sulfur'. And provided the context, it can only be the nuclear explosions which destroy ALSO the spiritual realm. The 'second death' is therefore the death of the souls, the first death being those of the body. That is why ET ('angels') and UFO ('clouds') massively appeared since WWII, when the first nuclear explosions took place.

Sacrifices of the OT didn't have the same meaning as they have today.
 
I recall a man I once saw in Guildford, arms outstretched in front of him and clasping the latest edition of the argos catalogue he marched through the people barging his way to keep on a straight a line as possible while shouting out how he knew our fate.

Like a shield the book of argos was some kind of protector slash battering ram.

Probably had a pocket full of those little pens and on his way back to the rocking chair.
Cliches and amalgams can't help educated discussions, can they?
 
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