Arguments Against ETH

they aren't because the phenomena is fooling us too and materializing spaceships
Which sounds more logical?

1.) We can now say that we're seeing an alien spacecraft because we now understand that spacecraft are possible and the universe is almost certainly teeming with intelligent technological life.

Or

2.) A magical interdimensional trickster god is only making us think that we're seeing spacecraft by somehow breaking all of the known laws of physics to conjure from thin air physical metallic devices 30-50ft long which appear on radar and evade our top fighter pilots...presumably for nothing more than its own amusement.

You don't need to answer: you've made it very clear ad nauseum that you find Option 2 to be more plausible. And that's why I constantly insult your intelligence.
 
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humanoidlord

ce3 researcher
Which sounds more logical?

1.) We can now say that we're seeing an alien spacecraft because we now understand that spacecraft are possible and the universe is almost certainly teeming with intelligent technological life.

Or

2.) A magical interdimensional trickster god is only making us think that we're seeing spacecraft by somehow breaking all of the known laws of physics to conjure from thin air physical metallic devices 30-50ft long which appear on radar nd evade our top fighter pilots...presumably for nothing more than its own amusement.

You don't need to answer: you've made it very clear ad nauseum that you find Option 2 to be more plausible. And that's why I constantly insult your intelligence.
2 because i did my research and dug deep in the UFO subject, meanwhile from what i have seen from your previous posts you have barely scratched the shell of the UFO phenomena and you only look at what is currently trending in the UFO sphere
 

Shadowprophet

Truthiness
Which sounds more logical?

1.) We can now say that we're seeing an alien spacecraft because we now understand that spacecraft are possible and the universe is almost certainly teeming with intelligent technological life.

Or

2.) A magical interdimensional trickster god is only making us think that we're seeing spacecraft by somehow breaking all of the known laws of physics to conjure from thin air physical metallic devices 30-50ft long which appear on radar nd evade our top fighter pilots...presumably for nothing more than its own amusement.

You don't need to answer: you've made it very clear ad nauseum that you find Option 2 to be more plausible. And that's why I constantly insult your intelligence.

Still though, I say this, I support logical founded research, But still, I want to believe in option 2, that's just a more interesting universe though :p

I study a lot of science, But secretly, I want those fascinating things to occur :)
 

Shadowprophet

Truthiness
Which sounds more logical?

1.) We can now say that we're seeing an alien spacecraft because we now understand that spacecraft are possible and the universe is almost certainly teeming with intelligent technological life.

Or

2.) A magical interdimensional trickster god is only making us think that we're seeing spacecraft by somehow breaking all of the known laws of physics to conjure from thin air physical metallic devices 30-50ft long which appear on radar nd evade our top fighter pilots...presumably for nothing more than its own amusement.

You don't need to answer: you've made it very clear ad nauseum that you find Option 2 to be more plausible. And that's why I constantly insult your intelligence.

2 because i did my research and dug deep in the UFO subject, meanwhile from what i have seen from your previous posts you have barely scratched the shell of the UFO phenomena and you only look at what is currently trending in the UFO sphere

I feel like I'm butting in, I'm sorry guys, I was just wondering, could not some Advanced technology literally make us see anything they wanted us to though?

If I was some other life form interacting on some extraterrestrial planet, Id want others to see things they are natural and comfortable with, especially if I was studying them, Consider if I wanted to study that extraterrestrial species, I couldn't do that if they knew I was literally an alien to them. They would not act naturally and within their natural parameters, I wouldn't think.

This may be digging too deep into supposed psychology for an extraterrestrial race that is purely hypothetical though.
 

humanoidlord

ce3 researcher
I feel like I'm butting in, I'm sorry guys, I was just wondering, could not some Advanced technology literally make us see anything they wanted us to though?

If I was some other life form interacting on some extraterrestrial planet, Id want others to see things they are natural and comfortable with, especially if I was studying them, Consider if I wanted to study that extraterrestrial species, I couldn't do that if they knew I was literally an alien to them. They would not act naturally and within their natural parameters, I wouldn't think.
frankly i don't care about the origin of the "cosmic trickster" (wich is just a tongue in cheek nickname i gave to something wich probally doesn't even have a name), it could be a higly exotic extraterrestrial lifeform, a terrestrial intelligence or even something interdimensional
 

Shadowprophet

Truthiness
frankly i don't care about the origin of the "cosmic trickster" (wich is just a tongue in cheek nickname i gave to something wich probally doesn't even have a name), it could be a higly exotic extraterrestrial lifeform, a terrestrial intelligence or even something interdimensional
To be fair, I'm with you on the possibility of extradimensional life.

I realize what you mean by the trickster God thing. for the record, I'm fully open to the idea of a higher life form than man. I just can't in any way prove that though :)
 

humanoidlord

ce3 researcher
To be fair, I'm with you on the possibility of extradimensional life.

I realize what you mean by the trickster God thing. for the record, I'm fully open to the idea of a higher life form than man. I just can't in any way prove that though :)
again its all speculation, i just know that it exists, whatever the hell it is
 
wrong, fairies looked like normal or small sized humans that could disappear at will
Sure they did. And people also saw unicorns, flying carpets, talking bears, and beautiful mermaids with flowing red hair, because we all know that Disney movies are documentaries.

Still though, I say this, I support logical founded research, But still, I want to believe in option 2, that's just a more interesting universe though

I study a lot of science, But secretly, I want those fascinating things to occur
We would all love to live in a magical universe. But some people want that so badly that they abandon all reason and lose the capacity to discern reality from fantasy.

I feel like I'm butting in, I'm sorry guys,
You’re not butting in on our conversation – we were having a conversation and then humanoidlord decided to wipe his crazy all over it.

I was just wondering, could not some Advanced technology literally make us see anything they wanted us to though?
Probably. But that would require the presence of that advanced technology, which brings us right back to the ETH.

If I was some other life form interacting on some extraterrestrial planet, Id want others to see things they are natural and comfortable with, especially if I was studying them, Consider if I wanted to study that extraterrestrial species, I couldn't do that if they knew I was literally an alien to them.
I would think that simply employing an invisibility technology would be the best solution in that case.

And since the objects that we see, look and behave nothing like our jets and airplanes – if they’re trying to look innocuous, then they’re doing a really terrible job of it.

This may be digging too deep into supposed psychology for an extraterrestrial race that is purely hypothetical though.
The whole subject of alien psychology is counterfactual. That’s why I prefer to focus on the physics and technology.

To be fair, I'm with you on the possibility of extradimensional life.
I think it’s foolish to believe in extradimensional life (which humanoidlord is totally and fanatically convinced of) when the existence of extra dimensions of reality is still completely devoid of empirical evidence or even a compelling theoretical argument. I don't rule it out completely, but it's a wild stab in the dark at best.

for the record, I'm fully open to the idea of a higher life form than man. I just can't in any way prove that though
In my view the ETH argues that most of the life forms that visit our planet are a higher form of life than man – at least technologically. But probably also biologically and intellectually as well, since the average age of other habitable worlds is 2-3 billions years older than our planet (and we’re barely out of the caves, when looking at timescales like that).
 

Shadowprophet

Truthiness
The thing about Extra dimensions I've been studying lately is if extra dimensions do exist, They would be very small, and compact into every String/ well loop. , So, To perceive that there would be an entirely open space of extradimensional space that one could travel too would never be possible.

Consider for a moment though, If there are masses of infinite particles containing higher dimensional properties

You don't really need this, I post it just as bling to a post for others.




If higher dimensional space did exist, could there be portions of it large enough to be useful? What I'm meaning by this is, could not the higher dimensional space merge together just as physical mass does to create more space?
 
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Dejan Corovic

As above, so bellow
I'm no longer convinced that the positive-negative gravitational field interaction that produces warp field propulsion is the only path forward to gravitational field propulsion; I'm looking at a new idea that doesn't require any negative mass-energy.

Nice, hint, hint, and what is the new idea....
 

Roz

Adept
alien technology goes beyond imagination.

there are aliens that come from different universes from ours, I don't know if extra dimension is a good way to identify the place where they come from, I think it's something related to energy, a place that coexists with our reality but that we can't perceive.

in addition to this there are also aliens born near distant stars and which have stable colonies here
 

Standingstones

Celestial
alien technology goes beyond imagination.

there are aliens that come from different universes from ours, I don't know if extra dimension is a good way to identify the place where they come from, I think it's something related to energy, a place that coexists with our reality but that we can't perceive.

in addition to this there are also aliens born near distant stars and which have stable colonies here
And you know all this how??
 

nivek

As Above So Below
Stanton Friedman suggests that the development of nuclear weapons is what brought us to the attention of ET. Okaaaaay.

This I believe to be so, however not with all visitations of course, I think those who live in our local group of stars have been visiting us for some time, but it seems there was a distinct spike of visitations of all sorts and varieties and flavours of aliens during the nuclear cold war years when we and the Soviets were detonating those bombs on land, in the ocean, in our skies, underground and anywhere else we could shove a nuke...

I think every time we set off a nuke its like firing a flare into the sky, we made ourselves known to many species of aliens that beforehand were unaware of our existence...Through the 1950s and on through the 70s there were amazing contact reports of UFOnauts, and so much diversity in the reports spanning across those three decades...

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Toroid

Founding Member
The development of nuclear weapons represents a fork in the road phase for species. The destruction of inhabited worlds with such weapons must have played out billions or even trillions of times throughout the universe. There must be universal protocols for dealing with this reoccurring problem. It seems the core problem is its effects on the holographic software that is our reality. When the hydrogen bomb was detonated on Bikini Atoll it created micro-wormholes which can be seen in images of the event.

There was a guest on C2C years ago who claimed aliens contacted him and taught him to disarm nukes. They first appeared on his TV that I believe was unplugged. They told him they hurt them which I presume mean penetrates into adjacent realms.
 

pigfarmer

tall, thin, irritable
The development of nuclear weapons represents a fork in the road phase for species. The destruction of inhabited worlds with such weapons must have played out billions or even trillions of times throughout the universe. There must be universal protocols for dealing with this reoccurring problem. It seems the core problem is its effects on the holographic software that is our reality. When the hydrogen bomb was detonated on Bikini Atoll it created micro-wormholes which can be seen in images of the event.

There was a guest on C2C years ago who claimed aliens contacted him and taught him to disarm nukes. They first appeared on his TV that I believe was unplugged. They told him they hurt them which I presume mean penetrates into adjacent realms.

There are probably many ways a species can extinguish itself and in the vastness of the cosmos there probably many who offed themselves in ways we couldn't have imagined.

Maybe it's the existential fork in the road that's important and not the specific technology.
 

nivek

As Above So Below
Eyewitness testimony and theory do not constitute proof that we have been visited by extraterrestrial civilizations, it's a basis for thinking that it might be happening. That could just as easily be applied to other things that you might not so readily accept.

True, its not absolute 'proof' but it is an indication and evidence that 'something' is going on...What 'other things' are you referring to?...

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