This whole impeachment thing.

So Will it happen? Will they Remove Trump?

  • Yes.

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • No.

    Votes: 12 100.0%

  • Total voters
    12

Sheltie

Fratty and out of touch.
This is bad theater and history will not judge any of it kindly. The rest of the world is laughing at us.
If you watch Fox News or One America, you know that their correspondents are already predicting impeachment support will backfire and many recently elected Dems in congress in Trump districts will pay the price by being defeated. Not sure if this is going to happen. We'll just have to sit back and wait and see. I certainly would not mind seeing Abigail Spanberger get replaced.

 

pigfarmer

tall, thin, irritable
Caught some of the Democratic debate last night. They are rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic. About as exciting as watching a pot of boiled water cool. At some point whoever becomes the chosen candidate will have to climb into a ring with an enraged Wookie ready to pull their arms off. And the Wookie enjoys it.

As lame as it looks DT didn't know how to pull his punches and was actually wailing on McMahon. Fortunately Vince just shrugged it off. Maybe Hillary or Mayor Pete or whoever should think about retaining him as a campaign adviser.

 

pepe

Celestial
Just wanted to comment on Justin Trudeau as being one of the shiniest shits I've ever witnessed breathing.

Guy black faced multiple times and scattered the spotlight by blaming white privilege. Black face doesn't bother me but having to woke up about it as he thinks he has to, he blames something he says we all suffer from.

As the left has here, they will do it to themselves, the protesting and denying are all good signs for another four years and from over the pond it looks as if a black eye is the only thing left.

Pelosi cut the cheering off with a death stare.

Things looking good for a UK/US trade deal which I am looking forward to.

Twinkies and shit all up in my grill.
 

SOUL-DRIFTER

Life Long Researcher
For the record, I don't have a political leaning, Whatever happens, happens, I feel it's idiotic to get irate and argue over such a thing as this, If half the nation has a different opinion than me personally, that's half the nation, it's at least worth respecting. No rather, I worry about Riots and arguments and divisions causing disruption and chaos.

I'm just curious about what the collective thought is. This isn't a politically Bias thing. It's just in most of our lives we have never been this close to seeing a president removed. And The vote is later today.

What do you guys think? Will the Vote be fair? Is the process fair? Will we have someone else in the office before the day is out?

Thoughts? Opinions?
My thoughts are this....Trump has done more to improve things in this country than any other president since Reagan.(no I did not vote for Reagan). He stands for a secure country, a smaller government, an economically sound country and our constitutional rights. I voted for him once and will vote for him again.
This is what troubles me though...Democrats and liberals stand for the total opposite. It is as if the bill of rights, the constitution, our security and the financial integrity of our country means nothing. This is exactly how our off shore enemies think...yet here we have our own countrymen thinking the very same. In my eyes they have become the very enemy within.( I am sorry if I offend anyone here)

The impeachment is not impeachment until Pelosi sends the document over to the senate. She will not do that because she knows it will be killed there. Just what should happen to the Democratic circus act. IMHO
 

Shadowprophet

Truthiness
My thoughts are this....Trump has done more to improve things in this country than any other president since Reagan.(no I did not vote for Reagan). He stands for a secure country, a smaller government, an economically sound country and our constitutional rights. I voted for him once and will vote for him again.
This is what troubles me though...Democrats and liberals stand for the total opposite. It is as if the bill of rights, the constitution, our security and the financial integrity of our country means nothing. This is exactly how our off shore enemies think...yet here we have our own countrymen thinking the very same. In my eyes they have become the very enemy within.( I am sorry if I offend anyone here)

The impeachment is not impeachment until Pelosi sends the document over to the senate. She will not do that because she knows it will be killed there. Just what should happen to the Democratic circus act. IMHO

You have a solid grasp of impeachment, I'm impressed by this, Large and by far, At least on the national scale, Most people tended to think Trump is on his way out because of the house Vote.

Personally, I have mixed feelings when it comes to Trump, I Voted for him originally, And I do very much see him as a strong leader, I don't necessarily agree with all his points, Like, I don't think Americas biggest problem was immigrants from Mexico. I never really supported the wall, My backing for him came in the form that he wasn't afraid to tell other nations where to stick it, and he didn't care to speak for America with power and authority. He let other foreign leaders know what's up. I support that. I don't really care for the way he Acts If that's a gripe I'm allowed to make? I don't feel he has carried the office with a great deal of professionalism, All these arguments he has gotten into with people, Calling them Low I-Q individuals. Calling Rosie Odonnell Fat, I mean, My thing about that is, I feel a President, Should probably be above Basic name-calling, I feel In some ways, It really reflects poorly on the Institution. But, You know, I'm not an outspoken opponent of Trump either, I'm really not very political honestly.
 
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SOUL-DRIFTER

Life Long Researcher
You have a solid grasp of impeachment, I'm impressed by this, Large and by far, At least on the national scale, Most people tended to think Trump is on his way out because of the house Vote.

Personally, I have mixed feelings when it comes to Trump, I Voted for him originally, And I do very much see him as a strong leader, I don't necessarily agree with all his points, Like, I don't think Americas biggest problem was immigrants from Mexico. I never really supported the wall, My backing for him came in the form that he wasn't afraid to tell other nations where to stick it, and he didn't care to speak for America with power and authority. He let other foreign leaders know what's up. I support that. I don't really care for the way he Acts If that's a grip I'm allowed to make? I don't feel he has carried the office with a great deal of professionalism, All these arguments he has gotten into with people, Calling them Low I-Q individuals. Calling Rosie Odonnell Fat, I mean, My thing about that is, I feel a President, Should probably be above Basic name-calling, I feel I'm some ways, It really reflects poorly on the Institution. But, You know, I'm not an outspoken opponent of Trump either, I'm really not very political honestly.

The house cannot remove Trump alone. And Pelosi knows that. She knows the impeachment case is very weak and the senate will kill it. What her and the Democrats are hoping for is that this impeachment show will sway voters enough to keep him from getting voted in for a second term. The real problem is most voters have gotten sick of the impeachment charade and Trumps popularity has gone up, and not down. It has done more to help him. Now the Democrats are worried their efforts may have backfired.

Trump simply does not sit back and take the nasty criticism. He calls a spade, a spade. He is not one to follow the "politically correct" agenda. Maybe sometimes he goes overboard, but look at the crap they have accuse him of for the last 4 years. I respect those that can be brutally honest or shoves the shit right back.
 
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Shadowprophet

Truthiness
The house cannot remove Trump alone. And Pelosi knows that. She3 knows the impeachment case is very weak and the senate will kill it. What her and the

Oh yeah, Not only will the senate stop it, for the senate to impeach trump it would have to be a majority two-thirds vote, which just isn't going to happen in the primarily Republican Senate.
 
My thoughts are this....Trump has done more to improve things in this country than any other president since Reagan.(no I did not vote for Reagan). He stands for a secure country, a smaller government, an economically sound country and our constitutional rights.
How can anyone who has seen the disintegration of America for the last 40-50 years delude themself into thinking that anything is getting better in this country under any of our totally corrupt presidents or Congresses?

This is why things are only going to keep getting worse, while half of our population is now either poor or in poverty: people allied to either the Republicans or the Democrats still think that we the people have allies in Washington. Nothing could be farther from the truth. The corporations and the billionaires have seized complete control of all levers of power in this country, and the people now have no significant influence over policy making. This has actually been empirically proven by this 2014 Princeton study on US policy making:

https://scholar.princeton.edu/sites...testing_theories_of_american_politics.doc.pdf

This is what troubles me though...Democrats and liberals stand for the total opposite. It is as if the bill of rights, the constitution, our security and the financial integrity of our country means nothing. This is exactly how our off shore enemies think...yet here we have our own countrymen thinking the very same. In my eyes they have become the very enemy within.( I am sorry if I offend anyone here)
You've been just as brainwashed by the right-wing media, as the Democrats who think that Trump is some kind of Russian asset.

Both parties have been corrupting and eroding all of our rights, the meaning of the Constitution, our national security, and financial regulations, for decades. Our elections are little more than auctions, so regardless of which "side" wins any given election, the rich and powerful have only acquired more riches and more power. Where do they get those riches and powers from? Us.

So at this point our own government is spying on all of us all the time, our military budget is bloated beyond imagination while we wage endless mass murder operations abroad that only create more enemies all over the world, the Supreme Court has created unlimited corruption in our electoral process by opening the floodgates to bribes in the form of political "contributions," legitimate whistleblowers face jail and torture, both sides of the corporate news media are merely control systems pushing two brands of propaganda to keep us misinformed and emotionally overwrought over constant distractions, our entire manufacturing infrastructure and most of our jobs market have been exported overseas by corporate profiteers, the land, water and air are all horribly polluted with carcinogens, people have to risk bankruptcy to get a higher education or a major medical procedure, and the only things America is #1 in, is in imprisonment and defense spending.

I don't know what kind of blinders somebody needs in order to miss all of these very troubling and escalating problems, but I'm glad I don't own a pair.

The impeachment is not impeachment until Pelosi sends the document over to the senate. She will not do that because she knows it will be killed there. Just what should happen to the Democratic circus act. IMHO
Yeah the only people who don't seem to see through this farce are the soulless husks who run the Democratic party, like Pelosi and Schumer and Schiff etc. - the kind of people who had no problem with rigging the 2016 primary and plan on doing it again, because both parties now represent billionaire sociopaths like Jeff Bezos, which is why you probably paid more in taxes last year than Amazon (who paid nothing to the IRS on $11.2 billion in profits last year).

If thinking people can't see how totally screwed the people of America are right now, then nothing can be done about it. And that's the biggest problem of all - most people on both "sides" of the political spectrum still think that there are politicians in Washington looking out for them. I'd laugh if it weren't so disturbing.
 

Kchoo

At Peace.
People also need to realize they do not need big government to have a community.

A community can pull together and create their own systems by simply choosing not to be led around like sheep.

We can change things, simply by doing what works at the smaller community level.

But to do that, we need to ignore all the "We will fix it" bullshit from the top. It isn't up to them.
 
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People also need to realize they do not need big government to have a community.

A community can pull together and create their own systems by simply choosing not to be led around like sheep.

We can change things, simply by doing what works at the smaller community level.

But to do that, we need to ignore all the "We will fix it" bullshit from the top. It isn't up to them.
I'm sorry Kchoo, but that's outlandishly naive - economic systems are governed by the rules, and when those rules are written by the elites and for the elites, then the conditions are set to funnel money upward to the elites and nothing we can do at the grass-roots level will change that.

Perhaps a simple analogy will help to clarify. The basis of a vibrant and equitable economy is fair competition, like a football game where everyone has to play by the same rules. Now imagine that one team, The Elites, gets to write the rules. So they write a rule like "The playing field will be tilted 45 degrees, with The Elites at the top, and The People at the bottom." So now we have to play uphill, and they get to run downhill, to score points. What's going to happen? The Elites are going to win every game, because the playing field is skewed. That's what's happened. Except the playing field is titled about 90 degrees now - there's almost no way left to compete with the multinational corporations that pay no taxes, can draw on labor pools and materials resources anywhere in the world, and write the rules to penalize you for trying to compete with them.

This is why revolutions happen; ignoring the domination of the few upon the many doesn't make it go away. And when people figure out that the only way they're going to have a fighting chance is by collecting some heads and seizing control of the government away from the few and returning it to the control of the many, then that's what they end up doing.
 

Shadowprophet

Truthiness
I'm sorry Kchoo, but that's outlandishly naive - economic systems are governed by the rules, and when those rules are written by the elites and for the elites, then the conditions are set to funnel money upward to the elites and nothing we can do at the grass-roots level will change that.

This is why revolutions happen; ignoring the domination of the few upon the many doesn't make it go away. And when people figure out that the only way they're going to have a fighting chance is by collecting some heads, then that's what they end up doing.

See, I think that's what's kind of wrong with society, I'm not accusing you or Kchoo here, The problem is, Everyone to a certain extent is indoctrinated or even Grommed into their political views. It's hard to discuss politics with anyone without having to debate the entirety of a political viewpoint. Which almost always falls perfectly in line with a party alignment.

My thing is, I see the whole thing differently from most people, I think all of politics are a puppet show to keep people confused and pacified, It's really the same as it's always been throughout history, The greedy "Haves" VS and exploiting the "Have not's" They can twist it up into confusion political factions and people can debate the finite intricacies of party alignment, But the Ungodly Rich still Control the entire world and everything the common man does by law. I keep saying we are all sheep, But truthfully. It's not even fun to say, because knowing we have no power or control over our country that it's controlled by the greed of the wealthy.

People just don't realize, To the Government, We mean less than nothing. We don't matter to any of those fat privileged corrupt politicians. I don't know that we ever did.
 

Kchoo

At Peace.
I'm sorry Kchoo, but that's outlandishly naive - economic systems are governed by the rules, and when those rules are written by the elites and for the elites, then the conditions are set to funnel money upward to the elites and nothing we can do at the grass-roots level will change that.

Perhaps a simple analogy will help to clarify. The basis of a vibrant and equitable economy is fair competition, like a football game where everyone has to play by the same rules. Now imagine that one team, The Elites, gets to write the rules. So they write a rule like "The playing field will be tilted 45 degrees, with The Elites at the top, and The People at the bottom." So now we have to play uphill, and they get to run downhill, to score points. What's going to happen? The Elites are going to win every game, because the playing field is skewed. That's what's happened. Except the playing field is titled about 90 degrees now - there's almost no way left to compete with the multinational corporations that pay no taxes, can draw on labor pools and materials resources anywhere in the world, and write the rules to penalize you for trying to compete with them.

This is why revolutions happen; ignoring the domination of the few upon the many doesn't make it go away. And when people figure out that the only way they're going to have a fighting chance is by collecting some heads and seizing control of the government away from the few and returning it to the control of the many, then that's what they end up doing.

No, it is not naive to say that proper government works from the bottom up.

The adherance to the belief that the top has all the power is the distorted reality that even you have accepted.

Revolution in the form of tossing out the government is not the solution.

Doing what works, means pulling together as a people from the bottom up, to make our own systems of community cooperation... bypassing the dependency on Big Governance.

It can work, but it means people need to become more community oriented instead of adhering to the "woe is me but I dont want to work for anything" mentality.
 

pigfarmer

tall, thin, irritable
Revolution in the form of tossing out the government is not the solution.

Lately 'revolution' is represented by militia idiots taking over federal land & facilities - because that's going to change things and stuff.

The government we have now is what we're going to get for the foreseeable future. Even if we could wave a wand and make drastic changes the corrupt and self-serving would just morph and find a new home under a new system.

The catshit nasty taint of current politics is the same old same old thing it's always been amplified by virtually instantaneous communications. The world is a stage and it's literally at your fingertips. We shop at a buffet of information and pick and choose what we find agreeable, and then throw the remainder at one another.
 
See, I think that's what's kind of wrong with society, I'm not accusing you or Kchoo here, The problem is, Everyone to a certain extent is indoctrinated or even Grommed into their political views. It's hard to discuss politics with anyone without having to debate the entirety of a political viewpoint. Which almost always falls perfectly in line with a party alignment.
I made it clear that the whole system is corrupt so I don't see how you can accuse me of any "party alignment."

My thing is, I see the whole thing differently from most people, I think all of politics are a puppet show to keep people confused and pacified, It's really the same as it's always been throughout history, The greedy "Haves" VS and exploiting the "Have not's" They can twist it up into confusion political factions and people can debate the finite intricacies of party alignment, But the Ungodly Rich still Control the entire world and everything the common man does by law. I keep saying we are all sheep, But truthfully. It's not even fun to say, because knowing we have no power or control over our country that it's controlled by the greed of the wealthy.

People just don't realize, To the Government, We mean less than nothing. We don't matter to any of those fat privileged corrupt politicians. I don't know that we ever did.
How is that different than what I've said?

No, it is not naive to say that proper government works from the bottom up.

The adherence to the belief that the top has all the power is the distorted reality that even you have accepted.
Of course government is supposed to work from the bottom up. But that's not the reality today because the entire system has been twisted to serve the elites, and only the elites. Right now the top has all of the power and that's a proven empirical fact, supported by legitimate scientific study as I cited previously.

The only way we can take our power back, that I can see anyway, is a revolution.

Revolution in the form of tossing out the government is not the solution.
That's exactly what they want you to think. But it's a fantasy. Freedom isn't given; it's taken.

Doing what works, means pulling together as a people from the bottom up, to make our own systems of community cooperation... bypassing the dependency on Big Governance.
Government makes the rules, and whether you like it or not, you're forced to play by those rules. If you want to change those rules, then you have zero power to do so right now. And that's not going to change without a massive national insurrection. That's the truth of all of human history.

It can work, but it means people need to become more community oriented instead of adhering to the "woe is me but I dont want to work for anything" mentality.
There it is, the insipid "lift yourself up by your bootstraps" propaganda (which has been disseminated by the elites for at least a century now). It's contrary to physical law that one can "lift oneself up by your bootstraps."

Half of the country isn't poor or in poverty for lack of trying. Americans work harder than anyone in the developed world - many people have 2 or 3 jobs just to survive.

Your argument is just another banal "blame the poor for being poor" logical fallacy. Poverty in the US hasn't skyrocketed because people stopped busting their asses to get ahead; poverty in America has skyrocketed because the entire economy has been rigged to make the rich richer, and the poor poorer, as our jobs and opportunities got exported abroad. The proof of this is all around you. It's shocking that it's not obvious to everyone, but that's what the corporate news media is for - programming people to believe that they still have opportunity even when they don't, so they blame themselves for their struggles rather than the sociopaths running the show.
 

Shadowprophet

Truthiness
I made it clear that the whole system is corrupt so I don't see how you can accuse me of any "party alignment."


How is that different than what I've said?


Of course government is supposed to work from the bottom up. But that's not the reality today because the entire system has been twisted to serve the elites, and only the elites. Right now the top has all of the power and that's a proven empirical fact, supported by legitimate scientific study as I cited previously.

The only way we can take our power back, that I can see anyway, is a revolution.


That's exactly what they want you to think. But it's a fantasy. Freedom isn't given; it's taken.


Government makes the rules, and whether you like it or not, you're forced to play by those rules. If you want to change those rules, then you have zero power to do so right now. And that's not going to change without a massive national insurrection. That's the truth of all of human history.


There it is, the insipid "lift yourself up by your bootstraps" propaganda (which has been disseminated by the elites for at least a century now). It's contrary to physical law that one can "lift oneself up by your bootstraps."

Half of the country isn't poor or in poverty for lack of trying. Americans work harder than anyone in the developed world - many people have 2 or 3 jobs just to survive.

Your argument is just another banal "blame the poor for being poor" logical fallacy. Poverty in the US hasn't skyrocketed because people stopped busting their asses to get ahead; poverty in America has skyrocketed because the entire economy has been rigged to make the rich richer, and the poor poorer, as our jobs and opportunities got exported abroad. The proof of this is all around you. It's shocking that it's not obvious to everyone, but that's what the corporate news media is for - programming people to believe that they still have opportunity even when they don't, so they blame themselves for their struggles rather than the sociopaths running the show.

I even said I wasn't accusing anyone of anything, Political discussion is the kind of thing that breeds division by its nature. From the time Someone comments, They must pick a viewpoint and defend it, Notice the defensive nature? This is why I like to remain politically neutral, It affords me the vantage point of being able to agree with both my friends here without having to divisively argue points. The nature of political discussion wreaks of arguments and bitterness, It's just not for me bro.
 

Shadowprophet

Truthiness
And I know, in light of that, It's ironic that I started a thread about politics. That was never the intention. Scouts honor x18 <---- Boobs, Because from my experience, Boobs make everything better
 

Kchoo

At Peace.
I made it clear that the whole system is corrupt so I don't see how you can accuse me of any "party alignment."


How is that different than what I've said?


Of course government is supposed to work from the bottom up. But that's not the reality today because the entire system has been twisted to serve the elites, and only the elites. Right now the top has all of the power and that's a proven empirical fact, supported by legitimate scientific study as I cited previously.

The only way we can take our power back, that I can see anyway, is a revolution.


That's exactly what they want you to think. But it's a fantasy. Freedom isn't given; it's taken.


Government makes the rules, and whether you like it or not, you're forced to play by those rules. If you want to change those rules, then you have zero power to do so right now. And that's not going to change without a massive national insurrection. That's the truth of all of human history.


There it is, the insipid "lift yourself up by your bootstraps" propaganda (which has been disseminated by the elites for at least a century now). It's contrary to physical law that one can "lift oneself up by your bootstraps."

Half of the country isn't poor or in poverty for lack of trying. Americans work harder than anyone in the developed world - many people have 2 or 3 jobs just to survive.

Your argument is just another banal "blame the poor for being poor" logical fallacy. Poverty in the US hasn't skyrocketed because people stopped busting their asses to get ahead; poverty in America has skyrocketed because the entire economy has been rigged to make the rich richer, and the poor poorer, as our jobs and opportunities got exported abroad. The proof of this is all around you. It's shocking that it's not obvious to everyone, but that's what the corporate news media is for - programming people to believe that they still have opportunity even when they don't, so they blame themselves for their struggles rather than the sociopaths running the show.
Overthrowig govenments is also proven to only perprtuate the same cycle over and over... maybe there is a better way?

Maybe we can mature to the point where we simply say no, and simply do what works.

Theses sociopaths as you say, wont benefit from what we wont give them.
 

pigfarmer

tall, thin, irritable
There it is, the insipid "lift yourself up by your bootstraps"

Not insipid at all to say that you can benefit from your own labor, however you like to put it. Many do - I certainly did. I was an obese high school dropout on welfare at one point in my life and worked my ass off to get out of poverty, earn an education and have a career, a life, a home. Not fancy but all mine.

The opposite side of that coin is reserved to those who feel they are owed something by life in general and the government specifically. Some people are legitimate victims. Most who feel that way aren't.
 
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