Deadly Wuhan Coronavirus

Shadowprophet

Truthiness
nobody is laughing at preppers now :)

so the only people who will survive will be ultra-conservative ones :-(
To be fair, Yeah, Those preppers still need a good scorning, They raided store selves and took everything but Soap, I mean, there is no way people can justify the panic by asserting it was intellectually sound, lol I mean, someone can wipe their ass with a newspaper if necessary, But they left the soap. lol
 

Shadowprophet

Truthiness
nobody is laughing at preppers now :)

so the only people who will survive will be ultra-conservative ones :-(
No, it's not that bad, People think this is an apocalypse. I promise you, This time next year. Most of us will still be here,

Wait and see.
 

Shadowprophet

Truthiness
Just noticed a disturbing change in the official number of infections in my area:

March 17

"There are now 136 diagnosed cases of COVID-19 in the state of Louisiana, with 94 of those in New Orleans alone, one of the hottest spots in the nation."
Louisiana Coronavirus Updates: 3rd death from virus; business closings expand

March 18

"Coronavirus in Louisiana: Now 280 COVID-19 cases in state, 196 in New Orleans"

This is what epidemiologists mean when they talk about "exponential spread" - when infections from a contagion double every day (or even every two or three days), it doesn't take long for an entire nation of hundreds of millions of people to become infected. Gauging from the rapid acceleration of new cases in the US, we've gone from being about two weeks behind Italy, to being about 8 days behind Italy.

It's also important to bear in mind that the official cases lag the actual cases by about eight days (and most infections go unreported because most people only get mild symptoms that don't require professional medical intervention), and at this point it's reasonable to assume that the official numbers multiplied by about 1000 will give a fairly accurate estimate of the actual number of people who are infected right now without even knowing it, because they haven't shown symptoms yet.

Let's see what this means if we extrapolate forward. About one week ago, the Ohio Department of Health Director estimated that 1% of the US population was infected. Let's estimate conservatively and double this number each week to see where it's heading:

-1 week: 1%
+0 week: 2% (today)
+1 week: 4%
+2 weeks: 8%
+3 weeks: 16%
+4 weeks: 32%
+5 weeks: 64%

That's pretty alarming - at this rate the virus could infect the entire country by May 1st, unless we take drastic action to keep people from coming into contact with other people and their infectious sneezes, coughs, and their mucosal residues left behind on doorknobs, handles, countertops, tables, etc.

Amidst all the fear and panic, Don't forget. Covid 19 is more or less a very severe Flu, People can scream no it's not. But, Yes. The Flu is a coronavirus, Sars is a coronavirus, Covid 19 is a coronavirus. They all can cause respiratory distress and pneumonia, So The deal is, There is a good even a high survival rate. I know you know this. Just remember not to forget that during the panic phases. Because this pandemic is going to get worse. So it's good and even pleasant To Remember there are some positives to all the darkness. Or at least some light at the end of the tunnel.
 

Shadowprophet

Truthiness
CDC analysis shows coronavirus poses a serious risk for young people


I think this particular news article is a bunch of bullshit. They are trying to frighten millennials into keeping social distance to prevent spread, We already have a lot of analytics about the Coronavirus that says that this almost never infects children.
 
Amidst all the fear and panic, Don't forget. Covid 19 is more or less a very severe Flu, People can scream no it's not. But, Yes. The Flu is a coronavirus, Sars is a coronavirus, Covid 19 is a coronavirus. They all can cause respiratory distress and pneumonia, So The deal is, There is a good even a high survival rate. I know you know this. Just remember not to forget that during the panic phases. Because this pandemic is going to get worse. So it's good and even pleasant To Remember there are some positives to all the darkness. Or at least some light at the end of the tunnel.
Sure, but I'd feel a whole lot better about this if my 78-year-old mother with two underlying conditions wasn't in the 25% fatality category.

And even though this virus is very unlikely to kill those of us under 60, it sounds like a really miserable experience to catch this thing. I can't get a clear picture yet of the percentage of people who get it and only get mild symptoms - how do you estimate the percentage of people who only get mild cold-like symptoms if they don't go to a hospital or get tested? And I'm seeing estimates like 50-70% of the population becoming infected before this is over. The last flu that I had hit me like a train - and this thing is 20-30 times more deadly. All I know for sure is that millions of people will get very sick, and any one of us could be among them - most of us under 60 will come out the other side, but it will still be a long and dark tunnel for those who get the severe symptoms. And I'm starting to see headlines about permanent lung damage for those who survive the worst cases...I guess that'll be my miserable research project tomorrow, looking into those claims.
 

pigfarmer

tall, thin, irritable
Navy dispatches two hospital ships - Comfort and Mercy - to New York City and along the West Coast to ease strain on medical facilities for non-coronavirus patients

Two Navy ships - the USNS Comfort and the USNS Mercy - are being turned into huge floating hospitals to help treat the wave of coronavirus patients who will need care when hospitals become overwhelmed but they won't be ready for weeks as military medical staff are scrambled to fill them.

The ships provide 1,000 beds each but it is unclear whether they will bring other crucial supplies, like ventilators and surgical masks. They will both be manned by Navy personnel and will house non-coronavirus patients, leaving the city's hospitals free to take in those who have tested positive for COVID-19.

In the aftermath of the 9/11 attacks in 2001, the Comfort was dispatched to New York City where it provided medical treatment to some first responders at ground zero. In the week after its arrival, it provided food and shelter to 10,000 relief workers who were tasked with working at the disaster zone.

It is unclear where the Mercy will be docked. President Trump said on Wednesday that he had not yet decided where it will be stationed but it will be somewhere along the West Coast, possibly San Diego.


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I got a bit alarmed when I heard that. Comfort is undergoing maintenance right now and won't be here for a while.

Trump deploying hospital ships to coronavirus hot zones
 

pigfarmer

tall, thin, irritable
Yes, it is, And more layoffs are incoming.

I'm not aware of any layoffs - yet anyway. At least locally employers have been totally decent about this - I've got the better part of the next three weeks off with pay.

Preppers are part of the damned problem right now. This is the ammo hoarding of 2008 writ large - we have the same amount of supply but the demand skyrocketed. That might change if enough get sick to make the supply chain falter and that's the hysteria.

Around here the food stores, gas stations, banks, even many retailers are open with reduced hours, staff and the use of drive thru is encouraged. Personally I stay the hell away from fast food in the first place but I see the lines at McDonald's jammed full - some depend on that slop to survive anyway. Yeech.

The trains, buses and subways are still working - although largely empty. Right now I don't have it, don't know of anybody who has it and don't know of anybody who actually knows anybody who has it. I'm not downplaying this at all - I'm locked down taking it all very seriously. There are no lack of infection and death estimates, how bad things might be, but at least for the moment I'm not seeing any of that. I know that can change but I'm just following the guidelines we've been given and keeping the TV off until evening, then turning on C-Span.

Enough of the garbage coming out of the cablenewsfotainment orifices.
 

Shadowprophet

Truthiness
I'm not aware of any layoffs - yet anyway. At least locally employers have been totally decent about this - I've got the better part of the next three weeks off with pay.

Preppers are part of the damned problem right now. This is the ammo hoarding of 2008 writ large - we have the same amount of supply but the demand skyrocketed. That might change if enough get sick to make the supply chain falter and that's the hysteria.

Around here the food stores, gas stations, banks, even many retailers are open with reduced hours, staff and the use of drive thru is encouraged. Personally I stay the hell away from fast food in the first place but I see the lines at McDonald's jammed full - some depend on that slop to survive anyway. Yeech.

The trains, buses and subways are still working - although largely empty. Right now I don't have it, don't know of anybody who has it and don't know of anybody who actually knows anybody who has it. I'm not downplaying this at all - I'm locked down taking it all very seriously. There are no lack of infection and death estimates, how bad things might be, but at least for the moment I'm not seeing any of that. I know that can change but I'm just following the guidelines we've been given and keeping the TV off until evening, then turning on C-Span.

Enough of the garbage coming out of the cablenewsfotainment orifices.
Layoff may have been the wrong word. I was speaking about that urge to work from the home thing they have been promoting. I suppose that's not literally a layoff. People still get paid. So this is one of those rare times when I will admit to being wrong lol, Enjoy it, It happens more than I will admit too, ;)
 

Kchoo

At Peace.
Ok, so we are in a real pickle here.

We think we can't let life continue as normal cuz too many sick people will overwhelm the medical systems.

But a complete shutdown of downtown restraunts. Locks on the doors... isn't that over reacting? That puts economics down the tubes and only prolongs an inevitable spread that will overwhelm the medical systems anyway.

There is not much to do but let the virus run its course, slow it down if we can by simply washing hands and social distancing... but don't shut it all down.
 

Shadowprophet

Truthiness
Ok, so we are in a real pickle here.

We think we can't let life continue as normal cuz too many sick people will overwhelm the medical systems.

But a complete shutdown of downtown restraunts. Locks on the doors... isn't that over reacting? That puts economics down the tubes and only prolongs an inevitable spread that will overwhelm the medical systems anyway.

There is not much to do but let the virus run its course, slow it down if we can by simply washing hands and social distancing... but don't shut it all down.
Well, It's like a relationship with a high maintenance woman. We can't pretend it's normal, And at that same time, we can't go about our lives as if things are normal. We have to do what we can to prevent spread and protect those around us. And yet we can't stop living our lives, Not until they Put us on quarantine lockdown, I'm sure most of us have families to provide for.

People want to Urge others to continue their normal lives. But those are truly just comfort words. There is nothing normal about the current change in working environments and an ever-looming death threat from an invisible enemy.
Psychology, Ironically enough was one of my majors. I know right? For a man that has mental breakdowns to major in psychology.

The truth is. We give people comfort by telling them to live your normal life, But maintain this distance, And lather yourselves in sanitizers and be ready for the situation to turn dire. The truth is, The pickle is, people want Normal, People need Normal, So we tell them, These things we have to do help prevent spread and then to go out and do everything cautiously and differently than before.

Truthfully, brother, Things are not normal. My deepest worry is though, This, What we are experiencing right now, Could become the new normal. That's when the real pickles start flying.
 

pigfarmer

tall, thin, irritable
work from the home

I am sort of hoping that's a genie that won't be stuffed back in the bottle. I used to work remotely whenever possible - virtualization made my physical presence unnecessary. I took a boatload of online classes. too Good stuff there. You get out of it what you put into it.

With ubiquitous broadband access I think it makes a lot of sense for the types of jobs that lend themselves to it. Not all do. Reduces traffic, fuel usage, all sorts of things.
 

Shadowprophet

Truthiness
I have one right now. My mother-in-law. The real reason Comfort was dispatched to New York harbor was to shut her up and tend to he every last whim.
Just the fact that you get along with your mother in law is a Miracle, My mother in law, Literally can not stand me.

I mean Truly. How lucky one must be to have a Mother in law that can tolerate them, If I literally died, I doubt mine would come to my funeral. No kidding.

My problem is, I don't know if people can get this from my personality, I can't stand Snobs. Like at all, There is no reason that someone should act superior to others. So my Wifes mother is very wealthy and very snobby, She started in on me once about how much money I had, Which isn't nearly as much as her. And I called her a Snobby Bitch, "yes to her face." I stand by that decision till this day. I'll never take that back. in retrospect, It wasn't my most shiny moment for intellect. However, It's what I truly feel in my soul, To say anything else to her other than that she was a snobby bitch would have been me Lying from the very depth of my essence. ...


Yes in case you are wondering, It did lead to many initial arguments and problems with Sam and me, We worked that out. Mostly.
 
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pigfarmer

tall, thin, irritable
Just the fact that you get along with your mother in law is a Miracle, My mother in law, Literally can not stand me.

I mean Truly. How lucky one must be to have a Mother in law that can tolerate them, If I literally died, I doubt mine would come to my funeral. No kidding.

My problem is, I don't know if people can get this from my personality, I can't stand Snobs. Like at all, There is no reason that someone should act superior to others. So my Wifes mother is very wealthy and very snobby, She started in on me once about how much money I had, Which isn't nearly as much as her. And I called her a Snobby Bitch, "yes to her face." I stand by that decision till this day. I'll never take that back. in retrospect, It wasn't my most shiny moment for intellect. However, It's what I truly feel in my soul, To say anything else to her other than that she was a snobby bitch would have been me Lying from the very depth of my essence. ...

My MIL can be very sweet, is intelligent and has a sense of humor. I used to think up the filthiest jokes imaginable to hit her with and she loved them. Unfortunately she's other things too and as it relates to this pandemic she insists that her two daughters expose themselves for no good reason. Real help is fine - indulgence is not.

Probably an object lesson on there for all of us - deal with the problem we actually have and try to keep the hyperbole to a minimum.
 

Shadowprophet

Truthiness
My MIL can be very sweet, is intelligent and has a sense of humor. I used to think up the filthiest jokes imaginable to hit her with and she loved them. Unfortunately she's other things too and as it relates to this pandemic she insists that her two daughters expose themselves for no good reason. Real help is fine - indulgence is not.

Probably an object lesson on there for all of us - deal with the problem we actually have and try to keep the hyperbole to a minimum.
That Has to be Awesome, Bro, You are lucky in that regard. I would love it if I and mine could get along. I may need to work on myself, I just, I just can't stand people who are wealth snobs like sams mom, It's a weird button I have..

I do know, that overall it would be better if I could get along with her. It's not the money, It's the personality conflict. To get along with her, I would have to change into a snob and verbally trash people based on their financial situation. In short, I'd have to sell my soul completely to get that woman's respect.

And yes, Sam is kind of like her mom, but not nearly as extreme, However, having spent several years around me now, Sam has come to understand, I grew up in poverty, I didn't get any wealth till I was in my twenties. I used to call crackers and mustard dinner. I will never as long as I live look down my nose at people who don't have money. Because the only thing money really is, is a measure of comfort. it literally determines nothing about the quality of someone's soul. And I truly believe sam understands that :)
 
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Finland has a new problem. Tough our government has adviced strongly that seniors over 70 should not move from their home, they still do it in large numbers and go to public places and gatherings and dont give a hoot. Many of them dont care how they die and when, but care when their freedom is taken away. Curfews may follow if this continues.
 
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