Did Steven Greer fake a UFO with flares?

It has to make you wonder about an emergency room doctor who leaves the medical field and takes on the wacky world of UFOs. He has said and done so many crazy, stupid things and yet there are plenty of people who will follow him and hand over their money to him as well.
I wouldn't want that whackadoodle working on me! I don't think there is any documentation of his medical work, at least none publicly available. There was a very interesting deconstruction of his medical bona fides and such things by someone who claimed to know what he was talking about, on the Paracast forum years ago. Might still be there. I couldn't find last time I looked, but then it was a bit like looking for turd flavored Pop Tarts at Walmart. I didn't stay long.

Years ago, I sought treatment for a back problem from a guy who was both a chiropractor and a massage therapist. He had his office in his home, two blocks from mine. He was odd but he did help me quite a lot. I got pretty much the same thing there that I got from my normal doc except the nasty drugs, and it was a lot more convenient. Anyway, along about the second session, he started talking about UFOs and such. I did my usual thing in such situations, which is to not say much beyond "I wouldn't be terribly surprised" or "Hmm. That's interesting". After hearing what some stranger has to say, I decide whether I want to engage them on the topic. Saves a lot of nonsense. He brought up Greer, and I bit my tongue. The guy was obviously impressed that "and emergency room doc" was saying all this far out stuff. I kept up my George Noory imitation.

Greer is a pest. A nuisance. A fraud and a creep. He probably deserves to be SDM's cellmate.
 

Dejan Corovic

As above, so bellow
Steven Greer

A classic UFO Watchdog article (c) by Royce Myers, III

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Reportedly plagiarizes the UFO work of others and sells as his own, sells do-it-yourself ET contact kits - now you too can steer in extraterrestrial spacecraft with a flashlight and never record them just like Doc Greer does. Made claims of contacting extraterrestrials through meditation. Claimed that U.S. military forces attacked a Colorado ET base inside a mountain using nerve gas, no evidence to back claim. Had dinner with CIA Director and spun tale of having briefed CIA Director about ETs for hours. Hosted press conference with credible UFO witnesses on Capitol Hill - ruined it and his own credibility by selling the work of others with his name on it and using bogus witnesses. Allegedly attempted to charge Washington State MUFON members $2500.00 each to demonstrate how he can vector in UFOs - Greer got to choose the location and the time...mmmmmm.

"Well, I've known of him (and occasionally debated him on the radio) for years, and he's always been bonkers. Two weeks after he claimed we had a 'secret detection', he was telling radio audiences that when Neil Armstrong stepped out on the moon in 1969, he was surrounded by alien spacecraft!"

--SETI's Seth Shostak in an e-mail responding to the wild claims of Steven Greer.

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Maybe he's just delusional?
 

pigfarmer

tall, thin, irritable
It has to make you wonder about an emergency room doctor who leaves the medical field and takes on the wacky world of UFOs. He has said and done so many crazy, stupid things and yet there are plenty of people who will follow him and hand over their money to him as well.

good work if you can get it
 

pigfarmer

tall, thin, irritable
I don't think there is any documentation of his medical work, at least none publicly available.

Another case of a credential that is supposed to add credibility. If he's an ER doc then more power to him but I'd point out that we seek seconds opinions from doctors regularly. Maybe because the person who graduates medical school last is still called 'doctor.'

And if he's the best ER doc in the whole wide world what does that have to do with aliens, space ships and all that? Why would he have any more knowledge about that than I do?

Ahhh. What if it were an astronaut or fighter pilot, right? Well yes, you would expect such a person to have a technical background, be steady in stressful situations and (maybe) be an expert on aircraft, sensors, etc.

But we're all people first. Example:

BS in Engineering from the US Naval Academy
MS in Aeronautical Engineering and Astronautical Engineering from the US Navy Post-grad School
US Navy Test Pilot school
Naval flight officer, rank of Captain, 1500+ hours in over 30 aircraft types.
NASA Astronaut, flight engineer on one Shuttle mission

And on and on. Impressive, right? Now if this person started talking UFOs you'd listen, right? And you might be correct to listen if they were describing an an encounter. But their expertise is still relative and a fairly narrow slice and if that's what they are speaking about then great. But speculating beyond that sort of puts us all on a level playing field.

Here's the rest of the story with this impressive person. Anybody can go nuts, be a little nutty, emotionally unstable, have an agenda. Human s**t.

https://www.biography.com/news/lisa-nowak-lucy-in-the-sky

Tainted Love: The Astronaut Love Triangle That Led to Adult Diapers and Battery

Former NASA Astronaut Lisa Nowak Expelled from Navy | Space
 

Standingstones

Celestial
Lisa Nowak held the rank of Captain in the Navy. She was married with three children. She lost her marbles over an affair she was having. The sad part was she basically lost everything. She was bounced from the Navy with a reduced rank. Her husband divorced her shortly after she was arrested. It actually could have been worse.

The prosecutors wanted her charged with attempted murder. All that hard career work was pissed away after she assaulted the other woman in the love triangle.
 

pigfarmer

tall, thin, irritable
Lisa Nowak held the rank of Captain in the Navy. She was married with three children. She lost her marbles over an affair she was having. The sad part was she basically lost everything. She was bounced from the Navy with a reduced rank. Her husband divorced her shortly after she was arrested. It actually could have been worse.

The prosecutors wanted her charged with attempted murder. All that hard career work was pissed away after she assaulted the other woman in the love triangle.

Well, like I said, human first and everything else after. Greer probably is getting his ego stroked by all this, and making money to boot. You would logically think that his medical career would come first, but as Spock pointed out - logic is only the beginning of understanding.

Not to ignite a fire here, but I was thinking of Fravor. I believe his description and respect his expert opinion about aircraft performance, military procedures, all of that. Not questioning the encounter(s) or any of that. I believe them. It's just that watching him sit with Bob Lazar and Jeremy Corbell make me think the human side of him could be a bit more discerning. I guess like Elizondo he's not steeped in ufology. But still, if you're going to put yourself on an international stage .... geeez.
 

Standingstones

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Well, like I said, human first and everything else after. Greer probably is getting his ego stroked by all this, and making money to boot. You would logically think that his medical career would come first, but as Spock pointed out - logic is only the beginning of understanding.

Not to ignite a fire here, but I was thinking of Fravor. I believe his description and respect his expert opinion about aircraft performance, military procedures, all of that. Not questioning the encounter(s) or any of that. I believe them. It's just that watching him sit with Bob Lazar and Jeremy Corbell make me think the human side of him could be a bit more discerning. I guess like Elizondo he's not steeped in ufology. But still, if you're going to put yourself on an international stage .... geeez.
It’s true. If you are going to park your fanny next to the most controversial guy in the UFO field, you better be ready for some blowback. Fravor had to know who Lazar was. Maybe that was all Corbell’s doing, having Lazar along for the ride.
 
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Rick Hunter

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I can believe that Greer had good intentions when he got started back in the 90's but that has long since passed. He is now probably anathema to the medical profession and has to replace that income with what he can get from being a UFO carnival barker.
 

pigfarmer

tall, thin, irritable
I can believe that Greer had good intentions when he got started back in the 90's but that has long since passed. He is now probably anathema to the medical profession and has to replace that income with what he can get from being a UFO carnival barker.

If your could render Greer - actually put him in a big pot and boil him to pieces you'd eventually get to some weird little bits rolling around the bottom- and they would be the reasons he's a UFO entertainer. Those would be his plugins whether it's attention, money, all the hot chicks. Whatever. Usually it's the first and everything after that is a crap shoot. Greer apparently figured out how to get some $$ out of it. Not all do.

But you'd find out those same bits inside Phil Imbrogno, Stanton Friedman, Deep Prasad, Eric Davis, Tom DeLonge, Lazar, Corbell, Knapp and on and on and on. When I see Fravor rubbing elbows with that ilk I hope it's just plain ignorance of the topic and those who infest it but I just don't know. He doesn't seem to mind the attention. I wonder the same thing about Elizondo. This gig is probably paying well enough for a guy in his (guessing) 50s in his post-government service career that seems to be long on entertainment and a bit lacking in other respects.
 

Standingstones

Celestial
If your could render Greer - actually put him in a big pot and boil him to pieces you'd eventually get to some weird little bits rolling around the bottom- and they would be the reasons he's a UFO entertainer. Those would be his plugins whether it's attention, money, all the hot chicks. Whatever. Usually it's the first and everything after that is a crap shoot. Greer apparently figured out how to get some $$ out of it. Not all do.

But you'd find out those same bits inside Phil Imbrogno, Stanton Friedman, Deep Prasad, Eric Davis, Tom DeLonge, Lazar, Corbell, Knapp and on and on and on. When I see Fravor rubbing elbows with that ilk I hope it's just plain ignorance of the topic and those who infest it but I just don't know. He doesn't seem to mind the attention. I wonder the same thing about Elizondo. This gig is probably paying well enough for a guy in his (guessing) 50s in his post-government service career that seems to be long on entertainment and a bit lacking in other respects.
Greer is age 65 according to Wikipedia. He has been doing this UFO business for close to 30 years. He must have retired damn young. He hasn’t been in an emergency room for some time I imagine. He seems to be one of the few to make it pay big time.
 

Cosmic Cat

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Greer is age 65 according to Wikipedia. He has been doing this UFO business for close to 30 years. He must have retired damn young. He hasn’t been in an emergency room for some time I imagine. He seems to be one of the few to make it pay big time.

Either that or his retirement nest egg is drying up fast...But then again if you look at most people who do this full time they are always begging for money...Know what I say? Get a real DAMN job!
 

nivek

As Above So Below
I listened to a tad bit of this...

 

Dejan Corovic

As above, so bellow
There you are, even a black hen can yield a white egg.

To Dr. Greer's credit, despite him being narcissistic, he does come up with lots of good stuff.

So basically this witness testimony inadvertently once more confirms what Col. Corzo was saying that "electromagnetic weapons" can bring UFO down. Those who know a little bit more physics than Col. Corzo does, would know that there is no such a thing as an "electromagnetic weapon", it's just a plain old radar. US Navy is continuing to do what Col. Corzo was doing on the East-West border during the Cold War and just pointing strong Tracking Radar's beam at UFOs. Because UFOs create warp drives by pumping UFO's hulls with EM waves, tracking radar's beam creates phase shift or 'noise' that throws UFO's original EM field out of balance.

Once UFO's EM field is "punctured" by tracking beam radar atomic nuclei in the UFO's hull are now under the influence of both UFO's warp drive EM field and radar beam's field. This combination of two EM fields, one meticulously planned and one out of the wack unplanned cause, so to say, warp drive bubble to burst and warp drive features like flat internal space-time disappear in an instant. If at that same moment when internal flat space-time was disrupted UFO is performing a high-g maneuver to avoid the unplanned radar beam UFO occupants would be killed by high-g forces.

That's why no crew members were responding when they lifted UFO out of the water. The above-described chain of events caused the killing of the alien crew, but left their UFO craft intact. Towards the end, Dr. Greer goes to describe another exactly the same incident a few years earlier, where the Navy hit UFO with EM beam and some safety mechanism ejected a pod with the alien crew. But unfortunately, the crew didn't survive.

So, here we have a triple lineup of tracking radar beam shooting UFOs: Col Corzo + Sailor witness + Dr. Greer.

That's actually, in a way, similar to Roswell. The first 13 Roswell witnesses said that body of the craft was ripped open and that aliens were laying around the craft. Again, sounds like some kind of internal ejection pod took the crew out when the external warp drive hull failed. Roswell UFO was flying through a desert storm with lots of thunderbolts, so it's possible that it was accidentally hit by a lighting bolt. It happens to airplanes as well.

So, this video strongly supports the idea that UFOs are creating warp drives by pumping hull with EM radiation. We get the same hypothesis from our own scientists who study GR.
 
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Dejan Corovic

As above, so bellow
There you are, even a black hen can yield a white egg.

To Dr. Greer's credit, despite him being narcissistic, he does come up with lots of good stuff.

So basically this witness testimony inadvertently once more confirms what Col. Corzo was saying that "electromagnetic weapons" can bring UFO down. Those who know a little bit more physics than Col. Corzo does, would know that there is no such a thing as an "electromagnetic weapon", it's just a plain old radar. US Navy is continuing to do what Col. Corzo was doing on the East-West border during the Cold War and just pointing strong Tracking Radar's beam at UFOs. Because UFOs create warp drives by pumping UFO's hulls with EM waves, tracking radar's beam creates phase shift or 'noise' that throws UFO's original EM field out of balance.

Once UFO's EM field is "punctured" by tracking beam radar atomic nuclei in the UFO's hull are now under the influence of both UFO's warp drive EM field and radar beam's field. This combination of two EM fields, one meticulously planned and one out of the wack unplanned cause, so to say, warp drive bubble to burst and warp drive features like flat internal space-time disappear in an instant. If at that same moment when internal flat space-time was disrupted UFO is performing a high-g maneuver to avoid the unplanned radar beam UFO occupants would be killed by high-g forces.

That's why no crew members were responding when they lifted UFO out of the water. The above-described chain of events caused the killing of the alien crew, but left their UFO craft intact. Towards the end, Dr. Greer goes to describe another exactly the same incident a few years earlier, where the Navy hit UFO with EM beam and some safety mechanism ejected a pod with the alien crew. But unfortunately, the crew didn't survive.

So, here we have a triple lineup of tracking radar beam shooting UFOs: Col Corzo + Sailor witness + Dr. Greer.

That's actually, in a way, similar to Roswell. The first 13 Roswell witnesses said that body of the craft was ripped open and that aliens were laying around the craft. Again, sounds like some kind of internal ejection pod took the crew out when the external warp drive hull failed. Roswell UFO was flying through a desert storm with lots of thunderbolts, so it's possible that it was accidentally hit by a lighting bolt. It happens to airplanes as well.

So, this video strongly supports the idea that UFOs are creating warp drives by pumping hull with EM radiation. We get the same hypothesis from our own scientists who study GR.

One more very important note.

The fact that it is possible to shoot down UFOs with strong radar beams gives us all-important quantitative information. The EM field that UFOs pump into their own hulls to create warp drives is on the same order of magnitude as our own radar beams. That strongly contributes to the idea that UFOs can be man-made since energy levels are quite manageable by ourselves.

Obviously, the caveat is that we would need to be able to make the very special metamaterial for the hull.

Whole UFO hull pumped with EM energy more and more "smells" of NMR resonance. NMR resonance requires extremely precise EM pumping, say if you are off by 5-10 Hz on 1 GHz you'll get no NMR resonance at all. If UFOs go to great pains to very precisely control nuclear magnetic resonance (NMR) with a single frequency monochromatic light (aka. laser) and somebody from outside shines some crazy EM radar frequency, all the NMR resonance is going to get screwed.

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1981 Tepoztlan in Mexico by Carlos Diaz

I know that you must be sick of me posting this same UFO photo by Carlos Diaz again and again, but that is a very rare example of how the UFO hull is pumped by monochromatic laser light to create warp drive. The whole series of photos and videos was analyzed by a university in US and they concluded that light is monochromatic. Monochromatic means one and only one precise frequency. Other researchers call it UFO fluorescence, which was observed by many other witnesses.

Why am I mentioning nuclear resonance? Well, atomic nuclei contains 3,600 times more mass than electron shell. So to control mass one needs to control nuclei, which can relatively easily be rotated with magnetic fields. That's how medical NMR machines work.

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from paper ... https://indico.ict.inaf.it/event/751/contributions/5483/attachments/2655/5207/BobrickTorino2019.pdf

And this image above is what our own scientists, specialists in GR, think is an ideal shape for warp drive. For all practical purposes, our own scientists had solved GR only to find a solution that looks like UFO.
 
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