Conspiracy Theory Omega, On The Alien Grey.

Dejan Corovic

As above, so bellow
Tons and tons of circumstantial evidence, eyewitness testimony means that we tons of that stuff, not proof of extraterrestrial visitation.

That is not true. Here is the simple reason. A witness can do 3 things:

1) Tell a lie:

If lier lies about something he can't understand he will get caught. I witness is telling a lie, then his preservation instinct will force him to lie about something he understands. Because 99.99% witnesses don't understand neither electromagnetism, nor general relativity these witnesses will refrain from describing scientific effects.

2) Be delusional

If the witness is delusional his physical observations reports will be all over the place and will make neither common nor scientific sense.

3) Tell a truth:

If witnesses told us the truth than their observations will be in agreement with electromagnetism and general relativity. In at least 80% of cases that I read there was one or few details that were 100% in agreement with electromagnetism or general relativity. If they would be lying that would be impossible.

What about all the people who claim alien abduction?

Alien abductions have to be completely excluded because they are totally overloaded with subjectivity.

That is not a case with witness reports where nobody was abducted by significant scientifically valid observations were made. I mean, in the 1957 RB-47 case, an electronic eavesdropping plane loaded with the best electronic equipment of the time, 5 crew members 1.) visually observed, 2.) located with radar, and 3.) measured with passive electromagnetic instruments a presence of UFO, and everything was recorded on tapes. None of them was abducted, nor drunk on a duty, nor wanted to be famous. From a scientific perspective, there is no doubt it was UFO, but government confiscated and hid the tapes.
 
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Kchoo

At Peace.
Tons and tons of circumstantial evidence, eyewitness testimony means that we tons of that stuff, not proof of extraterrestrial visitation. Plenty of just cause to find out if we are though and I agree it's possible, even probable, that various governments might have knowledge the rest of us don't. Don't want to open up that nuts&bolts vs anything else can of worms here.

I'm perfectly willing to look through the telescope. Mainstream Science hasn't always been so willing, and hasn't always been right.

What about all the people who claim alien abduction? Seems like that constitutes a large number of cases, reports, what have you. If we're going to look at the sheer amount of reports, testimony etc. we can't exclude that group. Or shouldn't anyway if we're being honest. Just out of thin air, I've wondered if we have been contacted and aren't understanding that we have. The 'yelling at the fish bowl and what does the fish think' idea.
I don't consider it abduction I my case. Yes, by definition of it, it fits, but after many years of this, I am convinced they mean no real harm. They can and have scared me, provoked me in different ways, and also have had good humor, and some real heartfelt moments. But they always leave me with more questions than answers...
I give up trying to understand it... but I have accepted that it does happen.
 

Kchoo

At Peace.
I don't consider it abduction I my case. Yes, by definition of it, it fits, but after many years of this, I am convinced they mean no real harm. They can and have scared me, provoked me in different ways, and also have had good humor, and some real heartfelt moments. But they always leave me with more questions than answers...
I give up trying to understand it... but I have accepted that it does happen.

Whatever it is...
 

nivek

As Above So Below
Science severely restricts what's possible and probable.

Actually, science has barely began to discover what is possible and what is probable...

If science had already discovered everything there is to be discovered and knows all about this universe that there is to know, (which is impossible for science at this point) then you could make that claim, however science, our science, is still discovering and learning about our universe, our reality, and our place in it...

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Dejan Corovic

As above, so bellow
Actually, science has barely began to discover what is possible and what is probable...

If science had already discovered everything there is to be discovered and knows all about this universe that there is to know, (which is impossible for science at this point) then you could make that claim, however science, our science, is still discovering and learning about our universe, our reality, and our place in it...

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Yeah, maybe with artistic license.

When one compares science with humanities and then one ca see how restricted science is.
 
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pigfarmer

tall, thin, irritable
Alien abductions have to be completely excluded because they are totally overloaded with subjectivity

All eyewitness testimony is subjective and abductees have been undeniably part of this phenomenon right from the git-go. Haven't heard about anyone taking a trip on a saucer to Venus or anything lately, the CE3K stories have changed to fit our current views. I agree that looking first for something we recognize, that our science predicts is a logical approach and makes total sense but you can't throw the baby out with the bath water. It would be my approach if I were promoted from schmuck to Scientist.

Vallee doesn't seem to think there's a straightforward concrete explanation for all this. I don't know what to make of NIDS but it seems as if those involved, like JB Alexander, start looking for nuts & bolts and end up talking about anything but that.

T-shirts and coffee cups available in the lobby.
 

pigfarmer

tall, thin, irritable
Actually, science has barely began to discover what is possible and what is probable...

If science had already discovered everything there is to be discovered and knows all about this universe that there is to know, (which is impossible for science at this point) then you could make that claim, however science, our science, is still discovering and learning about our universe, our reality, and our place in it...

...

We indulge in all sorts of speculation about these things, our entertainment is steeped in it. Hard to tell where the entertainment stops anymore. Pssst - it doesn't, just ask Tom and Lue. By comparison empirical science is plodding and can be slow to revise its opinions, as it should be. Speculation - especially in this arena - runs wild and is impatient for Science to catch up. Science on the other hand is like taking your grandmother grocery shopping. It'll get done and you'll absolutely love the result but you can't be in a hurry.
 

pigfarmer

tall, thin, irritable
Back to the Future was on some channel last night as we did a little channel flipping.
"OK future boy, who's President in 1985?"

Was cruising through the Post, USA Today and the BBC for a newsyish fix this morning and something relevant to this thread hit me between the eyes.

Things we never would have predicted, expected or even believed possible have a way of becoming fact.
Donald Trump is the President and just got nominated for a Nobel Peace prize, maybe two. Imagine beaming that headline back to 1995 and seeing the reaction.

So when we find out that David Icke is right and we do have reptilian overlords and what's worse they come through the same transdimensional portal as cyborg Bigfoots, well, we'll just have egg on our faces won't we?
 
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