Your thoughts on the motives behind abductions?

I know that most Ufologists posit that extraterrestrials are somehow attempting to breed hybrids of human and aliens, in order to somehow infiltrate and take over our planet. That's the extreme end of the guessing stick.

I recently translated the A. Boas symbols from the Brazil abduction way back in 1957. It says that
they themselves are the victims of a plague-like poison, and that they are here for their "offspring, descendants" on Earth. I know that's going to shock the hell out of the Christian groups, but really
it is more in line with all of the ancient oral history that records an intervention by aliens in the evolution of mankind, and it make sense. Because if they only needed to take over out planet, I'm fairly sure that this could be done in a much quicker and easier way, by someone who was much more developed technologically speaking.

Andy thoughts on this, or on how the Christians might react ?
 
I know that most Ufologists posit that extraterrestrials are somehow attempting to breed hybrids of human and aliens, in order to somehow infiltrate and take over our planet. That's the extreme end of the guessing stick.

I recently translated the A. Boas symbols from the Brazil abduction way back in 1957. It says that
they themselves are the victims of a plague-like poison, and that they are here for their "offspring, descendants" on Earth. I know that's going to shock the hell out of the Christian groups, but really
it is more in line with all of the ancient oral history that records an intervention by aliens in the evolution of mankind, and it make sense. Because if they only needed to take over out planet, I'm fairly sure that this could be done in a much quicker and easier way, by someone who was much more developed technologically speaking.

Andy thoughts on this, or on how the Christians might react ?


EDIT: By the Way, if anyone is being abducted currently, and they wish to put a halt to this,
please PM me privately and I will offer you some very helpful information on how our ancestors
took care of this problem. Most of those methods were lost to history somehow, but I have
been able to retrieve some of the better ones.
 

Rick Hunter

Celestial
I'm a Christian, and honestly all the UFO stuff serves to reinforce my beliefs in the Creator God and the events of the Bible. Human beings have had encounters with beings from other worlds or planes of existence for all of recorded history, and we define those beings and experiences according to our cultural and historical means of explanation (religion, science, etc.).
 

nivek

As Above So Below
I think there are multiple groups working together and likely some alien species with their own agenda, however one group I have looked into seems legitimate to me in their motives...There had been many abduction reports similar to those describes in this thread I linked here:

Alien Interferences

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I think there are multiple groups working together and likely some alien species with their own agenda, however one group I have looked into seems legitimate to me in their motives...There had been many abduction reports similar to those describes in this thread I linked here:

Alien Interferences

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I read some of your linked material and it seems very well done.
This is exactly why I enjoy the site - interesting associations by intelligent people that
help me to gain another perspective.
 

nivek

As Above So Below
I read some of your linked material and it seems very well done.
This is exactly why I enjoy the site - interesting associations by intelligent people that
help me to gain another perspective.

I've had my own experiences which compliments for me at least some of what is stated in that material...I think there is something in particular we have access to that some alien species cannot access and are abducting humans to accomplish that as well as some who want to use this source to unnaturally enhance themselves...

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nivek

As Above So Below
I know that most Ufologists posit that extraterrestrials are somehow attempting to breed hybrids of human and aliens, in order to somehow infiltrate and take over our planet. That's the extreme end of the guessing stick.

I recently translated the A. Boas symbols from the Brazil abduction way back in 1957. It says that
they themselves are the victims of a plague-like poison, and that they are here for their "offspring, descendants" on Earth. I know that's going to shock the hell out of the Christian groups, but really
it is more in line with all of the ancient oral history that records an intervention by aliens in the evolution of mankind, and it make sense. Because if they only needed to take over out planet, I'm fairly sure that this could be done in a much quicker and easier way, by someone who was much more developed technologically speaking.

Andy thoughts on this, or on how the Christians might react ?

The universe is a hungry place and there are different sorts of hunger, some of knowledge, some of other things, corporeal or not...I think abductions of the alien kind are feeding a hunger of some sort, and darker things seem to be hungrier than most...Some abductions are darker than others but the very act (action) of following through with an abduction speaks volumes itself, taking another against their will, no matter the intentions...IMO

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nivek

As Above So Below
The universe is a hungry place and there are different sorts of hunger, some of knowledge, some of other things, corporeal or not...I think abductions of the alien kind are feeding a hunger of some sort, and darker things seem to be hungrier than most...Some abductions are darker than others but the very act (action) of following through with an abduction speaks volumes itself, taking another against their will, no matter the intentions...IMO

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I do not think benevolent peaceful alien species would abduct people, I rather think they would have developed technology to study us (if they are) without resorting to abducting someone...IMO

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pigfarmer

tall, thin, irritable
There is a real phenomenon at work but what it is I have no idea much less why it's happening. Most likely explanation I can think of is some form of communication that is tapping into our zeitgeist somehow and maybe not all that effectively. Abductees all seem to have their own experiences but they also seem to follow a common pattern, or maybe a better way to put it is they have a common thread.
 
I do not think benevolent peaceful alien species would abduct people, I rather think they would have developed technology to study us (if they are) without resorting to abducting someone...IMO

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What really amazes me is that some people still believe that the aliens visiting us are somehow friendly. There may be one group that is trying to help us, but if so it is purely because of a "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" type of situation. Terrifying women and children and men as well by kidnapping them and forcing strange medical procedures on them is not my idea of friendly. There can be no excuse for that type of activity.
 
There is a real phenomenon at work but what it is I have no idea much less why it's happening. Most likely explanation I can think of is some form of communication that is tapping into our zeitgeist somehow and maybe not all that effectively. Abductees all seem to have their own experiences but they also seem to follow a common pattern, or maybe a better way to put it is they have a common thread.
Probably the Jews taken by the Nazis had common threads to their story as well, as did the Russians sent to camps in Siberia. It's called their modus operandi. Serial Killers develop quite devious ones.
 

Dejan Corovic

As above, so bellow
On a recommendation from @karl 12 I started reading a very interesting book "Visitors from Time" by Marc Davenport.

In this book, Davenport proposes that aliens who are doing abductions for purpose of their own reproduction must be very closely related to our own species. He rightfully points at a fact that interbreeding of distant species from planet Earth is nearly impossible, let alone by the species that had developed on different sides of the universe. Davenport is trying to say that these aliens are our own species but from a very distant future.

Now, I am by no means a geneticist and I don't fully know why our distant future relatives would want to interbreed with us. There is about million years between us and chimps, and about seven sub-species, and our two species can't successfully interbreed. Not that any of our own females would fancy that. In this light, one might ask, what would be our own benefit from interbreeding with chimps?

But, as a matter of fact, this idea very nicely fits with Dr. Jacquee Vallee's idea that aliens come from some parallel universe and are some kind of incarnation of ourselves. Or in other words, he's against Extra-Terrestrial Hypothesis.
 
On a recommendation from @karl 12 I started reading a very interesting book "Visitors from Time" by Marc Davenport.

In this book, Davenport proposes that aliens who are doing abductions for purpose of their own reproduction must be very closely related to our own species. He rightfully points at a fact that interbreeding of distant species from planet Earth is nearly impossible, let alone by the species that had developed on different sides of the universe. Davenport is trying to say that these aliens are our own species but from a very distant future.

Now, I am by no means a geneticist and I don't fully know why our distant future relatives would want to interbreed with us. There is about million years between us and chimps, and about seven sub-species, and our two species can't successfully interbreed. Not that any of our own females would fancy that. In this light, one might ask, what would be our own benefit from interbreeding with chimps?

But, as a matter of fact, this idea very nicely fits with Dr. Jacquee Vallee's idea that aliens come from some parallel universe and are some kind of incarnation of ourselves. Or in other words, he's against Extra-Terrestrial Hypothesis.

When physicists can not make Einstein's ridiculous limitation of the speed of light work, they invent worm holes and other plugs such as "quantum physics". It's what they do. Rather than admit error or ignorance.

A vehicle traveling faster than the speed of light would not be visible to our eyes, since the light
would not have time to reach our eyes before they were gone. It's why the ships are reported to
"disappear" into the clouds. But rather than accept that one of their own (Einstein) is simply
wrong, as Tesla assured us, they come up with these other dimensions, other time zones, etc.
It's all BS. Vallee used to be a fairly good investigator. Then for some reason he began adopting
these "mainstream" ideas to explain away the ET phenomenon. He sold out, in other words.
It began shortly after he and Hyneck met up, and some papers were revealed to him. I don't know
what their pitch is, but it must be fairly good. Perhaps a place at the table?

They are, as they have told us, and our ancestors have told us, over and over, either our ancestors
or they were responsible for our emergence. They are the reason for the "missing links", or rather
we are those missing links. Their DNA would not be that different from ours, since it is theirs,
or at least an older, more pure version, possibly.

Not from our future, but returning from our past. That's why they believe that they can take
any DNA samples or sperm they need, or even have us birth hybrids - they feel that we owe them.
And to some degree, that might very well be true.

We are not from chimps. At least not most of us. There was a race from chimps, but they
somehow magically died out around the time that modified man, or cro-magnon man came
on the scene. No idea who did that, do we?

I appreciate your book suggestion and I will certainly take a look at it - not so much because I
agree with his "future" idea, but I like to see a well researched work. And thanks for your comments.
 

pigfarmer

tall, thin, irritable
Probably the Jews taken by the Nazis had common threads to their story as well, as did the Russians sent to camps in Siberia. It's called their modus operandi. Serial Killers develop quite devious ones.

I agree there's something at work here but that analogy is a bit harsh. How many people have been killed or interned due to this phenomenon?

The nature of these visitations changes with our culture. At one time is was Nordics from Venus or Mars. After Communion our general expectations of what aliens are supposed to be have fallen in line with that. Pop culture has done nothing but reinforce that. In The Lounge my wife snuck a couple of little plastic greys onto one of my toolboxes - the fact you can buy those at the local dollar store pretty much proves my point about general cultural expectation.

Imagine some race attempting to communicate, the abduction experience is a real attempt to do so yet our inability to get our heads around it results in our brain putting together the pieces it thinks fit. Its a reaction, an imperfect one maybe.
 
I agree there's something at work here but that analogy is a bit harsh. How many people have been killed or interned due to this phenomenon?

The nature of these visitations changes with our culture. At one time is was Nordics from Venus or Mars. After Communion our general expectations of what aliens are supposed to be have fallen in line with that. Pop culture has done nothing but reinforce that. In The Lounge my wife snuck a couple of little plastic greys onto one of my toolboxes - the fact you can buy those at the local dollar store pretty much proves my point about general cultural expectation.

Imagine some race attempting to communicate, the abduction experience is a real attempt to do so yet our inability to get our heads around it results in our brain putting together the pieces it thinks fit. Its a reaction, an imperfect one maybe.
I agree completely that the identity and nature changes with our times and culture. I'm not sure that I agree with the idea the abductions are for the purpose of communicating with us. They don't seem to do that much of it, other than offering warnings of dire events to some of the abductees.
 

Rick Hunter

Celestial
Whitley Strieber came to the conclusion that aliens are a future version of humanity, so take that for what you may think it's worth.
 

nivek

As Above So Below
Whitley Strieber came to the conclusion that aliens are a future version of humanity, so take that for what you may think it's worth.

That's a very narrow viewpoint, taking all and every UFO and alien encounter and putting one source for them all...How does he account for the various species seen and experienced in abductions?...

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