Cosmic Cat
Honorable
I have never quite bought into this..It requires a level of belief I do not think I have...
spacecase0
earth human
I think that belief should never be blind, it should be based on knowledge and experience.
if you want to know what is going on with it, I suggest to go try it yourself.
Dejan Corovic
As above, so bellow
I watched on YouTube Uri Geller being invited to one of the late evening talk shows. The host suggested that Uri does the spoon bending for the audience and Uri readily obliged. But there was a surprise move by the host that he prepared the cuttlery of his own. One just had to see contortions on Uri Geller's face as he started faking excuses and pulling away from the promise he would do demonstrations with spoons that were not his own.
Jim_from_the_South
Honorable
Well if you do, you would have to substitute Reptilian for insectoid.
Jim_from_the_South
Honorable
The scientist that introduced Uri to the United States was also the same one that
was involved in the remote viewing trials in the early period.
Dejan Corovic
As above, so bellow
After two very accurate and improbably successful remote viewing sessions in my life, I am confident that it is a real natural phenomenon. But what I am saying is that Uri Geller is a trickster, a little bit like Bob Lazar
, not a real remote viewer, like for example Ingo Swan, etc. The problem here is that Uri Geller was misleading somewhat naive, but genuine researchers like physicists Russel Targ and Hall Puthoff.
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pigfarmer
tall, thin, irritable
You're right. But I'll be glad to speak to whoever's at the Lunatic Desk when the call comes through
pigfarmer
tall, thin, irritable
I have to figure out exactly where I read Reality Denied and see if I can export the spoon bending instructions. I put some effort into it - or more accurately lack of effort. Alexander claims it works in spades but he's also a proponent of Uri Geller.
Mind over matter. A topic much on my mind recently but not about the flatware. Future posts. Still digesting.
Dejan Corovic
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There are some metal alloys, probably with metal gadolinium, that become very soft, even liquid, at 30ºC (86ºF). So if one makes cutlery from gadolinium alloys just holding it in one's hand will cause these spoons to bend, while they would still look like they are made of stainless steel. That's the essence of Uri Geller's trickery.
So, it's very unlikely that anybody can bend stainless steel spoons with mind power alone, otherwise our heads would be emitting stronger than radio station masts.
So, it's very unlikely that anybody can bend stainless steel spoons with mind power alone, otherwise our heads would be emitting stronger than radio station masts.
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Cosmic Cat
Honorable
You're right. But I'll be glad to speak to whoever's at the Lunatic Desk when the call comes through
Not David Icke! LoL...
nivek
As Above So Below
After two very accurate and improbably successful remote viewing sessions in my life, I am confident that it is a real natural phenomenon. But what I am saying is that Uri Geller is a trickster, a little bit like Bob Lazar
I have some ideas on a next test or experiment, let me stew over a couple of the details and we can discuss...
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pigfarmer
tall, thin, irritable
You too, eh?
I admit this caused some chin scratching on my part but am pretty sure whatever that is and this spoon bending stuff are two different things. Problem is you start looking into one and the other doesn't ever seem too far away.
pigfarmer
tall, thin, irritable
Sitting here looking at Louie, he's looking at me. Both of us are right next to our pan-dimensional vortex. Whatever it is doesn't seem to disturb his repose.
Here's the thing. Had three tarot readings. One for me, one for my wife - maybe call that one the control. Then a third one for me asking a very specific question. I wanted to know what the hell this was all about: ordinary extraordinary event ?
Ask Tarot a question and you'll get a Tarot answer; like the Guardian of Forever it was made to do it's thing in a certain fashion and can't change. My skepticism already looked at a finite number of cards with sufficiently broad interpretations so that statistically - and there's one of my favorite words again - there is a greater likelihood of a 'hit'. Plus they seem to be oriented toward questions of a personal nature and I think that increases the chances of a successful reading. OK. There's the disclaimer.
I have related quite a lot about myself in the public forum, perhaps a bit more privately. So you might say that my wife's null reading and my first one suggests that familiarity with a 'target' has something to do with that. How a 'reader' could bake that into a card shuffle under these very casual circumstances is highly questionable. Then I had my second reading in which I asked my question about these strange appearances. Well, it hit close to home to put it mildly in a way that made me quite uncomfortable. I certainly haven't related everything here in any fashion. I even thought that must be a common reaction and it probably is. When it happens to you please tell me about your dispassionate skeptical and scientific response ................
It didn't answer my question but entire experiment suggest that yes, there is a way to convey information through asynchronous methods that are divorced from physical constraints. It dialed directly into ME not really the question I was asking. Tarot may just be a method to 'get into the zone' or however you'd like to put it and in that regard may not be all that different from Remote Viewing. It may be limited in scope as to what results you might expect or maybe the method of preparation has some bearing on outcome. I don't know. In any case, I'm willing to explore it further.
Then there's that verdammit other thing that - to me - is related. How did two real, solid physical objects make their sudden appearance under very, very peculiar circumstances? Believe me, I eyeball that cabinet all the time hoping to see something so I can rewind the goddamned camera I now have permanently trained on it. Not kidding, not bullshitting to make hay for this forum. This happened. I questioned my own 'eyewitness testimony' to the point where I began to question my own sanity. Hence the camera.
Spoon bending sounds silly. I'd have to experience it myself, sounds too much like parlor tricks. This foolishness I'm talking about is kind of silly too but I'm not laughing [ the objects appearing, that is] . Very mundane but when you start thinking about it, maybe too much, it definitely isn't. It certainly looks and feels like a physical manifestation through means I can't explain or quite comprehend at the moment. Tuning into my bucket-o-mud psychic sensitivity gives me the feeling that there isn't any 'other presence' at all. If anything I get the weird impression that I am the root cause, and the skeptic in me agrees. Not like I'm sleep walking and doing it, honestly the poltergeist phenomenon is what comes to mind. And Jesus, I feel kind of nuts saying that because I am generally a skeptic. Hence the camera.
Here's the thing. Had three tarot readings. One for me, one for my wife - maybe call that one the control. Then a third one for me asking a very specific question. I wanted to know what the hell this was all about: ordinary extraordinary event ?
Ask Tarot a question and you'll get a Tarot answer; like the Guardian of Forever it was made to do it's thing in a certain fashion and can't change. My skepticism already looked at a finite number of cards with sufficiently broad interpretations so that statistically - and there's one of my favorite words again - there is a greater likelihood of a 'hit'. Plus they seem to be oriented toward questions of a personal nature and I think that increases the chances of a successful reading. OK. There's the disclaimer.
I have related quite a lot about myself in the public forum, perhaps a bit more privately. So you might say that my wife's null reading and my first one suggests that familiarity with a 'target' has something to do with that. How a 'reader' could bake that into a card shuffle under these very casual circumstances is highly questionable. Then I had my second reading in which I asked my question about these strange appearances. Well, it hit close to home to put it mildly in a way that made me quite uncomfortable. I certainly haven't related everything here in any fashion. I even thought that must be a common reaction and it probably is. When it happens to you please tell me about your dispassionate skeptical and scientific response ................
It didn't answer my question but entire experiment suggest that yes, there is a way to convey information through asynchronous methods that are divorced from physical constraints. It dialed directly into ME not really the question I was asking. Tarot may just be a method to 'get into the zone' or however you'd like to put it and in that regard may not be all that different from Remote Viewing. It may be limited in scope as to what results you might expect or maybe the method of preparation has some bearing on outcome. I don't know. In any case, I'm willing to explore it further.
Then there's that verdammit other thing that - to me - is related. How did two real, solid physical objects make their sudden appearance under very, very peculiar circumstances? Believe me, I eyeball that cabinet all the time hoping to see something so I can rewind the goddamned camera I now have permanently trained on it. Not kidding, not bullshitting to make hay for this forum. This happened. I questioned my own 'eyewitness testimony' to the point where I began to question my own sanity. Hence the camera.
Spoon bending sounds silly. I'd have to experience it myself, sounds too much like parlor tricks. This foolishness I'm talking about is kind of silly too but I'm not laughing [ the objects appearing, that is] . Very mundane but when you start thinking about it, maybe too much, it definitely isn't. It certainly looks and feels like a physical manifestation through means I can't explain or quite comprehend at the moment. Tuning into my bucket-o-mud psychic sensitivity gives me the feeling that there isn't any 'other presence' at all. If anything I get the weird impression that I am the root cause, and the skeptic in me agrees. Not like I'm sleep walking and doing it, honestly the poltergeist phenomenon is what comes to mind. And Jesus, I feel kind of nuts saying that because I am generally a skeptic. Hence the camera.
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nivek
As Above So Below
Experiments we (a friend and I) did back in the mid 90s gave some interesting results...This was in Ohio when I was still traveling before coming to North Carolina...The friend who I mention wasn't quite a friend really, more of an acquaintance, I knew him less than a year and in another month I was leaving Ohio and heading to Canada...Most of my friends during my traveling years were just that, really acquaintances, but good people, I just wasn't around long enough to get to know anyone better...Just giving a background into the scenario, I didn't know this 'friend' well but that didn't matter either...
He noticed 'things' and one day asked me if I wanted to try some tests with remote viewing, he was one who read into remote viewing previously before meeting me and apparently he was quite interested in this...We tried a few times with him driving out to a location unknown to me, he called my pager to let me know he was there, he would stay there about 15-20 minutes, I would write down what I saw and when he returned we reviewed it all...There were some mixed results, but then he had an interesting idea...
One test in particular I remember well, he drove out to another location and paged me to let me know he was there and ready, however this time he said he was going to focus on three things at that location for 5 minutes each and each time he was in position and ready he paged me to let me know...This was very accurate, it seems I was tuning into him the whole time and by narrowing his focus it helped more on my end to capture what he was seeing...We were both amazed by the results but did not pursue it much more as the month progressed because I was on a journey and leaving Ohio in days, said my goodbyes and left for Canada...
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He noticed 'things' and one day asked me if I wanted to try some tests with remote viewing, he was one who read into remote viewing previously before meeting me and apparently he was quite interested in this...We tried a few times with him driving out to a location unknown to me, he called my pager to let me know he was there, he would stay there about 15-20 minutes, I would write down what I saw and when he returned we reviewed it all...There were some mixed results, but then he had an interesting idea...
One test in particular I remember well, he drove out to another location and paged me to let me know he was there and ready, however this time he said he was going to focus on three things at that location for 5 minutes each and each time he was in position and ready he paged me to let me know...This was very accurate, it seems I was tuning into him the whole time and by narrowing his focus it helped more on my end to capture what he was seeing...We were both amazed by the results but did not pursue it much more as the month progressed because I was on a journey and leaving Ohio in days, said my goodbyes and left for Canada...
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nivek
As Above So Below
Actually it simply requires a level of optimism, the belief will be determined by the results...
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Dejan Corovic
As above, so bellow
That's there your template.
nivek
As Above So Below
He went to a construction site, I called out a stack of wood, couldn't say how many planks there were, only a stack of wood, also called out a dump truck with big tires, couldn't say what colour it was, I remember him asking me afterwards if I knew the colour lol...Also called out a body of water, it was a small retention pond...That was a long time ago too, a lot has changed since then...
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Dejan Corovic
As above, so bellow
yeah, I always wanted to make these experiments. They are unbeilevable.
Dejan Corovic
As above, so bellow
But, overnight, I was thinking about "the dark" side of these experiments. If the combined success rate for @pigfarmer and myself, which is 4 out of 4, keeps going like that, then sooner or later we'll be able to continuously read each other minds?
On the dark side ... that would be 100 times the worst privacy invasion that anything Google & Facebook ever dreamed of. Just imagine if we start dropping "cookies" in each other's mind Funny now, but tragic later?
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As for plan for experiments, we can do these variations:
1) go to some prominent location and let others describe it,
2) or more armchair style, load a random photo from the internet and focus on it while others describe it,
3) no locations, no pictures. Focus on a topic in your mind, while others try to describe it. This is more like a messaging service, ala mental-Skype, WhatsUp etc.
Let me know your thoughts.
On the dark side ... that would be 100 times the worst privacy invasion that anything Google & Facebook ever dreamed of. Just imagine if we start dropping "cookies" in each other's mind
Funny now, but tragic later? - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
As for plan for experiments, we can do these variations:
1) go to some prominent location and let others describe it,
2) or more armchair style, load a random photo from the internet and focus on it while others describe it,
3) no locations, no pictures. Focus on a topic in your mind, while others try to describe it. This is more like a messaging service, ala mental-Skype, WhatsUp etc.
Let me know your thoughts.
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