Ever wanted to smash someone in the face who said "Extraordinary claims require ...?"

I agree - given what we now know about the universe, we should be expecting the fairly routine visitation of our planet by more advanced civilizations than our own. The ETH is only an "extraordinary" hypothesis if one has lived under a rock for the last half of a century.

I tried to explain this to Mick West a couple of times, but he prefers to pretend that scientific knowledge about the universe halted sometime in the last century...before we knew how common Earth-like worlds are in the universe, and how much older they are, on average, than our own planet (roughly 2-3 *billion* years older than the Earth).

It would be harder to explain why we weren't being visited by extraterrestrial intelligences, if there were no UFO reports at all. Which is why Enrico Fermi asked "where is everybody" back in 1950.

Yet we still have some people pushing the "rare earth" hypothesis. Like here again.

Does Intelligent Life Exist Anywhere Else? Here Are the Chances
 

michael59

Celestial
I agree - given what we now know about the universe, we should be expecting the fairly routine visitation of our planet by more advanced civilizations than our own. The ETH is only an "extraordinary" hypothesis if one has lived under a rock for the last half of a century.

I tried to explain this to Mick West a couple of times, but he prefers to pretend that scientific knowledge about the universe halted sometime in the last century...before we knew how common Earth-like worlds are in the universe, and how much older they are, on average, than our own planet (roughly 2-3 *billion* years older than the Earth).

It would be harder to explain why we weren't being visited by extraterrestrial intelligences, if there were no UFO reports at all. Which is why Enrico Fermi asked "where is everybody" back in 1950.

When you say given what we now know....

Just because we learned something new does not mean it has not happened yet. It's not as if ET had to wait until we discovered how much larger the universe is, all the earth like planets and how much older than us they were, before they decided to stop by. They have been "routinely visiting" for centuries.


A lot of us "crazy people" are just waiting for everyone else to catch up. Not because we want to say, "Told you so..." (although I admit that is going to be sweet) but, because we need to catch up before it's too late.

I wouldn't be the least bit surprised to learn that all this covid pandemic was their idea to see how difficult or easy it would be to control the masses. Testing, testing, 123...

But, then again, I'm one of the crazy ones who has been seeing ET for over 50 years already.
 

michael59

Celestial
Extraordinary evidence for deGrasse Tyson is having Dinner with an alien! That would be extraordinary indeed! :)
'Call me when you have a dinner invite from an alien'
Neil deGrasse Tyson on UFOs: 'Call me when you have a dinner invite from an alien' - CNN


Thing is... Just because skeptics can't be convinced doesn't mean people aren't experiencing these things --they are, with attendant consequences.

Pft, deGrasse over estimates himself. It wouldn't even enter my mind to call him if it happened.
 
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