Most Evil.

1963

Noble
Hi guys, a short while ago when I was in my teens :Whistle: I had a great interest [that boarded on a macabre fascination] in reading up on the very worst of humanity's output. 'a.k.a murderers' , and in particular the very worst examples of this most horrid trait of the warped human condition for which we have terms such as 'serial killer, psychopath, sociopath etc. ... And what I learned from all of that reading was that a human being is actually capable of doing anything, from brilliant acts of love and altruism to what can only be described as pure evil!
I also learned that one must take all the notions and insistences of the so-called experts in the field of extreme criminology with a pinch of salt. ... Because where in many cases there might indeed be enough similarities as to enable these experts to proclaim that there are indicating-patterns that point to future behaviour ... but I have found that as often as not any given perpetrator does not, and never did conform to the expectations attributed to the kind of monster that had just been discovered living a seemingly 'normal life'.
Also, despite some countries attempt to appear above such relatively-common atrocities [ie cold war era Russia] the actual demographics of these 'demons' is fairly ubiquitous ... in other words nowhere is safe, 'the monsters are everywhere.
And with this in mind, I thought that i'd start a thread to discuss some of the more gruesome practitioners of this evil, and ponder the prospect of there being a possibility of some kind of ranking system to all of this depravity. for instance... is Mark Chapman as evil as Ted Bundy?
I'll kick off the thread with what for me is one of the scariest characters of all time [never mind the 20th century] ....

ALBERT FISH 19 May 1870 - 16 Jan 1936

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Is this the 20th century's most evil man? ... Well he must at least be a candidate mustn't he? ... But is he the worst?
For anyone that is not already familiar with this malevolent sociopath , here is a quick summary of the kind of real life nightmare that this 'Boogey Man' was. ... Albert Fish - Crime Museum ... and here's one of my man Oddie's excellent YouTube documentaries that will leave you glad that this peace of shit got fried long before you were born ...

Cheers.
 

1963

Noble
Do you think its passed on in the genes to their childran?
That's a very hard question to answer Coubob. ... And in my experience, the answer will be depending on the people that you ask this question to. You will invariably get the honest people that simply declare that they just don't know? .. and then you'll get the other type of responder that hints at some esoteric knowledge and full heartedly declare a resounding yes!
I once looked into this proposition to see if there could indeed be any real validity to the proposal of gene testing in the offspring off violent offenders in order to identify and isolate certain sections of society scientifically. And after wading through a large amount the available information , I came to the conclusion that we are not yet advanced enough to accomplish this task. However, it was in my personal opinion a worthwhile endeavour, because by no means of expertise at all, I myself do suspect that it is probably a correct theory that we all possess such genes, but in many different degrees of severity. ie ..It's true that I am very similar in many traits to both of my parents, but then in many ways I think very differently about many things. As I suspect are we all.
There are a few instances that we could point to in which multiple family members have committed totally heinous crimes that would seem to confirm the 'passed down' hypotheses , but on the other hand there are a lot more instances of the perpetrator of a particularly nasty crime [or spree of grizzly crimes] in which that the act seems to be totally out of character for the family gene pool, in as much as there has never been any known felonious acts recorded in the history of that family at all, never mind anything like the atrocious acts that the convicted offspring has concluded.
So for me coubob, the jury is still out, although I have my own suspicions that a kind of chemical imbalance might well be hereditary in this matter [aka evil tendencies] ... there's as of yet no conclusive proof of my suspicions. And so, who knows?

Cheers Buddy.
 
That's a very hard question to answer Coubob. ... And in my experience, the answer will be depending on the people that you ask this question to. You will invariably get the honest people that simply declare that they just don't know? .. and then you'll get the other type of responder that hints at some esoteric knowledge and full heartedly declare a resounding yes!
I once looked into this proposition to see if there could indeed be any real validity to the proposal of gene testing in the offspring off violent offenders in order to identify and isolate certain sections of society scientifically. And after wading through a large amount the available information , I came to the conclusion that we are not yet advanced enough to accomplish this task. However, it was in my personal opinion a worthwhile endeavour, because by no means of expertise at all, I myself do suspect that it is probably a correct theory that we all possess such genes, but in many different degrees of severity. ie ..It's true that I am very similar in many traits to both of my parents, but then in many ways I think very differently about many things. As I suspect are we all.
There are a few instances that we could point to in which multiple family members have committed totally heinous crimes that would seem to confirm the 'passed down' hypotheses , but on the other hand there are a lot more instances of the perpetrator of a particularly nasty crime [or spree of grizzly crimes] in which that the act seems to be totally out of character for the family gene pool, in as much as there has never been any known felonious acts recorded in the history of that family at all, never mind anything like the atrocious acts that the convicted offspring has concluded.
So for me coubob, the jury is still out, although I have my own suspicions that a kind of chemical imbalance might well be hereditary in this matter [aka evil tendencies] ... there's as of yet no conclusive proof of my suspicions. And so, who knows?

Cheers Buddy.
How can his face look like it is sleepy, as if he just left the dentist, while his eyes are like fancy-colored steel ball bearings? I think that there was a Russian dude that is racing Fish for the title.
 

1963

Noble
Thanks Coubob, ... i've held a bit of a morbid interest in the Zodiac Killer for years now [ ever since I saw the brilliant 'Dirty Harry' film donkey's years ago] and the long awaited achievement really is newsworthy, though wouldn't it be fantastic if it actually moved the case on.
I'm in no way belittling the achievement of these guys [Sam Blake ,Jarl Van Eycke ,David Oranchak ] ... this is an outstanding achievement to finally solving this macabre puzzle after over half a century really is a creditable feat... but the real pity is that there was no incriminating evidence to finally find the true identity of this monster! ... Not that i'm holding my breath for this sob' to actually get his 'just deserts' because I'm minded to think that time has probably run out for that to happen, inasmuch as I think there's a good chance that the guy is probably already dead. .. Though there are variations the eye-witness-testimony descriptions of the killer make it seem likely for him to have been a 'stocky 30 year old-ish guy' which would put him in his eighties now. .. And at five feet eight inches tall and weighing possibly more than 200lbs , along with the obvious mental imbalance that he possessed dose'nt seem the optimum ingredient for longevity to me mate? ... but even if he is already languishing in hell, it still would be nice to identify this horrible sociopath and put this case to bed! :Thumbsup: ... incidentally coubob, do you have a personal favourite among the seemingly endless list of suspects that have been mooted over the years? ... if so, then which one and why that one above the others? :Unsure:

Cheers Buddy.
 

coubob

Celestial
Yes i did have a personal fav.. but things didnt matchup, but among the others id say it was a group of 3 till thing went wrong
 

1963

Noble
Amelia Dyer – True Crime England (wordpress.com) ... When I was just about 13 years old I bought this second hand paperback from the local Oxfam shop that featured stories about some of history's worst serial killers , and immediately I gained this repulsion and fear for all of the terrifyingly evil murderers in the book, I learned for the first time about evil-doers such as Peter Kurten , Fritz Haarmann, Bela Kiss, Marcel Petiot and a few others [that I don't recall at the time of writing] ... I was both duly repulsed and fascinated in learning the depth of mankind's potential for depravity and wished nothing but bad things for each of them [in the event that an afterlife was a reality] but for me personally though they are all harrowing characters, the one that stood out most in my teenage mind was the unbelievably horrible lifetime of evil perpetrated by Mrs. Amelia Dyer. ... and also the picture below [as in the book] served to let me know that evil has been caught on camera! ... and this picture haunted me for quite some time.
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This is the place where Amelia disposed of most of her babies/victims ...
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There have been many 'informative' estimates of just how many babies that this 'delightful lady' murdered, they range from 2-400 to an even more incredible over-800, no matter the true number, I think that you will all agree that this 'Demon in ladies clothing' is a true contender for the thread title!

part of Amelia's own confession, which proved to be a successful attempt at removing suspicion of collusion from the doorstep of her daughter and son-in-law. ...

I feel my days are numbered on this earth but I do feel it is an awful thing drawing innocent people into trouble… neither my daughter Mary Ann Palmer nor her husband Arthur Ernest Palmer, I do most solemnly declare neither of them had anything at all to do with it… I and I alone must stand before my maker in heaven to answer it all. Witness my hand. Amelia Dyer, 18th April 1896."

Cheers.
 
Amelia Dyer – True Crime England (wordpress.com) ... When I was just about 13 years old I bought this second hand paperback from the local Oxfam shop that featured stories about some of history's worst serial killers , and immediately I gained this repulsion and fear for all of the terrifyingly evil murderers in the book, I learned for the first time about evil-doers such as Peter Kurten , Fritz Haarmann, Bela Kiss, Marcel Petiot and a few others [that I don't recall at the time of writing] ... I was both duly repulsed and fascinated in learning the depth of mankind's potential for depravity and wished nothing but bad things for each of them [in the event that an afterlife was a reality] but for me personally though they are all harrowing characters, the one that stood out most in my teenage mind was the unbelievably horrible lifetime of evil perpetrated by Mrs. Amelia Dyer. ... and also the picture below [as in the book] served to let me know that evil has been caught on camera! ... and this picture haunted me for quite some time.
Amelia_dyer1893.jpg



This is the place where Amelia disposed of most of her babies/victims ...
amelia-dyer-6.jpg


There have been many 'informative' estimates of just how many babies that this 'delightful lady' murdered, they range from 2-400 to an even more incredible over-800, no matter the true number, I think that you will all agree that this 'Demon in ladies clothing' is a true contender for the thread title!

part of Amelia's own confession, which proved to be a successful attempt at removing suspicion of collusion from the doorstep of her daughter and son-in-law. ...

I feel my days are numbered on this earth but I do feel it is an awful thing drawing innocent people into trouble… neither my daughter Mary Ann Palmer nor her husband Arthur Ernest Palmer, I do most solemnly declare neither of them had anything at all to do with it… I and I alone must stand before my maker in heaven to answer it all. Witness my hand. Amelia Dyer, 18th April 1896."

Cheers.

She looks like one of the early transvestites. Nice touch, adding the crappy bow-tie to hide his Adam's apple.
 

1963

Noble
Was Henry Lee Moore the diabolical American Axe Murderer of the 1910's? ... or was it someone else? ... or was it even not even a case of 'horrible serial killer' , but rather an equally horrible series of unconnected bloodbaths that were remarkable in their similarities? ...
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... – Henry Lee Moore, Denver Post, May 10, 1913.



Here is Department of Justice Special Agent M.W. McClaughry's report on the spree of axe murders in which he implies that Henry Lee Moore was the serial killer responsible for at least 25 murders...
Microsoft Word - HI815 History Paper.doc (rootsweb.com) ... imho, it's a pretty good effort, but for this theory to be correct, you would have to just swallow the fact that .... "would such an accomplished evil psychopathic murderer that carried out so many successful gruesome murders, and being lucid and careful enough to leave no evidence behind really think it wise for him to go and draw the close-up gaze of the police by going and giving his own mother and grandmother a slightly less frenzied axe murdering?" ... and also, as Alan Gauthreaux [the criminal historian] points out that there was a very strong candidate to be added to this already long and horrific string of murders dating from June 5th 1910 in Marshall Town Iowa, ... where three members of the Hardy family suffered the same fate as the other victims murdered with very much the same M.O.... and at this time Moore was one month into his 12 months sentence at the Hutchinson Correctional Facility Kansas for forgery! ... so for me at least, he may well have been an unsavoury low-life pecker-wood that more than likely murdered his own mother and grandmother [at least] ... he probably was not the prolific Pan-American axeman that McClaughry thought he was.
They were all absolutely diabolic acts of evil perpetrated on fellow human beings , not to mention the innocence of all of those children/babies slaughtered without a hint of mercy and common humanity , and that makes this person, if indeed it was just one person that committed these heinous crimes a pretty good candidate for being the holder of this thread title.
... here is my old mate Oddie's video on the Villisca Axe Murders ....
... The Villisca house,... legendary as it already is, incidentally has like other tragic human events actually morphed into a money-spinning macabre attraction, in which you are cordially invited [for an affordable fee] to come visit, spend time and even sleep in the rooms that the 'head-bashings' took place in. ... And on special occasions you can even pretend to see and take snapshots of ghosts, ... or even stab yourself in the chest with a knife and insist that the murderer's ghost did it! [must not be allowed to have an axe post mortem!!] ... The villisca ax-murder house ghost photos (photonshouse.com)

Cheers.
 

1963

Noble
A couple more contenders from early 20th century Hungary for the title? ... well in my opinion, the first one [Bella Kiss] is definitely a strong contender, and although the second one that I present [Viktória Fődi ] murdered at least six men [but strongly suspected of another twelve] is suspect is not so much 'Evil' but is rather a victim of cruel circumstance combined with a peculiar physical and mental abnormality brought on by a medical disorder, but nevertheless, I thought that you might find the true story of 'Pipe Smoking Peter' as interesting as I did...
Firstly 'Bella Kiss' is perhaps Hungary's most infamous serial killer ... not in terms of numbers perhaps as it seems that there is only evidence for 24 murders [but many more have been attributed to him] ... but rather because no one knows the real number or whatever happened to him, because he escaped justice several times and it seems that he evaded capture by being one step in front of the law all over the world! ...
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Bella Kiss. 28 Jul 1877 - 19??. The Mystery of Bela Kiss, the Phantom Vampire Killer | Mysterious Universe

... and then we come to Viktória Fődi Rieger , whom in my humble opinion is an even more interesting character altogether, inasmuch as she is the only 'transvestite serial killer' that i've heard of... and is also a stone cold killer that still grabs a tiny piece of my sympathy because of the conditions that created her...
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Unknown Gender History: The Cross-Dressing Husband-Killer For Hire: Viktoria Foedi Rieger - 1933 (unknownmisandry.blogspot.com)

...Well, both fascinating cases , one of which i've known since my teens [Kiss] and the other a relatively new to me but nonetheless riveting ... but the question is.... are they true contenders for the title of "Most Evil"??.. what do you guys think?

Cheers.
 
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