Mass Shooting in Las Vegas

Dundee

Fading day by day.
I´d rather get robbed by a youth gang than shot tbh.

Also should continue a Chicago vs. Berlin, Philly vs. Rome etc. ..

My hometown is considered to be among the most criminal of the country. Turns out we have the harshest controls in the public transport and most "crime" here comes from people using public transportation without ticket. Still listed in the statistics.
I used to be a security guard, on of the guys I worked with was a wanker, he carried a loaded 38 with 2 speed loaders in the belt. 18 bullets on hand. I pointed out to him that there is probably not half a dozen full time police officers in the town we lived in that have had to fire a single shot in the last 10 years. He was just a wanker. I refused to carry the 38, and be armed at all. I am not going to shoot some one over a bag of loot. And a 38 on my hip just makes me a target, no 38, put your hands up. The world is full of cowboys (derogatory comment on OZ) who think they are Ned Kelly or Billy the kid.
 

CasualBystander

Celestial
Good grief not you too nivek, surely your not in the same boat as CB, it was a throw away comment, to illustrate a point. However if you insist I justify it...

Mass shootings in America are a serious problem -- and these charts show just why - CNN

If you go with the raw numbers ...
According to the Gun Violence Archive, which compiles data from shooting incidents, a "mass shooting" is any incident in which a gunman ...
  • shoots or kills four or more people
  • in the same general time and location
By that definition, according to the Gun Violence Archive, we have seen 273 mass shootings from January 1 to October 3.
That averages to 7.5 mass shootings a week.



Under the narrowest definition ...
The government has never defined "mass shooting" as a standalone category. Let's go with the most commonly accepted definition, from the Congressional Research Service: a shooting in which a gunman ...
  • kills four or more people
  • selects victims randomly (ruling out gang killings or the killing of multiple family members)
  • attacks in a public place
That definition rules out the Congressional baseball practice shooting in June, because the gunman didn't kill four people. In September, a man shot and killed eight people in Plano, Texas -- but that attack doesn't count either because police say the gunman had a "connection to the house."
Using that narrow definition to the Gun Violence Archive numbers, we have seen nine deadly mass shootings from January 1 to October 3.
That averages to one a month.

Chicago has 1/20 of the US gun murders. The fact that Chicago didn't show up like a search light was a dead giveaway.

As were the categories "home invasion", "defensive use", and "unintentional shooting".

If you kill 5 or 6 people with a gun and it is unintentional, reality in your world works different than mine.

Wiki using presumably the same standard for Oztralia and the US has since 2000, 93 for the US and 11 for Oztralia which is the US equivalent of 153.

From what I can tell, any shooting by White People was considered a "Mass Killing".
 

CasualBystander

Celestial
I´d rather get robbed by a youth gang than shot tbh.

Also should continue a Chicago vs. Berlin, Philly vs. Rome etc. ..

My hometown is considered to be among the most criminal of the country. Turns out we have the harshest controls in the public transport and most "crime" here comes from people using public transportation without ticket. Still listed in the statistics.

Yeah, that was something I noticed about other English speaking countries, they have much higher theft rates.

We shoot them in the US, which may impact the homicide rate a little but causes a dramatic decrease in theft.
 

OLP

Adept
Not from an english speaking country, nah.

Just quit carrying expensive stuff around. Not worth the robb...
 

CasualBystander

Celestial
Not from an english speaking country, nah.

Just quit carrying expensive stuff around. Not worth the robb...

Well, 90% of crime is due to recidivism (repeat offense) so if you shoot them the first time the crime rate goes way down.

I used to be a security guard, on of the guys I worked with was a wanker, he carried a loaded 38 with 2 speed loaders in the belt. 18 bullets on hand. I pointed out to him that there is probably not half a dozen full time police officers in the town we lived in that have had to fire a single shot in the last 10 years. He was just a wanker. I refused to carry the 38, and be armed at all. I am not going to shoot some one over a bag of loot. And a 38 on my hip just makes me a target, no 38, put your hands up. The world is full of cowboys (derogatory comment on OZ) who think they are Ned Kelly or Billy the kid.
A story about a suspect shot 68 times:

Florida Police Shot Suspected Cop Killer 68 Times
"I suspect the only reason 110 rounds was all that was fired was that's all the ammunition they had," Polk County Sheriff Grady Judd said.

Other news on the subject:
The Coroner also reported that the illegal alien died of natural causes.

When asked by a reporter how that could be since there were 68 bullet wounds in his body, he simply replied "when you are shot 68 times you are naturally gonna die."
 

OLP

Adept
Well, 90% of crime is due to recidivism (repeat offense) so if you shoot them the first time the crime rate goes way down.


...

Well..were I live you are dealing with clans mainly. Albanese, arab, .. you shoot one, his cousins and brothers are out to get you. Look poor and uninvolved. It´s a hydra.
 

Dundee

Fading day by day.
La
at home I supposed, yes, in case the zombies roll out. that´s totally understandable and only proves you´ve been to the movies.
Laugh all you want but when the Zombies come, don't come looking to me for protection. Ill be still trying to remember where I put the keys to my gun cabinet. lol :)
 

Dundee

Fading day by day.
CB, you have reached a point with me that you live so far out of reality that it really is almost impossible to debate you.You care nothing for truth or reason, all you care about is your guns. Clear thinking just seems to evade you.
You grasp at the craziest notions in some odd attempt to make them deny, what pretty much the rest of the planet sees as plain as the nose on your face. I can see now why the majority of the people in the US (as per my previous post) who want tighter gun laws are unable to get them, with people as plain and simply stubborn and selfish as you in power in the NRA, what hope has clear thinking and plain common sense got. To contradict Spock, it seems that the needs of the few, outweigh the needs of the many in your world. So long as you have your guns and your laws that protect them, who cares who dies. It is just bizarre.
 

Dundee

Fading day by day.
Some folks like to be USA bashers, there are lots of times you see on the news people bagging out US foreign policy, and a lot of the things that happen. Even on out old forum there have been times over the years that threads have started to rubbish the big stick the US wields on the world stage. I have never been a US brasher, I believe historically the contribution the US has played in maintaining a version of world peace cannot be understated, In the past world wars, the same can be said. The contribution by the US is great. Likewise people have said, Oh the US should just mind there own business and leave the world be. Well, my answer to that has always been, if they did, someone else would likely fill the void and we better start learning another language. I guess what I am saying is that although many of the decisions the US has made have been necessary, however unpalatable, they have made hard decisions for arguable the good of the many.
However
As a personal observation. While I still support the US as a friend and Ally, I am finding it increasingly difficult to do so. When you see a mad man like Trump in power, and he still seems to have support. As an onlooker, he is an unbalance, madman who can be baited on a tweet? This is the most powerful man in the world?. When you see the obtuse attitudes to guns, no matter how many people die, and so much of what is going on that is centered around US and its policies. When so many people in other countries are just scratching their heads in wonder at what is happening in the US, and on the world stage that the US is behind. It is getting increasingly difficult to stand up in defense of our biggest brother and friend.
I am seeing this shift in attitude in a lot of people I talk to. I am only 55, so there are others with more years behind them than I. But I have never seen this shift before. Not even through the cold war which I remember much of with fear, did this shift happen. It is a disturbing trend. I am not sure what to make of it.
 

CasualBystander

Celestial
Well..were I live you are dealing with clans mainly. Albanese, arab, .. you shoot one, his cousins and brothers are out to get you. Look poor and uninvolved. It´s a hydra.


Well, that is pretty easy to solve, if you look at them as nodes on a spanning tree, you just keep killing until you come to a node that is harmless or doesn't care.

If you take a proactive approach a few times they learn that vengeance isn't the best tactic.

I'm a softy though. I actually have a 36 inch baseball bat (36 ounce) that I keep for dealing with intruders. And I can hit a home run in softball.
 

Caeldeth

Noble
Have you ever shot a man Casual? I'm guessing no. People like you talk a big talk but when it comes down to it you would be pissing down your leg if you got into a firefight. It's not as easy as one might think to pull that trigger and kill a man.
 

nivek

As Above So Below
Good grief not you too nivek, surely your not in the same boat as CB, it was a throw away comment, to illustrate a point. However if you insist I justify it...

Mass shootings in America are a serious problem -- and these charts show just why - CNN

If you go with the raw numbers ...
According to the Gun Violence Archive, which compiles data from shooting incidents, a "mass shooting" is any incident in which a gunman ...
  • shoots or kills four or more people
  • in the same general time and location
By that definition, according to the Gun Violence Archive, we have seen 273 mass shootings from January 1 to October 3.
That averages to 7.5 mass shootings a week.



Under the narrowest definition ...
The government has never defined "mass shooting" as a standalone category. Let's go with the most commonly accepted definition, from the Congressional Research Service: a shooting in which a gunman ...
  • kills four or more people
  • selects victims randomly (ruling out gang killings or the killing of multiple family members)
  • attacks in a public place
That definition rules out the Congressional baseball practice shooting in June, because the gunman didn't kill four people. In September, a man shot and killed eight people in Plano, Texas -- but that attack doesn't count either because police say the gunman had a "connection to the house."
Using that narrow definition to the Gun Violence Archive numbers, we have seen nine deadly mass shootings from January 1 to October 3.
That averages to one a month.

Given most of your sources of links is from the fake news source called CNN I'll pass on those alleged facts...I live in America and do not see, nor read, nor hear about mass killings once a month, that's ridiculous...

We do have a gun violence problem confined to one city though, Chicago...
 

Dundee

Fading day by day.
Given most of your sources of links is from the fake news source called CNN I'll pass on those alleged facts...I live in America and do not see, nor read, nor hear about mass killings once a month, that's ridiculous...

We do have a gun violence problem confined to one city though, Chicago...
So this is a fake new source is it? Honest question.
Didn't CNN just publish it, the research was done by Pew?

Source: Survey of U.S. adults conducted in March 13-27 and April 4-18, 2017, "America's Complex Relationship With Guns," Pew Research Center

These are the people according to their website, they seem reasonably well credentialed. But then I don't live in the US, so Pew Research Center is considered unreliable in your country is it?


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Dundee

Fading day by day.
Also CB, I was thinking before about something you said. Your military people, like ours receive extensive training in weapons. I confess to never having served, But I do come from a Military family, My Grandfather served in France in WW1, My dad was a Commando in New Guinea and Borneo in WW2, an 5 of his 6 brothers all served overseas. My eldest brother did a tour of Vietnam and my Next brother did 14 years army. So while I make no claim to being an expert, I have grown up with many stories. Like most soldiers, they only tell the funny and harmless ones. But the one thing I have been able to see is the extensive training soldiers get in weapons handling. It is not something I think is taken lightly in our armed forces. In a much earlier post you were pretty sarcastic about Australians needing to do a course about safe gun handling etc before you can get a license to own a firearm here. I think you gloated about your daughter loving to play with guns and you letting her do so when little, and leaving loaded guns round the house etc.
Doesn't it make you think your apparent nonchalant attitude to guns, and disdain for formal training might be a little misguided, given the emphasis our military places on the exact opposite?

However knowledgeable you think you are about guns, I am betting you would get a rude awakening should you find yourself in a confrontation, of even knowledge, let alone use, with a real soldier.
I know who I would put my money on in such a confrontation. And his initials would not be CB.
All my family have a very healthy respect, and a very strict attitude towards guns. And apart from me, they were all serving soldiers.
 

nivek

As Above So Below
So this is a fake new source is it? Honest question.
Didn't CNN just publish it, the research was done by Pew?

Source: Survey of U.S. adults conducted in March 13-27 and April 4-18, 2017, "America's Complex Relationship With Guns," Pew Research Center

Yes fake news source, CNN wrote All 3 of the news links you posted, not Pew...If you want to just focus on Pew research graphs imbedded within then that is also an extremely small margin of days, years and people on that obviously biased survey...
 

Caeldeth

Noble
So is the only "real" news the news that supports your ideas? Who is to say your sources are "real" news? Not saying CNN is trust worthy, I just find this whole "fake news" thing amusing at times.
 

nivek

As Above So Below
So is the only "real" news the news that supports your ideas? Who is to say your sources are "real" news? Not saying CNN is trust worthy, I just find this whole "fake news" thing amusing at times.

I find it amusing too lol, which I why I sometimes use it...So many sources are not trustworthy, it helps to broaden the usage of many sources if possible...A subject such as this there's going to be such a wide variety of viewpoints and opinions...
 
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