Mac Tonnies on the Cryptoterrestrial UFO Hypothesis

karl 12

Noble
For folks interested in discussion and speculation about UFO origin then did think this interview with the late Mac Tonnies was a pretty interesting (and entertaining) romp through the various hypotheses and opinions out there including his own 'cryptoterrestrial' idea that UFOs may have more to do with a species of intelligent non-humans indigenous to the planet Earth that have 'adapted to our numerical superiority by developing a surprisingly robust technology'.

The inter-dimensional hypothesis is also discussed (and the 'trickster element') as well as specific UFO occupant cases and the work of various researchers including Jacques Vallee and John Keel.


Interview:



Author, blogger and Fortean researcher Mac Tonnies argued that the ET hypothesis (that aliens are visiting our world from other star systems) is somewhat of an outmoded concept, and the truth may be stranger than we can imagine, involving a myriad of overlapping explanations. The notion of parallel worlds has gained credence in the scientific world, and the aliens could represent a kind of symbiosis with beings from another dimension, he noted. The so-called ETs could be a species of intelligent non-humans, or "Cryptoterrestrials" who covertly share our planet with us. Because aliens are typically described as a bipedal and human-like species, it suggests to him they have developed here on Earth.



Mac Tonnies outlines the CTH:




The loss of Mac Tonnies at the age of 34 was a great shame but as he says in the interview the CTH could be an option that warrants further investigation - don't know if other folks agree with the idea of a race of techologically superior indigenous humanoids sharing our planet and being in some way responsible for UFO (or USO) reports but for further discussion the interview below with Tim Binnall really does go in depth and expands on other ufological aspects surrounding the hypothesis.


Mac starts out by giving us the basics on the CTH and brings everyone up to speed on just what it is. He talks about how the CTH came about and what separates it from the Jaques Valee theory of interdimensional beings.

If the cryptoterrestrials exist here on Earth, where are they most likely to be located ? He explains how the CTH "works" better than the ET hypothesis when it comes to reports of UFOs over nuclear facilities. He also explains how abductions may be best explained with the cryptoterrestrial hypothesis.

Mac tries to clear up the misconception that the CTH v. ETH debate is an "either / or" scenario. He talks about methods of testing the cryptoterrestrial hypothesis. We find out what Mac thinks the CTs would look like. Also, how doee classic UFO scenario into the CTH. (If the CTs are on Earth, what are UFOs?)

Interview Link


The link is defunct nowadays but looks like even Zoologist Ivan T Sanderson was speculating about the CTH as far back as 1960s so it doesn't appear to be too much of a relatively new concept.


CTH:

Sanderson at several points suggested the possibility that the "occupants" of UFOs might be artificial life forms. He was not dogmatic about this, and also entertained the idea that they might be an as-yet unknown life-form indigenous to Earth. Still, the concept of UFOs as a form of artificial intelligence is fertile enough that we might have expected some follow-up.

USOs:

Sanderson reminds us of the hard yet oft-forgotten fact of UFOlogy, which is, most UFOs seem inextricably connected with water - They are very frequently seen entering and leaving water, moving through or above water, and otherwise interacting with water. Sanderson explores all the implications of this, leading him to postulate that most UFOs are actually USOs - Unidentified Submerged Objects, and their pilots, these other intelligences (OINTS), may have evolved alongside of humanity but under the sea.


Links:


UFOs: Looking Beyond the Extraterrestrial Theory

An Extraterrestrial Presence or Unknown People?

Waterufo

Full text of 'The Cryptoterrestrials'.
 

karl 12

Noble
Radio discussion bringing up some intriguing aspects of the CTH.

See 06:45






Greg Bishop, Paul Kimball and Nick Red fern discuss Mac Tonnes:

 

karl 12

Noble
Couldn't source this pic but an interesting one nonetheless.


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Vid delving into the pros and cons of the concept.


 

nivek

As Above So Below
Couldn't source this pic but an interesting one nonetheless.


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Vid delving into the pros and cons of the concept.



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This block brings up an interesting topic of discussion and one that I enjoy discussing, why were there many more contact reports and sightings during our nuclear bomb era of testing and cold war frictions?...I think the text box above may be partially correct that if there are alien bases in our planet and possibly the moon there would be more activity from them if they had concerns, however in regards to the alien contact reports, there were a very wide variety of species during that era which cannot all be attributed to aliens having bases close by unless there were/are dozens of different species with bases here...

No I think our nuclear destinations affected certain frequencies or resonance or vibration which like a ripple effect reverberated outward in all directions and was noticed by other species at other locations other than earth...Our nukes could have caused a wave of disturbance into parallel dimensions or other subtle realms just out of phase with our own and intelligent life noticing this came to investigate...Maybe our nukes looked like a flare in a certain light or frequency spectrum that is monitored or used by intelligent species in our galaxy and upon detonation we got noticed and they came to investigate whilst sharing this information with their neighbors and allies causing others to come here too...

There's a great many possibilities and/or reasons why we saw such an increase in contact reports and sightings during our nuclear era, the idea in the text box is probably part of the answer but not the whole answer...

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Rick Hunter

Celestial
I see no reason why aliens wouldn't have some kind of permanent presence here. They have been visiting Earth for eons and clearly have the technology to do it. They can't exactly check in to a Holiday Inn. Well, I guess they could but good luck finding one with saucer parking!
 
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