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For folks interested in discussion and speculation about UFO origin then did think this interview with the late Mac Tonnies was a pretty interesting (and entertaining) romp through the various hypotheses and opinions out there including his own 'cryptoterrestrial' idea that UFOs may have more to do with a species of intelligent non-humans indigenous to the planet Earth that have 'adapted to our numerical superiority by developing a surprisingly robust technology'.
The inter-dimensional hypothesis is also discussed (and the 'trickster element') as well as specific UFO occupant cases and the work of various researchers including Jacques Vallee and John Keel.
Interview:
Mac Tonnies outlines the CTH:
The loss of Mac Tonnies at the age of 34 was a great shame but as he says in the interview the CTH could be an option that warrants further investigation - don't know if other folks agree with the idea of a race of techologically superior indigenous humanoids sharing our planet and being in some way responsible for UFO (or USO) reports but for further discussion the interview below with Tim Binnall really does go in depth and expands on other ufological aspects surrounding the hypothesis.
The link is defunct nowadays but looks like even Zoologist Ivan T Sanderson was speculating about the CTH as far back as 1960s so it doesn't appear to be too much of a relatively new concept.
Links:
UFOs: Looking Beyond the Extraterrestrial Theory
An Extraterrestrial Presence or Unknown People?
Waterufo
Full text of 'The Cryptoterrestrials'.
The inter-dimensional hypothesis is also discussed (and the 'trickster element') as well as specific UFO occupant cases and the work of various researchers including Jacques Vallee and John Keel.
Interview:
Author, blogger and Fortean researcher Mac Tonnies argued that the ET hypothesis (that aliens are visiting our world from other star systems) is somewhat of an outmoded concept, and the truth may be stranger than we can imagine, involving a myriad of overlapping explanations. The notion of parallel worlds has gained credence in the scientific world, and the aliens could represent a kind of symbiosis with beings from another dimension, he noted. The so-called ETs could be a species of intelligent non-humans, or "Cryptoterrestrials" who covertly share our planet with us. Because aliens are typically described as a bipedal and human-like species, it suggests to him they have developed here on Earth.
Mac Tonnies outlines the CTH:
The loss of Mac Tonnies at the age of 34 was a great shame but as he says in the interview the CTH could be an option that warrants further investigation - don't know if other folks agree with the idea of a race of techologically superior indigenous humanoids sharing our planet and being in some way responsible for UFO (or USO) reports but for further discussion the interview below with Tim Binnall really does go in depth and expands on other ufological aspects surrounding the hypothesis.
Mac starts out by giving us the basics on the CTH and brings everyone up to speed on just what it is. He talks about how the CTH came about and what separates it from the Jaques Valee theory of interdimensional beings.
If the cryptoterrestrials exist here on Earth, where are they most likely to be located ? He explains how the CTH "works" better than the ET hypothesis when it comes to reports of UFOs over nuclear facilities. He also explains how abductions may be best explained with the cryptoterrestrial hypothesis.
Mac tries to clear up the misconception that the CTH v. ETH debate is an "either / or" scenario. He talks about methods of testing the cryptoterrestrial hypothesis. We find out what Mac thinks the CTs would look like. Also, how doee classic UFO scenario into the CTH. (If the CTs are on Earth, what are UFOs?)
Interview Link
The link is defunct nowadays but looks like even Zoologist Ivan T Sanderson was speculating about the CTH as far back as 1960s so it doesn't appear to be too much of a relatively new concept.
CTH:
Sanderson at several points suggested the possibility that the "occupants" of UFOs might be artificial life forms. He was not dogmatic about this, and also entertained the idea that they might be an as-yet unknown life-form indigenous to Earth. Still, the concept of UFOs as a form of artificial intelligence is fertile enough that we might have expected some follow-up.
USOs:
Sanderson reminds us of the hard yet oft-forgotten fact of UFOlogy, which is, most UFOs seem inextricably connected with water - They are very frequently seen entering and leaving water, moving through or above water, and otherwise interacting with water. Sanderson explores all the implications of this, leading him to postulate that most UFOs are actually USOs - Unidentified Submerged Objects, and their pilots, these other intelligences (OINTS), may have evolved alongside of humanity but under the sea.
Links:
UFOs: Looking Beyond the Extraterrestrial Theory
An Extraterrestrial Presence or Unknown People?
Waterufo
Full text of 'The Cryptoterrestrials'.