Travis Walton UFO abduction was a Hoax, admits crew boss

nivek

As Above So Below
Travis Walton “UFO abduction” was a hoax, admits crew boss – hoax admission recorded on April 30, 2021

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...hear the telephone admission of hoax – – video, courtesy of Orion Adventures:



Background to this call:

Ryan Gordon had been in talks with Mike Rogers and Travis Walton beginning in June 2020. Ryan was driving when Mike called him out of the blue. This was not uncommon for Mike to do.


When Mike started to tell Ryan that the event was hoaxed, Ryan pulled his truck over and put his phone on speaker and recorded the call with his Apple Watch pursuant to Ariz. Rev. Stat. Ann. § 13-3001. The date of the call is April 30, 2021.

UFO Hoax Confession by Mike Rogers.

Partial transcript:


“All I can remember….like…is that…uhh….we were…we were talking in the woods one day….Travis and I….and uhh…..I….I remember…..leaving a chainsaw on a stump…..okay….he had a saw but he took his with him…because we were talking about creating….uhh…uhh….a UFO hoax….okay?”

“I remember that uhh…..uhh….when I drove….when I was driving the truck and he jumped out….it was….it was all deliberate….it was all uhh….staged thing….okay?”

“And he ran up there and uhh….and there was something….there was something about the UFO uhh….not being real…..although it looked real….”

Ryan Gordon:

What you’re saying is…uhh…you and Travis..together…hoaxed this?

Mike Rogers:

Yeah….I mean Travis’ brother Duane helped him.”

“Phillip Klass uhh…….actually suspected that uhh…..uhh Duane was…..was part of it.”

“I mean, he was his protector and uhh…..he was saying weird things on that Fred Sylvanus interview – – ‘I have nothing. I don’t fear for at all for his life. I know where he’s at’..blah blah….you know?”

“And I thought all along that he was just trying to….uhh….how would you say it?….make himself belief that his brother was okay…”

On March 19, 2021, Mike Rogers posted the following to his personal Facebook page:

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Mike Rogers says he is “no longer to be considered a witness to Travis Walton’s supposed UFO abduction”

P.S.

ON LIE DETECTOR TESTS:

Comment from Orion Adventures:

“The reason why the crew all passed the lie detector test was because the question on the lie detector was not about UFOs. Here is a good comment from Orion: “This was a question I had asked, well UNTIL I looked at what the polygraph consisted of. The questions they were asked had to do with a missing person and/or murder investigation – NOT a UFO abduction. We must remember that law enforcement is not in the business of conducting polygraphs to prove or disprove UFO abductions. Of course they passed the polygraph – they didn’t kill Travis nor did they have anything to do with his disappearance.”

P.S.

Comment from Victor Coleiro:

“I interviewed Mike around that time (March of 2021). He had been posting on Facebook that Travis was a UFO Hoaxer.

The interview was basically Mike complaining that Travis had owed him money and that Travis did not tell him of another movie he was lining up.

But they came to terms and they were all good again.”

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nivek

As Above So Below
What's the motivation for speaking up and saying this now?...

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dr wu

Noble
Who knows...but I have always had doubts on this case. Way back when it happened Walton's grandmother was interviewed shortly after he returned and regarding the ufo abduction she said that Travis and his gang were always up to something and were practical jokers always getting into trouble. I don't have a link to this but I am positive I recall this from the old days.
 

HAL9000

Honorable
Maybe conscience ? But there is one thing about that statement. If you don't ask the right question you won't get the right answer.
 

Rick Hunter

Celestial
Short answer, the MIBs got to him finally!

Seriously though, the problem we now confront is that Mike Rogers is a liar. He was lying then or he is lying now, but either way he is a liar. And that is problematic. In my mind, it doesn't diminish the credibility of the abduction story nearly as much as it diminishes Rogers' credibility.
 

HAL9000

Honorable
Short answer, the MIBs got to him finally!

Seriously though, the problem we now confront is that Mike Rogers is a liar. He was lying then or he is lying now, but either way he is a liar. And that is problematic. In my mind, it doesn't diminish the credibility of the abduction story nearly as much as it diminishes Rogers' credibility.

So we immediately have a problem that stops any serious investigation of the subject.

If you have someone who says something then retracts it it can be fairly said that he is a liar. But which is the lie ? The event or the declaration it was a hoax ?

It is the 'cries wolf' problem.

Mind, telling porkies seems to be the in-thing in some quarters.
 

Rick Hunter

Celestial
I don't see why Rogers outing himself as a liar should stop the investigation. After all, there are a number of others who stand by what they said. To me, the question of whether Rogers was lying then or lying now isn't as important as the simple fact that he is lying. Either he voluntarily participated in one of the greatest UFO hoaxes of all time for over 40 years, or he is now trying to discredit one of the greatest abduction stories of all time. I think either option bankrupts Rogers' credibility.
 

dr wu

Noble
Well..I don't understand it that way.....if this was a real abduction (and btw I am skeptical about all 'alien abductions'),
then why would he say it wasn't after all these years. For what reason?
But if it was a hoax, it makes sense for a person to come clean before they die as they get older. Conscience as Hal said above does ring true for many people as time goes on.
 

nivek

As Above So Below
But if it was a hoax, it makes sense for a person to come clean before they die as they get older. Conscience as Hal said above does ring true for many people as time goes on.

The vibes I get from past reading on this alleged abduction and subsequent interviews tells me it didn't play out like they would have us believe...They may have seen a UFO which gave them the idea to fake all the rest, I don't know...So I have to go with the clearing conscience theory as motivation for this revelation from Mike Rogers, there's nothing else to go on IMO...

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JahaRa

Noble
The vibes I get from past reading on this alleged abduction and subsequent interviews tells me it didn't play out like they would have us believe...They may have seen a UFO which gave them the idea to fake all the rest, I don't know...So I have to go with the clearing conscience theory as motivation for this revelation from Mike Rogers, there's nothing else to go on IMO...

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But what did they gain from it? None of them really got enough out of it to make it worthwhile, even that money wasn't worth the harassment and denigration that they went through, starting with the murder investigation, which was a real investigation. I met Travis Walton once and he was not a braggart or one who sought attention, he hid from it as long as he could. He never even wrote a book until fairly recently. All the books and stories were written by others that weren't even there at the time. I could consider the possibility that it was some mind control experiment by military types, those did go on at that time quite a bit.
 

HAL9000

Honorable
Maybe another lie detector test would be useful ?

Questions like 'were you lying before ?

And all related to the ufo aspect.
 

pigfarmer

tall, thin, irritable
Maybe conscience ? But there is one thing about that statement. If you don't ask the right question you won't get the right answer.

Depends on what the right answer is. Sounds like the police got theirs.

and it was James Garner. not really, but I like to think so.
 

Rick Hunter

Celestial
The vibes I get from past reading on this alleged abduction and subsequent interviews tells me it didn't play out like they would have us believe...They may have seen a UFO which gave them the idea to fake all the rest, I don't know...So I have to go with the clearing conscience theory as motivation for this revelation from Mike Rogers, there's nothing else to go on IMO...

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If, it is a matter of clearing his conscience then I hope it worked for him. As far as everyone else is concerned, I think Rogers' change of heart only attracts more attention to the case and isnt going to change anyone's mind. In that regard, I think it would have been better to simply decide he was no longer going to talk about the case to anyone.
 
If I recall correctly, Travis Walton was married to Mike Rogers' sister. This isn't the first time family drama has entered the story. I don't know who to believe, and don't care really.
 

pigfarmer

tall, thin, irritable
It's been some time since I read about this but there was talk that his mother wasn't too worried about him when he was missing, and then there's the people that he went to first, the jug of piss and all that. Opened the door to speculation about the land clearing contract. Money gets into things like a penetrating oil, causes things to happen. Who knows. What I do know for sure is that this case is old and has been in pop culture too long and is a great story but useless as a case study in a real UFO event.

If he had gone to the police directly like Charlie and Calvin people would be less skeptical. His own fault.
 

JahaRa

Noble
It's been some time since I read about this but there was talk that his mother wasn't too worried about him when he was missing, and then there's the people that he went to first, the jug of piss and all that. Opened the door to speculation about the land clearing contract. Money gets into things like a penetrating oil, causes things to happen. Who knows. What I do know for sure is that this case is old and has been in pop culture too long and is a great story but useless as a case study in a real UFO event.

If he had gone to the police directly like Charlie and Calvin people would be less skeptical. His own fault.

Your city perspective causes you confusion about how things are in rural areas. If you had been missing for 4 days in the 70's in the forest, you find yourself walking on a road and there is a pay phone, you are going to call the police instead of your closest relative? That is not how people think. And there was no such thing as 911 back in those days. Also, it is a rural area, it seems reasonable that a family member could come pick you up quicker than a sheriff's deputy.
 

pigfarmer

tall, thin, irritable
Your city perspective causes you confusion about how things are in rural areas. If you had been missing for 4 days in the 70's in the forest, you find yourself walking on a road and there is a pay phone, you are going to call the police instead of your closest relative? That is not how people think. And there was no such thing as 911 back in those days. Also, it is a rural area, it seems reasonable that a family member could come pick you up quicker than a sheriff's deputy.

Capt. Kirk said he was from Iowa and only worked in outer space. I only worked in the city. I live upstate and you can get to a whole lot of empty wilderness pretty quick
 
Pretty much any sheriff has a whole list of people they are looking for in the woods or wherever.

James Garner's sheriff or deputy is the best part of the movie by a good margin. He nailed it.
 
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