How is The Coronavirus affecting your life?

JahaRa

Noble
She had to take him there for treatment because he had the virus again?

I thought the rule was that even if you are healthy, if someone in your circle has the virus, you self isolate the entire group because even if you don't have it, you can spread it to others as a carrier?
He had the virus in Jan 2020. He was fully recovered. When my sister and her daughter got sick 2 1/2 weeks ago they isolated, and have been. He got sick a week ago and at first it seemed he was doing better than they did the week before, but now he is in the hospital because he can't breathe. Probably damage to his lungs from the first go round.
 

nivek

As Above So Below
In the county I live we have 91 active cases of Covid-19 with 11 of those in the hospital but no deaths in the last seven days...47% of the county has been vaccinated...

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pigfarmer

tall, thin, irritable
In the county I live in of 300K people there are 247 active cases with 9 in the hospital, no deaths, 55% fully vaccinated
 

nivek

As Above So Below
People have made their choices about the vaccine and they will live or die by that choice, simple...I am tired of being pushed and told what I can or cannot do when we have pre-pandemic years as a judge...I'm extremely sympathetic to people who are falling ill with covid, vaccinated or not but all the hysteria and crap needs to stop...Its not like we don't know what to expect at this point, this is all a repeat performance by covid, irregardless of the reasons, stop blaming people...People made their choices and I say lets just get on with our lives, let people live with their choices, of course help anyone who needs help but the powers that be needs to stop pushing people around and stop vilifying everyone by their choices...

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AD1184

Celestial
People have made their choices about the vaccine and they will live or die by that choice, simple...
The elderly, the vulnerable, those who did not produce a significant immune response after vaccination, and some others, shall live or die by the choices of the vaccines refusers.
 

nivek

As Above So Below
The elderly, the vulnerable, those who did not produce a significant immune response after vaccination, and some others, shall live or die by the choices of the vaccines refusers.

The elderly and vulnerable should already be taking extra measures and not openly associating themselves with just anyone if they are using any common sense...You state this as if they are sitting ducks and they are not, they also have choices to make and should be taking precautions if there is concern...

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nivek

As Above So Below
the vaccines refusers.

If the Johnson & Johnson wasnt available to me I would be one of those refusers...I will not get any mRNA vaccine or booster...

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AD1184

Celestial
At that link, the third bullet point under the "Key Points" section is the following:

"A growing body of evidence indicates that people fully vaccinated with an mRNA vaccine (Pfizer-BioNTech or Moderna) are less likely than unvaccinated persons to acquire SARS-CoV-2 or to transmit it to others."

This appears to be in contradiction to a claim that vaccinated people can "pass it along just as easily."

Even then, what matters is not simply the conditional probability of a vaccinated person with a 'breakthrough' infection passing it along, but this conditional probability multiplied with that of their acquiring such an infection in the first place, which is also less than for an unvaccinated person. The effect of being vaccinated in reducing the spread of the virus is double, by both reducing the likelihood of being infected, and that of spreading it if infected.

If the Johnson & Johnson wasnt available to me I would be one of those refusers...I will not get any mRNA vaccine or booster...

If the Johnson and Johnson vaccine had not been available, it is likely that the AstraZeneca vaccine would have been approved in the US in its stead.

I'd sooner have an mRNA vaccine than be infected with the Chinese Communist Party's deliberately enhanced coronavirus.
 
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AD1184

Celestial
and please feel free to bandy that about as much as you would like

get out in public much anyone?
I went to collect my car from its annual service the other day. I brought a mask, and got it out of my pocket as I was headed in the door, but I saw that nobody else in the office was wearing one, so I didn't bother either.
 

nivek

As Above So Below
If the Johnson and Johnson vaccine had not been available, it is likely that the AstraZeneca vaccine would have been approved in the US in its stead.
Probably so and in that case I would have accepted the AstraZeneca vaccine...I'm not opposed to getting another J&J shot as a booster but I don't think its necessary for me at this time...

I'd sooner have an mRNA vaccine than be infected with the Chinese Communist Party's deliberately enhanced coronavirus.
On the surface that makes logical sense and generically I would agree, however after much of my own research into how these vaccines work I feel certain the mRNA vaccines will be harmful to me...As I've mentioned many times, my resistance against mRNA vaccines has nothing to do with any ideology nor religious belief or political influence but through my own understanding and how I think my body will react to it...I've done well enough keeping myself from getting Covid-19 and will continue to do so, I live by my own choices in life and will continue to do so since nothing I choose and do brings harm to anyone else...I'm not a careless, irresponsible, nor wreckless individual...

the Chinese Communist Party's deliberately enhanced coronavirus.
I think it may have been deliberately released as well...

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pigfarmer

tall, thin, irritable
Just as likely. OK. I see. That’s the bandying but I understand.

I unavoidably swim in an ocean of public contact, have had the virus (which I did not contract publicly) and have had my shots. Moderna but I didn’t care which. Spent considerable time over weeks in and out of the covid ward of a huge regional hospital and have been in & out of nursing homes. Used trains, subways etc. Not much choice.

What I am saying is there is a credibility gap - old term we need to dust off. Big difference between what I see directly myself and what comes out of the media and others I know who are relative shut ins. Hence my asking if anyone gets out. I’ve been in it literally from Day 1

I had get the vaccine as a practical necessity because I thought nursing homes might be one place where showing a vax card might make sense. I feel pushed enough over this as it is
 
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I think it may have been deliberately released as well...

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So you think it was some sort of experimental biological weapon or bioterrorism with plausible deniability on the behalf of China?

Wouldn't covering up something like that require a global conspiracy with multiple science institutions at this point? I know that China has growing influence, cash and pull, but this much.... doubt it.
 
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JahaRa

Noble
So you think it was some sort of experimental biological weapon or bioterrorism with plausible deniability on the behalf of China?

Wouldn't covering up something like that require a global conspiracy with multiple science institutions at this point? I know that China has growing influence, cash and pull, but this much.... doubt it.
I agree with @nivek that it was not accidental, but I don't think it came from China. That is the story but the way it has been hammered in to us (China is Bad...) resembles the way we were told over and over that Russia is Bad in the 60's & 70's The coverup probably has something to do with the actual origin of the virus. And that kind of conspiracy would require a lot fewer people. I know the virus hit the U.S. a lot sooner than we were told and months (more than 3) before the shutdown in March.
 

nivek

As Above So Below
I know the virus hit the U.S. a lot sooner than we were told and months (more than 3) before the shutdown in March.

According to posted news reports the first individual came into the US with the coronavirus about January 15th 2020 in Washington state...

Its posted here:

Deadly Wuhan Coronavirus

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