The True Origin of SARS‑CoV‑2 (Covid-19)

nivek

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A scientist says he's found 13 Wuhan coronavirus sequences that were deleted from a US database - and claims they're a 'goldmine' for research into the virus' origins

A researcher in Seattle claims he's discovered 13 partial coronavirus sequences from samples collected in Wuhan, China, that were deleted from a US database last year. The discovery could mean scientists researching the origins of the pandemic have been working with incomplete data, he said.

Dr. Jesse Bloom, a researcher at the Fred Hutchinson Cancer Center in Seattle, said Tuesday that he had recovered the deleted files from Google Cloud, and had reconstructed partial sequences of 13 viruses. He said they came from samples taken at the early stages of pandemic in Wuhan, where scientists first discovered SARS-CoV-2, the novel coronavirus that causes COVID-19.

The data initially came from a study by Wuhan University scientists, he said.

Bloom said his findings suggested the coronavirus was already circulating in Wuhan before being linked to COVID-19 outbreaks at the Huanan Seafood Market. They also suggested the sequences used in most studies into the virus' origins, including the joint WHO-China report, "are not fully representative of the viruses actually present in Wuhan at that time," he said.

Throughout the pandemic, Bloom has called for more research into the origins of the pandemic. But he told CNN that the new sequences alone didn't provide any further evidence about whether the virus spread naturally from animals to humans or was, as some claim, the result of a laboratory leak.

Bloom said that the samples, from early outpatients in Wuhan, were a "gold mine" for scientists wanting to understand the spread of the virus. Bloom's findings, published in a paper, haven't been peer-reviewed by experts.

Bloom said that there was "no plausible scientific reason" for the sequences being deleted from the US National Institutes of Health (NIH) database. The NIH said that it had removed the sequences in June 2020 at the request of the person that added them to the database, and said that allowing this was standard practice, CNN reported.

Prof David Robertson, an expert on viruses at the University of Glasgow, said in a statement that it was difficult to "conclude this is a cover-up rather than a more mundane deletion of data," based on Bloom's paper. "We also know already that the Huanan market wasn't the sole spillover event and SARS-CoV-2 was probably circulating in late October/November," he said.

Prof Martin Hibberd, of the London School of Hygiene & Tropical Medicine, said in a statement: "More work would need to be done to know how solid these findings are, particularly the accuracy and reasons for the sequence deletions, but it does look intriguing."

Bloom said that he was reviewing genetic data when he discovered a March 2020 study about 241 genetic virus sequences collected by scientists at Wuhan University. He said he couldn't find the research online publicly, but was able to access 13 sequences via Google Cloud.

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wwkirk

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A scientist says he's found 13 Wuhan coronavirus sequences that were deleted from a US database - and claims they're a 'goldmine' for research into the virus' origins

A researcher in Seattle claims he's discovered 13 partial coronavirus sequences from samples collected in Wuhan, China, that were deleted from a US database last year. The discovery could mean scientists researching the origins of the pandemic have been working with incomplete data, he said.

Dr. Jesse Bloom, a researcher at the Fred Hutchinson Cancer Center in Seattle, said Tuesday that he had recovered the deleted files from Google Cloud, and had reconstructed partial sequences of 13 viruses. He said they came from samples taken at the early stages of pandemic in Wuhan, where scientists first discovered SARS-CoV-2, the novel coronavirus that causes COVID-19.

The data initially came from a study by Wuhan University scientists, he said.

Bloom said his findings suggested the coronavirus was already circulating in Wuhan before being linked to COVID-19 outbreaks at the Huanan Seafood Market. They also suggested the sequences used in most studies into the virus' origins, including the joint WHO-China report, "are not fully representative of the viruses actually present in Wuhan at that time," he said.

Throughout the pandemic, Bloom has called for more research into the origins of the pandemic. But he told CNN that the new sequences alone didn't provide any further evidence about whether the virus spread naturally from animals to humans or was, as some claim, the result of a laboratory leak.

Bloom said that the samples, from early outpatients in Wuhan, were a "gold mine" for scientists wanting to understand the spread of the virus. Bloom's findings, published in a paper, haven't been peer-reviewed by experts.

Bloom said that there was "no plausible scientific reason" for the sequences being deleted from the US National Institutes of Health (NIH) database. The NIH said that it had removed the sequences in June 2020 at the request of the person that added them to the database, and said that allowing this was standard practice, CNN reported.

Prof David Robertson, an expert on viruses at the University of Glasgow, said in a statement that it was difficult to "conclude this is a cover-up rather than a more mundane deletion of data," based on Bloom's paper. "We also know already that the Huanan market wasn't the sole spillover event and SARS-CoV-2 was probably circulating in late October/November," he said.

Prof Martin Hibberd, of the London School of Hygiene & Tropical Medicine, said in a statement: "More work would need to be done to know how solid these findings are, particularly the accuracy and reasons for the sequence deletions, but it does look intriguing."

Bloom said that he was reviewing genetic data when he discovered a March 2020 study about 241 genetic virus sequences collected by scientists at Wuhan University. He said he couldn't find the research online publicly, but was able to access 13 sequences via Google Cloud.

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Prof. Robertson may not be suspicious, but I sure am.
 

nivek

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A followup to the above article and information...

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Deleted gene sequences confirm coronavirus circulated before Wuhan seafood market

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Sergei Pond, an expert in analyzing sequences at Temple University in Philadelphia, praised Bloom's research, saying it confirmed some of his own work and offered ideas for finding more early sequences.

Genetic sequences taken from people who caught the virus at the Wuhan seafood market likely had three mutations from the original viral sequence, Pond and Bloom both estimate. "For SARS-CoV-2, 3 mutations translate to about 4-6 weeks of evolution (roughly). Hence the Wuhan market is not a plausible single origin source," Pond said.

Pond agreed there was nothing nefarious about the decision to delete data warehoused on a site run by the U.S. government. "They often receive requests to delete records for all kinds of reasons (e.g. wrong data submitted, sample contamination, technical errors, duplicate submissions), and honor them. This is routine," Pond said via email. "In fact, they must delete data if requested by the submitter."

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nivek

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Hmmm...

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An Australian scientist who was the only foreigner at the Wuhan virus lab says she never got COVID-19 and doesn't believe the center leaked it

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On Sunday, Bloomberg News published an interview with Danielle Anderson, a 42-year-old expert in bat-borne viruses, who worked at the institute's BSL-4 lab until November 2019.
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However, Anderson told Bloomberg that she was not aware of anyone at the Wuhan lab falling ill at that time.

"If people were sick, I assume that I would have been sick-and I wasn't," she said. "I was tested for coronavirus in Singapore before I was vaccinated, and had never had it."

In December, Anderson said, she was reunited with many of her colleagues from Wuhan at a conference in Singapore, and that that none of them reported anything out of the ordinary at the lab.


"There was no chatter," Anderson said. "Scientists are gossipy and excited. There was nothing strange from my point of view going on at that point that would make you think something is going on here."

Anderson also told Bloomberg that the lab had stringent safety protocols, and that she didn't believe the virus had leaked from there.


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wwkirk

Divine
Hmmm...

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An Australian scientist who was the only foreigner at the Wuhan virus lab says she never got COVID-19 and doesn't believe the center leaked it

(Excerpt)

On Sunday, Bloomberg News published an interview with Danielle Anderson, a 42-year-old expert in bat-borne viruses, who worked at the institute's BSL-4 lab until November 2019.
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However, Anderson told Bloomberg that she was not aware of anyone at the Wuhan lab falling ill at that time.

"If people were sick, I assume that I would have been sick-and I wasn't," she said. "I was tested for coronavirus in Singapore before I was vaccinated, and had never had it."

In December, Anderson said, she was reunited with many of her colleagues from Wuhan at a conference in Singapore, and that that none of them reported anything out of the ordinary at the lab.

"There was no chatter," Anderson said. "Scientists are gossipy and excited. There was nothing strange from my point of view going on at that point that would make you think something is going on here."

Anderson also told Bloomberg that the lab had stringent safety protocols, and that she didn't believe the virus had leaked from there.


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Since she worked there, she may be beholden to them. Beware of testimony from anyone invested in the Wuhan lab.
 

wwkirk

Divine
Video at link
Chinese whistleblower exposes COVID-19's origins on 'Tucker Carlson Today'

Yan, who was working at a World Health Organization reference lab in Hong Kong during the onset of the pandemic, was assigned as a secret investigator to probe COVID-19, which was being called the "Wuhan pneumonia" at the time. However, she said she was warned by her supervisor, Dr. Leo Poon, not to ask too many questions.

She was told not to touch the "red-line" or else face the consequences from the CCP.
"Don't touch the red line-- that means ‘invisible principle,’" Yan said. "Don't break it. If not, I have to be responsible for that. It means the invisible things that China's government won't be happy [about]."

Utilizing her network of contacts – which included Chinese lab researchers, CDC-involved military, and civilian locations -- Yan soon noticed "abnormal" actions being taken by the CCP.

"So briefly, China's government knows those things happened in Wuhan. And it's definitely more than they announced, at least for the confirmed cases," Yan said. "They hide one-third of patients." "And all the patients has [sic] to have the seafood market history before they get diagnosed, which is very abnormal," Yan added.
 

nivek

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Video at link
Chinese whistleblower exposes COVID-19's origins on 'Tucker Carlson Today'

Yan, who was working at a World Health Organization reference lab in Hong Kong during the onset of the pandemic, was assigned as a secret investigator to probe COVID-19, which was being called the "Wuhan pneumonia" at the time. However, she said she was warned by her supervisor, Dr. Leo Poon, not to ask too many questions.

She was told not to touch the "red-line" or else face the consequences from the CCP.
"Don't touch the red line-- that means ‘invisible principle,’" Yan said. "Don't break it. If not, I have to be responsible for that. It means the invisible things that China's government won't be happy [about]."

Utilizing her network of contacts – which included Chinese lab researchers, CDC-involved military, and civilian locations -- Yan soon noticed "abnormal" actions being taken by the CCP.

"So briefly, China's government knows those things happened in Wuhan. And it's definitely more than they announced, at least for the confirmed cases," Yan said. "They hide one-third of patients." "And all the patients has [sic] to have the seafood market history before they get diagnosed, which is very abnormal," Yan added.

This is the part of the article from your link (quoted below) that we need some hard proof of that taking place...

This virus was a prime candidate to turn into a biological weapon, but the CCP first needed to test the virus on a small sample group in order to determine how to best utilize it against the world.

Yan was shocked to discover that the testing site was Wuhan. China was allegedly testing on its own people.

"They test it in Wuhan. It gets out of control. They didn't expect that to happen," she said. "At that point, they realize, OK, it's out. They lied about that. But then, they intentionally allowed some huge number of people, some infected, from Wuhan to travel around the world to infect the rest of the world."

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wwkirk

Divine
This is the part of the article from your link (quoted below) that we need some hard proof of that taking place...



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Yes. It's important not to automatically endorse claims we are inclined to believe.

Unfortunately, in this, as well as in many other things, there is an overarching handicap. China is mostly a totalitarian nation, where even the internet is censored. Regarding this topic at least, the inquiry should have been tackled as more of an espionage challenge, rather than as a standard inquiry.
 

wwkirk

Divine
Yes. It's important not to automatically endorse claims we are inclined to believe.

Unfortunately, in this, as well as in many other things, there is an overarching handicap. China is mostly a totalitarian nation, where even the internet is censored. Regarding this topic at least, the inquiry should have been tackled as more of an espionage challenge, rather than as a standard inquiry.
Here's one for you. She could even be a "double-agent" who propagates a story to make China look bad, only to have her tale exposed as a fabrication once it starts being widely accepted. Then, all of a sudden, China looks like the victim.
 

nivek

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Lab leak theory, once 'political dynamite,' gains credibility in new study

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The coronavirus was a topic of intense scientific fascination, yet the four Australian researchers challenging conventional wisdom about how the pandemic originated couldn’t find a publisher for their study.

“We were quite stunned,” recalls one of that study’s authors, Dr. Nikolai Petrovsky, an endocrinologist at Flinders University in Australia who is also developing a coronavirus vaccine. The work he and his group had done only received what he called “blanket rejections.”

That finally changed late last month, when Nature Scientific Reports published their paper, “In silico comparison of SARS-CoV-2 spike protein-ACE2 binding affinities across species and implications for virus origin.” The journal is part of the prestigious Nature family of publications. Acceptance there has given greater credibility to a theory that until recently was taboo: that the coronavirus could have emerged from a laboratory.
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The Australians, however, in addition to ruling out a number of species as potential intermediaries, found that the coronavirus hadn’t seemed to need an intermediate species in order to proliferate through the human population. Studying genomic data of human virus isolates from the very earliest stages of the pandemic in China, they saw that the coronavirus was already well adapted to infect humans, even at a stage where it is not thought to have infected more than a few hundred people in Hubei province. Such quick and efficient adaptation to humans meant the virus may “have arisen from a recombination event that occurred in a laboratory handling coronaviruses,” wrote the Australian group, which along with Petrovsky and Winkler included Sakshi Piplani and Puneet Kumar Singh.

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wwkirk

Divine
Interesting excerpts. Pure science? No politics involved?
The coronavirus was a topic of intense scientific fascination, yet the four Australian researchers challenging conventional wisdom about how the pandemic originated couldn’t find a publisher for their study.
Some wonder why the study’s publication took so long. “It’s definitely concerning that the paper took over one year to be accepted for publication,” says Pat Fidopiastis, a microbiologist at California Polytechnic State University. “It’s important to continue asking questions and demand honest answers.”
 

wwkirk

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WHO chief says it was ‘premature’ to rule out COVID lab leak

BERLIN (AP) — The head of the World Health Organization acknowledged it was premature to rule out a potential link between the COVID-19 pandemic and a laboratory leak, and he said Thursday he is asking China to be more transparent as scientists search for the origins of the coronavirus.

In a rare departure from his usual deference to powerful member countries, WHO Director-General Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus said getting access to raw data had been a challenge for the international team that traveled to China earlier this year to investigate the source of COVID-19. The first human cases were identified in the Chinese city of Wuhan.

Tedros told reporters that the U.N. health agency based in Geneva is “asking actually China to be transparent, open and cooperate, especially on the information, raw data that we asked for at the early days of the pandemic.”

He said there had been a “premature push” to rule out the theory that the virus might have escaped from a Chinese government lab in Wuhan - undermining WHO’s own March report, which concluded that a laboratory leak was “extremely unlikely.”

“I was a lab technician myself, I’m an immunologist, and I have worked in the lab, and lab accidents happen,” Tedros said. “It’s common.”

In recent months, the idea that the pandemic started somehow in a laboratory — and perhaps involved an engineered virus — has gained traction, especially with President Joe Biden ordering a review of U.S. intelligence to assess the possibility in May.

China has struck back aggressively, arguing that attempts to link the origins of COVID-19 to a lab are politically motivated and has suggested that the outbreak might have started abroad. At WHO’s annual meeting of health ministers in the spring, China said that the future search for COVID-19′s origins should continue — in other countries.

Most scientists suspect that the coronavirus originated in bats, but the exact route by which it first jumped into people - via an intermediary animal or in some other way - has not yet been determined. It typically takes decades to narrow down the natural source of an animal virus like Ebola or SARS.

Tedros said that “checking what happened, especially in our labs, is important” to nailing down if the pandemic had any laboratory links.

“We need information, direct information on what the situation of this lab was before and at the start of the pandemic,” the WHO chief said, adding that China’s cooperation was critical. “If we get full information, we can exclude (the lab connection).”

Throughout the pandemic, Tedros has repeatedly praised China for its speed and transparency despite senior WHO officials internally griping about obfuscation from their Chinese counterparts.

Last year, The Associated Press found that WHO was frustrated by a lack of details from China during the early stages of the coronavirus’ spread and showed that China was clamping down on the hidden hunt for the pandemic’s origins.

Numerous public health experts have also called for an independent examination of COVID-19′s origins, arguing WHO does not have the political clout to conduct such a forensic analysis and that the U.N. agency has failed after more than a year to extract critical details from China.

Jamie Metzl, who has led a group of scientists calling for a broader origins investigation, welcomed Tedros’ comments but said it was “deeply unfortunate and dangerous” that there were no current plans for a probe led by experts beyond the U.N. health agency, saying that China has repeatedly blocked requests for all relevant records and samples.

Georgetown University law professor Lawrence Gostin, an expert in public health law, said Tedros’ unusual plea for Chinese cooperation underlines how weak WHO is.

“WHO has no powers or political heft to demand access to information critical for global health,” Gostin, who also is director of a WHO Collaborating Center on Public Health Law and Human Rights, “All Tedros can do is use the bully pulpit, but it will fall on deaf ears,” he said.

Any WHO-led mission to China also requires government approval for all experts who travel to the country, as well as permission to visit field sites and final approval on any trip report.

Tedros’ appeal for transparency was echoed by German Health Minister Jens Spahn, who urged Chinese officials to allow the investigation into the origins of the virus to proceed.

“We do appreciate the cooperation of the Chinese government so far for the first mission,” Spahn said. “But that’s not yet enough.”
 

nivek

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Area201

cold fusion
Acknowledging the possibility of a lab leak without the wild conspiracies built up with it.

"COVID Origin and the Lab Leak Theory

Jon Stewart was just on late night with Stephen Colbert, and his take on the lab leak theory of COVID surprised the audience. Of course, how COVID originated is important because the answer can aid in the prevention of future pandemics. But there was something that Jon Stewart said that I think is over-the-top.

COVID Origin and the Lab Leak Theory Timestamps ⏩
00:00 About Doctor Mike Hansen
00:21 Reaction about the Jon Stewart Reaction Statement on Stephen Colbert Show
02:33 The COVID Origin
04:08 Close Living Quarters - Humans and Animals
04:55 SARS-COV-2's Closest Relative
05:31 The LAB LEAK Theory of COVID
06:33 The Timeline of COVID
07:40 The Precedent for LAB Accidents
09:32 Genetic Manipulation
12:17 Was the COVID Virus Biologically Manipulated?

On May 26, 2021, President Biden directed the U.S. Intelligence Community to step up their investigative efforts into the origin of the covid pandemic and report back in 90 days. In addition, Australia, the European Union, and Japan have expressed a desire to make a more concerted effort to determine the covid origin.

Finally, on March 4, 2021, prominent scientists, in an open letter to the WHO, called for a full and unrestricted investigation. Why the sudden interest?

A recently released U.S. intelligence report stated that several researchers at China's WIV fell ill in November 2019 and had to be hospitalized. And just today, there was a study that showed evidence that people had antibodies in the United States in December of 2019.

The Lab leak theory
Was an employee at the Wuhan virology lab accidentally infected and then spread the virus, especially if the initial contacts were asymptomatic? The largest collection of bat samples, especially ones containing bat coronaviruses, are in the Wuhan Institute of Virology.

Could poor lab techniques by inadequately trained technicians allow the virus to escape? Could researchers at the Wuhan Institute of Virology have made the virus more virulent and transmissible by experimenting with a gain of function mutations? These mutations are designed to hasten the evolutionary process so scientists can be prepared for future pandemics. This theory carries more controversy than the theory that the virus was naturally transmitted. It is more politically charged and has economic, social, and political implications. Unfortunately, this theory received only a brief mention in the WHO report. A mere 4 of the 313 pages of the report were devoted to it.

The Timeline
Several researchers inside the Wuhan Institute of Virology became ill in the fall of 2019 with symptoms consistent with COVID or the seasonal flu. Then, in November 2019, three of the WIV researchers became sick enough to seek hospital care.

Dr. Robert Redfield believes the current pandemic began in Wuhan as a localized outbreak in September-October 2019. Especially because of how well-adapted this virus is to human ACE2 receptors. This virus essentially hit the ground running.

The Program for Monitoring Emerging Diseases did not formally notify the U.S. of the cluster of patients with pneumonia until December 31, 2019.

Dr. Robert Kadlac said that China used this 30 day lead time to purchase supplies. Dr. Redfield spoke with his Chinese counterpart, Dr. George Gao, who was distraught that many people infected with COVID were not at the wet market.

The Precedent for Lab Accidents Lab accidents have caused previous outbreaks of infection in China and elsewhere. In Beijing, China, for example, an outbreak infected nine people and killed one. In addition, a smallpox lab leak occurred in the United Kingdom in 1978, and an anthrax lab leak occurred in the United States in 2014. Furthermore, Dr. Shi Zhengli, aka the batwoman, has admitted that coronavirus research was carried out in labs with Biosafety Level 2 rather than the more stringent Biosafety Level 4. In a Biosafety Level 2 lab, researchers wear white coats and gloves, not protective gear.

U.S. Embassy officials raised concerns about WIV's lab safety in 2018. Chinese experts have also expressed concerns about lab safety in their own country, lamenting that "lab trash can contain man‐made viruses, bacteria or microbes" and that "some researchers discharge laboratory materials into the sewer after experiments without a specific biological disposal mechanism."

U.S. Labs have also been cited for safety issues, including the Biosafety level (BSL)‐4 U.S. Army Medical Research Institute of Infectious Diseases facility in Fort Detrick. This theory gains credence when independent journalists, investigators, and global health authorities have been denied access to WIV researchers.

Doctor Mike Hansen, MD
Internal Medicine | Pulmonary Disease | Critical Care Medicine Website: https://doctormikehansen.com/

 

nivek

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WaPo's Josh Rogin: 'Fauci was wrong' about denying NIH funded Wuhan 'gain of function' coronavirus research

Washington Post columnist Josh Rogin, who stood out in the media over the past year for his reporting on the possibility the coronavirus pandemic may have leaked from a Chinese lab, said Tuesday that Dr. Anthony Fauci was wrong to deny the National Institutes of Health ever funded "gain of function" research in Wuhan.

Sen. Rand Paul, R-Ky. and Fauci had a fierce exchange on the issue again Tuesday, as the White House medical adviser angrily said Paul didn't know what he was talking about. But Rogin said Fauci was playing word games.

"Hey guys, [Rand Paul] was right and Fauci was wrong," he tweeted. "The NIH was funding gain of function research in Wuhan but NIH pretended it didn't meet their "gain of function" definition to avoid their own oversight mechanism. SorryNotSorry if that doesn't fit your favorite narrative."

As the lab-leak theory has gained credibility after being widely dismissed in the press last year, there's more attention being paid to monies given to the Wuhan Institute of Virology, known for its bat coronavirus research, and so-called "gain of function" methods, which involves manipulating viruses to make them more infectious for research.

Fauci, the director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, has repeatedly denied any NIH money went to such research in Wuhan, but his organization has given millions of dollars in grant money to the EcoHealth Alliance, a research nonprofit that funneled at least $600,000 to Wuhan coronavirus research.


(More on the link)

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nivek

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US intelligence agencies are trawling through a trove of genetic data obtained from Wuhan lab in bid to uncover the origins of COVID-19

US intelligence agencies are looking through a large trove of virus samples from the Wuhan Institute of Virology in a bid to determine whether COVID-19 may have originated there after the theory was largely dismissed last year. The search is part of President Joe Biden's push for the intelligence community to reach a definitive answer on the origins of COVID-19 by the end of this month.

Intelligence officials have decided on two likely scenarios: that the virus emerged from human contact with an infected animal or from a laboratory accident, Biden said when he announced a 90-day push for answers on May 26.

Multiple sources have told CNN that intelligence agencies are now studying a giant catalog containing the genetic blueprints of virus samples studied at the lab in Wuhan.

It's unclear how the US obtained access to the data given that the Chinese government has been uncooperative in efforts to track down the origins of the virus.

China refused to hand over raw data on 174 early cases to a team of investigators at the World Health Organization, according to Reuters. The country has defended its transparency efforts.

The earliest cases of COVID-19 emerged in Wuhan in October and November 2019, according to the journal Emerging Microbes & Infections. The first cases were linked to visits to the Hunan Seafood Wholesale Market.

Analyzing the trove of new data presents technological and staffing challenges. Agencies are using supercomputers at the Department of Energy's National Labs, a collection of 17 elite government research institutions, CNN reports.

Finding qualified staff to analyze the highly complex Chinese data has also been an obstacle. 'Obviously there are scientists who are (security) cleared,' one source told CNN.

'But Mandarin-speaking ones who are cleared? That's a very small pool. And not just any scientists, but ones who specialize in bio? So you can see how this quickly becomes difficult.'

Investigators have long sought genetic data from 22,000 virus samples at the Wuhan Institute of Virology, but it's unclear if that's the trove the government is analyzing now.

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AD1184

Celestial

I have not read this report, but the fact that it is from a partisan political source does not give it much credibility. It is from members of the House Foreign Affairs Committee, but only Republican members. Republicans in the US House of Representatives have shown largely that they are in thrall to one individual--Donald Trump--and would likely produce a report 'proving' the opposite if that is what he wished. Does the report present any new facts? I am not saying that I think any more highly of the Democrats, but only if there is cross-party support for an investigation that produces new facts that this issue can move forward.
 

AlienView

Noble
More than coincidence ???

"Iran’s top security and intelligence commander was killed early Friday in a drone strike at Baghdad International Airport that was authorized by President Trump, American officials said........"
- Published Jan. 2, 2020

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January 9 — WHO Announces Mysterious Coronavirus-Related Pneumonia in Wuhan, China

At this point, the World Health Organization (WHO) still has doubts about the roots of what would become the COVID-19 pandemic, noting that the spate of pneumonia-like cases in Wuhan could have stemmed from a new coronavirus. There are 59 cases so far, and travel precautions are already at the forefront of experts’ concerns.

January 20 — CDC Says 3 US Airports Will Begin Screening for Coronavirus........."


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In Iran, the leadership convened an emergency security meeting. And the country’s supreme leader, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, issued a statement calling for three days of public mourning and then retaliation.

“His departure to God does not end his path or his mission,” the statement said, “but a forceful revenge awaits the criminals who have his blood and the blood of the other martyrs last night on their hands.”

United States officials were braced for potential Iranian retaliatory attacks, possibly including cyberattacks and terrorism, on American interests and allies........"

U.S. Strike in Iraq Kills Qassim Suleimani, Commander of Iranian Forces (Published 2020)


I read an interesting article describing how this virus would have been an ideal terrorist attack
- It was based upon speculation but made a lot of sense.

But you say it would have come back to kill the terrorist who released it - Those type of terrorist don't give a damn
- Especially when many of them have an objective to end the World !!!

And just because the virus was first discovered in Wuhan does not mean it was created there - the Chinese in Wuhan, especially because of the lab there, just may have been more vigilant about discovering viruses.
 
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