The P C Madness thread.

JahaRa

Noble

My daughter's second grade teacher did or said something and the next day half of the class was not present, the principal was called by more than half the parents, including me and she got fired. I don't remember what it was now, but back then it was a big deal. And she probably was surprised and shocked because we lived in Midland, Texas where half the population were arrogant, bigoted rich people, and the 3/4 of the town were bible thumping christians always recruiting and condemning anyone they thought was a "heathen". I probably don't remember what exactly happened because that 3 years I was in total shock and stress everyday by the attitudes and idiocy of the people I had to work with and my neighbors.
 

dr wu

Noble
Here the Mail is acting as PC policeman. Have any traditionally PC media had anything to say about it?

I have no idea....but I looked up the Daily Mail and it is consdered a tabloid style paper with low credibility compared to others in England.
 

nivek

As Above So Below
I have no idea....but I looked up the Daily Mail and it is consdered a tabloid style paper with low credibility compared to others in England.

Sure discredit anything you don't agree with...

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AD1184

Celestial
I know about the Mail and its politics of old, long before it became the world's largest news website. It is a British tabloid-format newspaper, and I am British. It print edition is marginally better than its online form, but that is not saying much.

I was wondering if any left wing publications (i.e. not the Mail) had brought up Biden's recent remarks. Nivek's link to the CNN story is from two years ago, which shows Biden has form in this regard.
 

nivek

As Above So Below
Nivek's link to the CNN story is from two years ago, which shows Biden has form in this regard.

Yes I posted that to show Biden has a history of such remarks as well as he does with other deplorable things, he's not fit to be president...

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pigfarmer

tall, thin, irritable
I should have some free time after 4 today and thought I'd stop at a nice restaurant on my way home from work.

Considering what's been going on in the news I want to find a few people I identify as Biden voters and supporters - because you can tell just by looking at them - and make a scene, raise a fuss and call them out for their apparent stupidity and general disgustingnfulness.

Because that's acceptable for political disagreements, right? My TV has told me so quite a bit in the past.

Hopefully their kids will be at the table too and will also benefit from the civics lesson.
 

HAL9000

Honorable
I should have some free time after 4 today and thought I'd stop at a nice restaurant on my way home from work.

Considering what's been going on in the news I want to find a few people I identify as Biden voters and supporters - because you can tell just by looking at them - and make a scene, raise a fuss and call them out for their apparent stupidity and general disgustingnfulness.

Because that's acceptable for political disagreements, right? My TV has told me so quite a bit in the past.

Hopefully their kids will be at the table too and will also benefit from the civics lesson.

Don't forget to remind them that it was Trump who initiated the pull out. So he kind of boxed Biden in on that one.
Got to think that he should have kept Bagram open until the end though.
 

pigfarmer

tall, thin, irritable
Don't forget to remind them that it was Trump who initiated the pull out. So he kind of boxed Biden in on that one.
Got to think that he should have kept Bagram open until the end though.
You missed the point and there wasn’t even a linked article to not read
 

AD1184

Celestial
Don't forget to remind them that it was Trump who initiated the pull out. So he kind of boxed Biden in on that one.
Got to think that he should have kept Bagram open until the end though.
This is perhaps more relevant in the other thread, but:

Yes, Trump initiated the pull-out, and in a manner that put all the conditions and onus for action--and restraint--on the US and its allies and none on the Taliban (i.e. he effectively surrendered to the Taliban) while pretending that meaningful concessions had been won from the Taliban.

However, it was a campaign promise from Biden to withdraw militarily from Afghanistan. He also said, on the 19th of February of this year

"My administration strongly supports the diplomatic process that’s underway and to bring an end to this war that is closing out 20 years."

Timeline of U.S. Withdrawal from Afghanistan - FactCheck.org

That "diplomatic process" was the US withdrawal in accordance with Trump's surrender agreement.

Since then, his statements on the matter have been contradictory. He has both blamed Trump's deal for the chaotic withdrawal, and also said that the responsibility lies with himself (he said "the buck stops with me").

Despite the timeline imposed by Trump's agreement, Biden actually violated it by extending the deadline for withdrawal from the beginning of May to the end of August. During that period there have been numerous strategic blunders and intelligence failures that have led to the chaos that cannot easily be pinned on Trump.

And perhaps Biden is not entirely to blame either. Yes, he is commander-in-chief, and "the buck stops" with him, as he himself said, but he had reportedly been advised by Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Mark Milley as recently as July that the Afghan military would be able to hold in the face of the Taliban's advance. Is Biden to blame for the US defence intelligence apparatus being unable to perform its function? The facts on paper about Afghanistan were not facts but falsehoods.

It is perhaps a bit much to expect that the coalition that had been making an absolute shambles of its intervention in Afghanistan for twenty years would be able to withdraw competently and without embarrassment. Instead, we withdrew much as we intervened: making a complete dog's dinner of it.
 
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HAL9000

Honorable
Probably even Trump didn't expect the Afghan army to fold so quickly.

But it's done now.

Time to move on into the Brave New World.
 

JahaRa

Noble
Don't forget to remind them that it was Trump who initiated the pull out. So he kind of boxed Biden in on that one.
Got to think that he should have kept Bagram open until the end though.
It really wasn't Trump or Biden, However WHY did Trump make a deal with the Taliban, when we have been told they are the terrorists we have been helping the Afghan government fight??? I remember Obama talking about pulling the troops out of Afghanistan too. The history is always ignored, re-written or ignored.
 

AD1184

Celestial
It really wasn't Trump or Biden, However WHY did Trump make a deal with the Taliban, when we have been told they are the terrorists we have been helping the Afghan government fight???
It was part of Trump's genius plan to get himself re-elected. He produced an agreement, in the campaigning period in 2020, binding on the US government to commit itself to withdrawal early in the next presidential term. He thought this would go over well with the electorate, and it was undertaken at the risk of passing the buck onto the next president (should he lose, which he did).
 

JahaRa

Noble
It was part of Trump's genius plan to get himself re-elected. He produced an agreement, in the campaigning period in 2020, binding on the US government to commit itself to withdrawal early in the next presidential term. He thought this would go over well with the electorate, and it was undertaken at the risk of passing the buck onto the next president (should he lose, which he did).
Well, it backfired on him and on us. He should not have been allowed to do it. There are supposed to be checks and balances and he overstepped them often, as if congress and the senate, and the citizens did not matter. And no surprise if any one ever paid any attention to him and what he said and did before he threw his hat in the ring for the 2016 election. The people I know who voted for him last time did not vote for him in 2020. Their reasons for voting for him was to make sure Hillary was not president, and look what it got them. So, they decided to vote 3rd party, most of them, at least some are waking up and deciding that "the least bad of two bad options" is unacceptable, especially when those two choices are equally bad.
 

pigfarmer

tall, thin, irritable
It really wasn't Trump or Biden, However WHY did Trump make a deal with the Taliban, when we have been told they are the terrorists we have been helping the Afghan government fight??? I remember Obama talking about pulling the troops out of Afghanistan too. The history is always ignored, re-written or ignored.

The problem with Trump isn't that he made a deal to leave. As I've said, the bear will leave the campground when it's ready to and it's in everyone's interest not to bother it as long as it really is leaving. The notion that Biden's hands were somehow tied is a nonstarter. The withdrawal date had already been changed. Going back and forth abut that is pointless. Gtamps pulled the plug too soon and the yes-men that surround him either couldn't or wouldn't stand up on their hind legs and do the right thing. Soon to be former Marine Lt. Col. Stuart Scheller has it exactly right.

I had not realized that Trump's administration freed up to 5000 prisoners from Afghan prisons a year ago. THAT stupidity he owns. He's got shit on him for this but Biden fucked this up royally all on his own.
 
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