The BETTY HILL STAR MAP and My Own Suggestions

I'd like to show an example of Intelligence agencies and how they operate. Just a small one. We all know, or should, that Google has oodles of CIA money in it, from the beginning. That's a fact proven by economical reports and can be searched (though perhaps not on Wakipedia or Google, try Dogpile). I upload new content on my new website in the mornings - it's easiest for me since the bandwidth is usually better in the early mornings. Please observe the following image.
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This shows my results or hits, and it's taken from the Google Ads pages. Just getting started so 40-50 per day is good for me.

Notice the lows. Do you find it credible that, besides my own hit to check out how it looks, exactly eight other people hit my page on those dates? Only eight, always eight and no more or less? Or isn't it more likely that Google has some people look it over, sort of like the eight on a list who need to see it, and then decides how far down to bury that page? I could show you last months as well - same deal - 9 minus my own or 8. Other days go up and down, which I understand. Last month I published mainly on Sunday's only - I had time then, and it was the same thing - so perhaps they work 7 days a week as well.

And notice also how the line goes nearly straight up after they decide it's ok to publish? Same thing on Quora - I have over a million views in two years. A million. And yet nearly 300 of my answers are frozen - permanently. It says that they are in "draft" status, and I just need to click to post them. What a laugh. Never happens. So that tells me when I get too close. If that's not enough, shortly after I post my computer goes down. Blue screen. Nothing changed, nothing downloaded, just quits. That's another little signal. Haven't had one in a month, so I must not be hitting the right spots lately. LOL
 
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pigfarmer

tall, thin, irritable
Here you go. First heard about it reading up on this guy - very, very interesting character nobody really heard of:
John P. Craven, 90, Pioneer of Spying at Sea, Dies (Published 2015)

The Wiki entry makes it seem mild. Project Pluto - Wikipedia

So does this History in Two: Manned Nuclear Aircraft Program > Air Force Materiel Command > Article Display

Friedman was likely involved in the latter, from interviews I've heard with him.

This link tells you this was absolutely insane. Craven attended the railway car test and was horrified to see it perform flawlessly. Imagine how much fun it would be if it were actually deployed over, say Cuba. Railcar's still wherever they put it, it'll be dangerous for a loooong time.

https://www.nnss.gov/docs/fact_sheets/DOENV_763.pdf
 
Here you go. First heard about it reading up on this guy - very, very interesting character nobody really heard of:
John P. Craven, 90, Pioneer of Spying at Sea, Dies (Published 2015)

The Wiki entry makes it seem mild. Project Pluto - Wikipedia

So does this History in Two: Manned Nuclear Aircraft Program > Air Force Materiel Command > Article Display

Friedman was likely involved in the latter, from interviews I've heard with him.

This link tells you this was absolutely insane. Craven attended the railway car test and was horrified to see it perform flawlessly. Imagine how much fun it would be if it were actually deployed over, say Cuba. Railcar's still wherever they put it, it'll be dangerous for a loooong time.

https://www.nnss.gov/docs/fact_sheets/DOENV_763.pdf

Yep, you're right - that's a good one. Spewing radioactive waste all over the place, sounds like a Queen's lyric.
 

Rick Hunter

Celestial
Here you go. First heard about it reading up on this guy - very, very interesting character nobody really heard of:
John P. Craven, 90, Pioneer of Spying at Sea, Dies (Published 2015)

The Wiki entry makes it seem mild. Project Pluto - Wikipedia

So does this History in Two: Manned Nuclear Aircraft Program > Air Force Materiel Command > Article Display

Friedman was likely involved in the latter, from interviews I've heard with him.

This link tells you this was absolutely insane. Craven attended the railway car test and was horrified to see it perform flawlessly. Imagine how much fun it would be if it were actually deployed over, say Cuba. Railcar's still wherever they put it, it'll be dangerous for a loooong time.

https://www.nnss.gov/docs/fact_sheets/DOENV_763.pdf

Gonna make a little thread derail here, please forgive me. I think a nuclear powered vehicle is the most likely explanation for the Cash-Landrum incident. The evidence of radiation exposure, the description of jets of flame coming out of the vehicle, and the helicopters following it all line up quite nicely with what we know about the Pluto device. We already had the technology to produce wingless jet or rocket powered aircraft which could move slowly and hover. The only part that really makes no sense is why they chose to run it over a populated area of Texas. Unless, they were hoping that someone from the general public would be "accidentally" exposed to it so that they could then quietly monitor the effects of the exposure. Remember, Colby Landrum stated that the asphalt which the craft passed over was quickly replaced, which isn't usually reported to happen in a typical UFO case.
 

pigfarmer

tall, thin, irritable
Gonna make a little thread derail here, please forgive me. I think a nuclear powered vehicle is the most likely explanation for the Cash-Landrum incident. The evidence of radiation exposure, the description of jets of flame coming out of the vehicle, and the helicopters following it all line up quite nicely with what we know about the Pluto device. We already had the technology to produce wingless jet or rocket powered aircraft which could move slowly and hover. The only part that really makes no sense is why they chose to run it over a populated area of Texas. Unless, they were hoping that someone from the general public would be "accidentally" exposed to it so that they could then quietly monitor the effects of the exposure. Remember, Colby Landrum stated that the asphalt which the craft passed over was quickly replaced, which isn't usually reported to happen in a typical UFO case.

I don't see a problem hijacking this thread - wasn't that really Betty and Barney's problem anyway ? :)

Sounds about right with Cash Landrum. Who the hell knows why it was where it was but it definitely sounds terrestrial.

The US has decades of experience developing enormous aircraft carriers, fleets of missile and fast attack submarines, small submersibles American submarine NR-1 - Wikipedia and tested manned bombers driven by nuclear power. We're also very, very good at radioisotope power generation systems. Those don't develop anywhere near the amounts of power to drive large vehicles but they have been doing quite nicely for unmanned exploration of our solar system. That isn't a secret but when those things launch nobody wants to mention the power source even if it's relatively small in case there's an accident.

In '77 could some hare-brained nuclear whatzit have escaped the barn and gone wandering over parts of Texas ? Sure. Would they admit it publicly, even when the families were suing for damages? Of course not. Speculation, but no doubt they have things tucked away that use all that R & D and available resources that we don't hear about.
 

pigfarmer

tall, thin, irritable
I'd like to show an example of Intelligence agencies and how they operate. Just a small one. We all know, or should, that Google has oodles of CIA money in it, from the beginning. That's a fact proven by economical reports and can be searched (though perhaps not on Wakipedia or Google, try Dogpile). I upload new content on my new website in the mornings - it's easiest for me since the bandwidth is usually better in the early mornings. Please observe the following image.
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This shows my results or hits, and it's taken from the Google Ads pages. Just getting started so 40-50 per day is good for me.

Notice the lows. Do you find it credible that, besides my own hit to check out how it looks, exactly eight other people hit my page on those dates? Only eight, always eight and no more or less? Or isn't it more likely that Google has some people look it over, sort of like the eight on a list who need to see it, and then decides how far down to bury that page? I could show you last months as well - same deal - 9 minus my own or 8. Other days go up and down, which I understand. Last month I published mainly on Sunday's only - I had time then, and it was the same thing - so perhaps they work 7 days a week as well.

And notice also how the line goes nearly straight up after they decide it's ok to publish? Same thing on Quora - I have over a million views in two years. A million. And yet nearly 300 of my answers are frozen - permanently. It says that they are in "draft" status, and I just need to click to post them. What a laugh. Never happens. So that tells me when I get too close. If that's not enough, shortly after I post my computer goes down. Blue screen. Nothing changed, nothing downloaded, just quits. That's another little signal. Haven't had one in a month, so I must not be hitting the right spots lately. LOL

Well, could be. This is off the cuff but I remember reading about Google's server farms for a paper I had to write some years ago. Even with virtualization they still have such massive power and cooling requirements that they were using hydro plants to get all that done. It wouldn't surprise me that any element of the government clandestinely partnered with them for some purpose - they do that with all kinds of private enterprise simply because they have some specific capability they are looking for and it makes more sense to work with them. There are historical precedents for that.

The USA Patriot Act is something that I honestly don't know how history will judge but suspect it won't be positive. The NSA has to sift though an awful lot so the use of massive state of the art resources, probably both in-house and commercially contracted seems logical. Spying on people and then flagging problems, yeah, no stretch for me. Don't know if they target individuals. But it's the sheer volume that it's hard to get your head around. Here's a really small, silly example. OK, service call for a major company with a telephone network of about 8000 people all over the country. A lot more to it than just phones sitting on desks, it gets complicated. All state of the art, not so much physical equipment anymore. But still some of necessity. So, on service calls I could easily plug a laptop into the right spots - and that's the trick - the right spot - and with freeware called Wireshark zippo-zingy I just captured all your phone calls. Sort through them, listen to them, whatever I want. Run away with them, they are mine. Did it often enough to troubleshoot problems. Thing is, it's like drinking from a firehose - just physically impossible at a certain point as the laptop's drive would fill very quickly.

Employ that for a network of at least 300 million people (at a minimum) for all media types and yeah, before long you're talking about unbelievable resources. Seems logical that a huge provider like Google might be involved in something like that. It's probably akin to using AI to sift Big Data for trends and so forth and automatically flagging items of interest for later digestion. You'd probably need to turn Jupiter into a storage device to keep it all, which I doubt they do for any great length of time.
 
Gonna make a little thread derail here, please forgive me. I think a nuclear powered vehicle is the most likely explanation for the Cash-Landrum incident. The evidence of radiation exposure, the description of jets of flame coming out of the vehicle, and the helicopters following it all line up quite nicely with what we know about the Pluto device. We already had the technology to produce wingless jet or rocket powered aircraft which could move slowly and hover. The only part that really makes no sense is why they chose to run it over a populated area of Texas. Unless, they were hoping that someone from the general public would be "accidentally" exposed to it so that they could then quietly monitor the effects of the exposure. Remember, Colby Landrum stated that the asphalt which the craft passed over was quickly replaced, which isn't usually reported to happen in a typical UFO case.

YES, it does sound like they tested it on US populations = wouldn't be the first time. Or the last.
 

Rick Hunter

Celestial
The USAF did interview the witnesses, only to immediately repeat the usual line that they no longer investigated UFOs and the witnesses should contact private UFO organizations. But, if they no longer investigate UFOs and the craft didn't belong to us, then why have two fairly high ranking officers interview them? Reading the transcript, I don't think that the officers themselves necessarily knew what was going on but clearly somebody wanted to hear what the witnesses said. They asked some fairly specific questions about physical effects from the exposure and also made sure to ask who the treating physicians were and which hospitals they had been to. Even if the craft was an actual UFO, I think the USAF was very much interested in collecting this sort of information about it's effects on people.
 
The USAF did interview the witnesses, only to immediately repeat the usual line that they no longer investigated UFOs and the witnesses should contact private UFO organizations. But, if they no longer investigate UFOs and the craft didn't belong to us, then why have two fairly high ranking officers interview them? Reading the transcript, I don't think that the officers themselves necessarily knew what was going on but clearly somebody wanted to hear what the witnesses said. They asked some fairly specific questions about physical effects from the exposure and also made sure to ask who the treating physicians were and which hospitals they had been to. Even if the craft was an actual UFO, I think the USAF was very much interested in collecting this sort of information about it's effects on people.
Yes, I agree - your logic sounds correct. They have Investigators on call, they have FBI agents that respond in thirty minutes to a landing, which tells me that they had known about the landing in advance, or at least the probability of it. they have stooge scientists like Friedman and Hynek, they have moles and CIA agents inside of MUFON and the other UFO circles, they have money and writers to arrange for a story to grow wings or to drop dead in the water. We have humanity and some old farts trying to piece it together.
And now they completely control the spread or suppression of whatever they are selling, and the media as well as print industries, along with Hollywood. We can do independent documentaries and low-selling books - and whispers online - but it's all we have so we have to keep at it.
 

pigfarmer

tall, thin, irritable
It's been too may years but we had Thanksgiving here one year and a house full of people. My sister-in-law's elderly dad was here and we had time to chat. I just can't recall the specifics but he did a stint or two in the Air Force in the 60s and he told me that he had been attached to the Intelligence section of several air bases. I doubt all reports made it to Blue Book. He literally interviewed a number of witnesses and never had a problem coming to some agreeable conclusion with them after dong so, even if there was no concrete answer. He said he wondered sometimes at the volume of reports but the idea was to keep peace with the local community. He told me that several times he went to various meetings in civilian dress and often carried a few beers with him because it could put people more at ease than a uniformed officer sitting in your living room.

Cool guy, glad we met. He has since passed but if I have the chance this Thanksgiving I'll as his Air Force veteran daughter for some detail.
 
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I missed my chance during my service time. I had just made E5 - Sgt. equiv., and since there are only 73 cryptographers in the world, and only 16 duty stations for us to work out of (major stations), I was given my choice after the first tour of two years in Japan. Had I known what I know now, I would have chosen Fallen, Nevada. Most people may not be familiar with the set up but the US Navy runs Area-51, with the Air Force using part of it for their testing. Fallen is not near there - its in the northwest corner of Nevada, but it handles all of the communications traffic for 51. Of course at that time nobody knew Area-51 even existed, other than the workers. Eventually they offered me money if I would stay so I stayed another two years in Japan.
We've talked about Betty and Barney - but what about the other friends of the Flintstones? Are we going to simply forget about them and their contributions to the stone age?
 

nivek

As Above So Below
 

Good to hear from you Nivek. Hope things are going good. Yes, just about what I thought. We have two ideas being pushed at the same time.
One is the standard government response to paint the aliens as evil, disgusting meddlers and pokers of human bodies against our will. The other is Betty's own appreciation for the aliens - so much so that she created a mock-up of the leader and kept it close to her the rest of her life. You can see it in a great many of her photos. Add to that her own report that they freely answered her questions, showed her around the craft, showed her star maps, tried to educate her a bit, and what do we have?

The normal human response - that they are scary, and stressful, but overall most would repeat it again if they could. Unless the government aliens (manufactured fakes) abduct you, and then once is quite enough. My evidence is very clear - the governments of both the US and Britain have been communicating with them for over 70 years, and they have intentionally doctored markings from the crafts in order to paint an evil picture of the aliens. They went out of their way to do this. And the Brits were worse - based on the markings reported from that craft, they intentionally downed one of the groups that is friendly towards humanity - the ones that have been trying to contact us.

But they needed their own Roswell, or else, no matter that it hurt those who might help the common folk.

When I see things written like by Whitley Streiber (former CIA) or others, about terrifying aliens, I know that either our own govt. got them in a fake abduction or they are spewing the official CIA line and keeping us hating the very thought of visitors from other planets.

Our religious leaders are lying as well. Yesterday I finished translating an ancient Sumerian tablet. Originally done by an archaeologist with Yale who is also a Lutheran Minister. For the name of the goddess he gives one, and then all agree, including the Univ of Penn and Oxford, that this "meaning is unknown". Really?
It caught my attention because all of their names have meanings. Broken down they give the attributes of each god/gtoddess.

This particular goddess whose name they say is unknown, easily translates to "the lady goddess who brought the body/persons from the Garden of the Gods in the Mountain Home, to fall down upon the earth.

Now if that's not a description of the Nephilim, I don't know what is. Giant sky gods, fallen to Earth, and she is also associated with the creation of humanity? Wow, better keep that under our hats.
Back to work now.
 
I have images that were drawn in the caves of France, and dated to 18,000 years ago. Within a few days I will post them as a new topic. They show Orion, but they include the Great Orion Nebula, a cloud system in the north of the constellation, that can not be seen with the naked eye, either then nor now. This is all from the archaeological reports themselves - I simply recognized them for what they were, and other archaeologists (one of whom is a Catholic Priest as well) put them down as scribbles. They are very clear. I've decided that some of the books that I have worked on for the past few years I don't have time to finish. I have enough material for about ten, and I will be publishing four. So from time to time I will post some of that data here. I just am getting very tired of the skeptics (none of you on here) demanding that we furnish them with star maps of groups that humans could not have known about, along with the bones of the giants, and metal artifacts that could not exist on earth, etc. it just goes on and on.
 

nivek

As Above So Below
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