Psychology Today article

pigfarmer

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Very interesting and something I have been harping on: maybe what the Navy has reported aren't what they appear to be at all they are at all. Also, when I say things like 'what the hell did Paul Bennewitz actually see ?' this is what I am talking about. Leik Myrabo, light craft and so forth.

Imagine what any program could do with say, TWICE the investment we made in Apollo. That's about what our early investment cost in deep ocean operations and it all went by mostly unnoticed - and when weird things appear in the areas in which they did most of the research and testing somehow we point to the sky and call it aliens. Too busy putting rulers on video screens and proclaiming how impossibly fast something is to consider any other terrestrial possibilities. Certainly Lue Elizondo and Christopher Mellon would prefer you call it ET but offer no real proof and I find that notable.

Reminds me of teasing my cats with a laser pointer. It looks substantial and 'real' to them but moves in impossible ways. I can't help but wonder if we are looking at remotely powered insubstantial reconnaissance device(s) of some kind.
 
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pigfarmer

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There is no report too old for people not to bring up and argue over. Roman shields, wood cut carvings of objects over medieval Europe, etc. Friggin' 19th century airships. Oh my.

Yet somehow Paul Bennewitz seems to go right under the radar. . He saw something, stumbled on to something pretty important. I bet maybe even an early version of some of the things we are still encountering. He saw something the guards didn't, or didn't react to. Stumbling on to ELF submarine communication was what got him targeted later. What the hell did he actually see ? If it weren't for Greg Bishop and Chris Lambright we wouldn't know about any of this - and now that we do we sort of ignore it.

In the west - southwest of the US from the late 70s onward there apparently have been some weird things in the air and they don't all come from Groom Lake. It's also worth reading about Gabe and Paul Valdez. Interesting how ET can monitor car radios using police frequencies to maneuver strange lights in the sky but is as stymied by Native American languages as the Japanese were when they are spoken. Thought they had a Universal Translator or could read minds - guess not always. I know for a fact Lord Kinbote can.

Kind of irksome that everyone knows about the Bermuda Triangle, the Philadelphia Experiment and a Roswell Conspiracy thanks to Charles Berlitz and Bill Moore. Add MJ12 to his credit too - and yet he stood up at a UFO conference over thirty years ago and said it was all made up bullshit and that various intelligence agencies had been, not to put too fine a point on it, been ****ing with everyone deliberately. We all know who Richard Doty is but not how he fits in the bigger picture - and yet people still talk about Project Serpo as if it could be real.

And yet here we are still gobbling and clucking over the Aviary and the grandchildren of people who made various UFO reports. Psychology Today would do well to ask why people continue to accept things as truths when they have been demonstrated amply to be otherwise. No gaffe is too big to recover from, no nonsense it too 'out there' to peddle and yet to suggest a terrestrial origin for a lot of this stuff is somehow not normal.

Of course, pointing out that the king is naked is never popular, especially these days.
 
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Rick Hunter

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Kind of irksome that everyone knows about the Bermuda Triangle, the Philadelphia Experiment and a Roswell Conspiracy thanks to Charles Berlitz and Bill Moore. Add MJ12 to his credit too - and yet he stood up at a UFO conference over thirty years ago and said it was all made up bullshit and that various intelligence agencies had been, not to put too fine a point on it, been ****ing with everyone deliberately. We all know who Richard Doty is but not how he fits in the bigger picture - and yet people still talk about Project Serpo as if it could be real.

That's pretty much the conclusion I reached about the MJ-12 documents. They are real government documents with likely a mix of real and fake information in them. What the proportion is of the former to the latter, hard to say. It is also difficult to say how far up the totem pole they go in terms of who gave AFOSI the green light to do it, and exactly what they wanted to accomplish.
 

pigfarmer

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That's pretty much the conclusion I reached about the MJ-12 documents. They are real government documents with likely a mix of real and fake information in them. What the proportion is of the former to the latter, hard to say. It is also difficult to say how far up the totem pole they go in terms of who gave AFOSI the green light to do it, and exactly what they wanted to accomplish.

I read that they were real 'continuity of government' docs made bu those worried about who would take over in the event of a nuclear war. They filched enough to make the MJ12 pile look official, because it was for the most part and really scary sounding. Perfect thing to filch from it seems. I imagine they had a good laugh over what got added in.

Been a while since I read Project Beta or X-Descending but remember that the NSA was involved in the surveillance of Bennewitz also. He called the Air Force because he literally saw a glowing UFO thing on the Manzano range which he could observe from the patio/roof of his house. He said that he saw the security patrol fail to notice it, or at least fail to react to it which it what prompted him to pick up the phone. He already was a government contractor and an electrical engineer. Apparently once AFOSI got involved in subsequent interviews revealed that he had been eavesdropping on some peculiar transmissions that he thought were extraterrestrial but were in fact related to Extremely Low Frequency transmissions used to communicate with nuclear subs. I believe they trail (or did, anyway) a several miles long wire and send/receive short bursts. That's why NSA got involved. More than a little important I'd say - one leg of our 'nuclear triad'.

Based on the nonsense that Doty has since said and the fact that he seems to enjoy being a shadowy government UFO 'expert' of some kind, I bet he simply got carried away and exceeded his mandate. I never underestimate the human penchant to screw with other humans for the thrill, the power, fun, what have you. Bennewitz had serious issues and what they did to him was criminal, IMO. I don't see Doty as anything other than one of the men who perpetrated that whole mess on someone who probably didn't deserve it.

The Valdez mention relates to a report somewhere in the southwest at approximately the same time - I'm going from memory and a lot of coffee early in the morning right now . State police officer working with several tribal officers on or near a reservation trying to track down a glowing UFO exhibiting peculiar motion with their patrol cars. They note that the low flying glowing thing - that generally bears the same description that Bennewitz applied to what he saw - that seemed to anticipate their every move. They were communicating with their police radios. ET had no problem doing that until they switched to a Native American language and then all of a sudden, ET's mind reading helmet or whatever went on the fritz. Go figure. Doesn't sound very superadvancedextraterrestrial to me.

Also from the whole Bennewitz story, mostly attributed to Chris Lambright (I think) is the mention of lightcraft. Small vehicles remotely powered by lasers ultimately intended to lift payloads into orbit. Apparently Kirtland/Manzano has tunnels that lent themselves to this sort of research. I mentioned the application of Apollo level resources to clandestine submarine/dep submergence capabilities. Imagine what we could do with that sort of funding applied to something like lightcraft. I couldn't help but wonder when I saw some of the recent Navy footage if I was looking at a more mature version of what was going on 40 years ago - which is what that Psychology Today article was getting at.

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Dejan Corovic

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I read that they were real 'continuity of government' docs made bu those worried about who would take over in the event of a nuclear war. They filched enough to make the MJ12 pile look official, because it was for the most part and really scary sounding. Perfect thing to filch from it seems. I imagine they had a good laugh over what got added in.

Been a while since I read Project Beta or X-Descending but remember that the NSA was involved in the surveillance of Bennewitz also. He called the Air Force because he literally saw a glowing UFO thing on the Manzano range which he could observe from the patio/roof of his house. He said that he saw the security patrol fail to notice it, or at least fail to react to it which it what prompted him to pick up the phone. He already was a government contractor and an electrical engineer. Apparently once AFOSI got involved in subsequent interviews revealed that he had been eavesdropping on some peculiar transmissions that he thought were extraterrestrial but were in fact related to Extremely Low Frequency transmissions used to communicate with nuclear subs. I believe they trail (or did, anyway) a several miles long wire and send/receive short bursts. That's why NSA got involved. More than a little important I'd say - one leg of our 'nuclear triad'.

Based on the nonsense that Doty has since said and the fact that he seems to enjoy being a shadowy government UFO 'expert' of some kind, I bet he simply got carried away and exceeded his mandate. I never underestimate the human penchant to screw with other humans for the thrill, the power, fun, what have you. Bennewitz had serious issues and what they did to him was criminal, IMO. I don't see Doty as anything other than one of the men who perpetrated that whole mess on someone who probably didn't deserve it.

The Valdez mention relates to a report somewhere in the southwest at approximately the same time - I'm going from memory and a lot of coffee early in the morning right now . State police officer working with several tribal officers on or near a reservation trying to track down a glowing UFO exhibiting peculiar motion with their patrol cars. They note that the low flying glowing thing - that generally bears the same description that Bennewitz applied to what he saw - that seemed to anticipate their every move. They were communicating with their police radios. ET had no problem doing that until they switched to a Native American language and then all of a sudden, ET's mind reading helmet or whatever went on the fritz. Go figure. Doesn't sound very superadvancedextraterrestrial to me.

Also from the whole Bennewitz story, mostly attributed to Chris Lambright (I think) is the mention of lightcraft. Small vehicles remotely powered by lasers ultimately intended to lift payloads into orbit. Apparently Kirtland/Manzano has tunnels that lent themselves to this sort of research. I mentioned the application of Apollo level resources to clandestine submarine/dep submergence capabilities. Imagine what we could do with that sort of funding applied to something like lightcraft. I couldn't help but wonder when I saw some of the recent Navy footage if I was looking at a more mature version of what was going on 40 years ago - which is what that Psychology Today article was getting at.

US6488233B1 - Laser propelled vehicle - Google Patents

Biography:Leik Myrabo - HandWiki

Riding the Highways of Light | Science Mission Directorate

I listened Doty's interview on YT and he sounded as a level headed guy who was trying to disclose everything that he's allowed to disclose. It didn't appear that he was trying to screw Bennewitz. Bennewitz actually did a huge favour to military as a "white hat" hacker revealing a weakness in a communication system. Its better that a benevolent US citizen discovers first such weakness than China or Russia.
 

pigfarmer

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Its better that a benevolent US citizen discovers first such weakness than China or Russia.

Definitely true.

As for Doty, why wouldn't he paint himself in the best possible light?

But rearranging Paul's furniture, taking jaunts to the Archuleta Mesa to promote a cock and bull story, giving him some sort of early PC that had already been compromised to make him think he was speaking to aliens, not so much a level headed nice guy there. Seems like they could have treated a vetted government contractor and apparent patriot a bit differently.
 
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pigfarmer

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Impossible. Can't happen. Definitely not that ......

Isn't history replete with examples of things that were not supposed to happen but did? I'm sure we can come up with a few examples. The unsinkable Titanic, the 'they'll never be able to come through there' - your choice of the Ardennes Forest or the jungles of Singapore. Donald Trump will never be the President ....
:facepalm2:

So when we say 'that defies the laws of physics' or that some technology is beyond our capability or 'they would never test it that way' keep that in mind.
 
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