Latest on the Pentagons UAP revelations.

Yes, it seems that the Gillibrand bill has already been cleared by Congress and Senate will be voting on it next week. If it goes through it should take over, even should DOD put out their unnameable office. Hopefully it will lead to more transparency. What Elizondo and his allies have managed to do is to pretty much overturn the conclusions of the Blue Book and Condon Report, not a small feat in any regard. Incredible. UFOs indeed are worthy of and should be investigated.

Next we need some mainstream media and scientists to wake out from their decades long coma and start looking into this seriously. Avi Loeb has already taken the head start.
 
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Rick Hunter

Celestial
What Elizondo and his allies have managed to do is to pretty much overturn the conclusions of the Blue Book and Condon Report, not a small feat in any regard. Incredible. UFOs indeed are worthy of and should be investigated.

This, 100%. The fact that DOD is talking about UFOs in terms other than complete denial is a seismic shift on it's own.
 

nivek

As Above So Below
 

nivek

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Todd Feinman

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Very interesting. Some of that synchs up with what with witnesses reported, but the capabilities mentioned by folks involved in the incident seemed to be more extraordinary. I'd find it surprising that some terrestrial entity had the capabilities to produce the variety of devices seen recently --completely in secret and then test them all at once in situation where they could provoke wider conflicts. If terrestrial, these are acts of war.
 

Rick Hunter

Celestial
Reminds me of the UFOs shutting down missiles at Malmstrom AFB. They're basically saying "we can do this whenever the hell want to."
 
Reminds me of the UFOs shutting down missiles at Malmstrom AFB. They're basically saying "we can do this whenever the hell want to."
I've always thought that sort of thing looked exactly like blunt, unambiguous communication. I would bet such events are in response to things we'll never know about. Nothing sends a message to a general quite like shutting down his most potent weapon systems at will.
 

Todd Feinman

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Reminds me of the UFOs shutting down missiles at Malmstrom AFB. They're basically saying "we can do this whenever the hell want to."
Yes! And it's very interesting that there was at least one "misfire" even though they only shot at it five times.

I've always thought that sort of thing looked exactly like blunt, unambiguous communication. I would bet such events are in response to things we'll never know about. Nothing sends a message to a general quite like shutting down his most potent weapon systems at will.
Absolutely.

Elizondo has said before that logs of these objects always refer them as "drones" a catchall term that can also mean UFO.
Not any conventional kind of aircraft or drone --with no control surfaces or apparent means of propulsion.
That area off California is not far from Catalina Island where there has been a history of UFO sightings.

It seems the "Ghostbuster" team wasn't able to bring one down or they would have retrieved it.
Also shooting at it apparently did nothing to them as well...
 
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Todd Feinman

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Swamp gas from a weather balloon was trapped in a thermal pocket and reflected the light from Venus. Now if you will all direct your attention over here...
 

pigfarmer

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Drones. UAS exercise. Ghostbuster teams. We're hearing about the big catamaran again. This sounds awfully terrestrial to me.
 

Standingstones

Celestial
I was unclear whether these warships fired on and brought down these drones. I sure hope with all that firepower those drones didn’t escape. Perhaps the Navy is tight lipped about the whole affair.
 

pigfarmer

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My guess is a state actor is doing this. Could be US, wouldn't surprise me. Somehow we got from 28000 mph to 45 mph and now we have anti-drone teams all ready if needed.

I'd note the enrty as 'UAS exercise'

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Todd Feinman

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My guess is a state actor is doing this. Could be US, wouldn't surprise me. Somehow we got from 28000 mph to 45 mph and now we have anti-drone teams all ready if needed.

I'd note the enrty as 'UAS exercise'

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Certainly seems possible in this case --as you have suggested before. There were a number of events that have happened recently some involved objects like the Tic Tac encounter, Gimbal and other encounters in the Pentagon UFO report, almost all were unable to be identified and moved in anomalous ways. The "drone" swarms --if that is what they were, might have been some terrestrial actor --or not. We need more information about the event. A very dangerous move for a country like China or Russia; it doesn't seem like a very good idea. Some sort of test by the US --perhaps, but they fired on the drones, etc.
 

pigfarmer

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Broken firing pin. Don't know what weapon but assume it's the 5" mount. Don't think that's terribly significant in the scheme of things. Inconvenient but I suppose it happens. They also have 25mm chain guns and good old old M2 .50s - still solving problems after all these years. And no, they didn't mention if any of the intruders were actually hit - you'd think any of the above would destroy a drone.

Unless they are not what they appear to be or that they are perhaps not as substantial or are not actually all there via some deception. A catamaran UAV launcher. Very Bond-ish
 

pigfarmer

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I can't help but think of some of the eyewitness accounts I've heard of the Nimitz incident and what people like Corbell have been saying as of late. Films and shows being made, lots of experts with serious looks scratching their learned chins, physicists and eyewitnesses off on whale hunting excursions. Well, that last makes perfect sense knowing what we now know about George and Gracie, but that's another story. The whole thing makes for an interesting stew, an excellent study of human behavior. Unfortunately not the best experience for ufology.

Thing is, I believe ET does whizz through occasionally it's just that so many are so predisposed to Belief it isn't surprising that the '_____' - whoever that may be, intelligence, military, private contractors (some mixture in my estimation) consider it a useful tool in the box for their own purposes. I suspect that's what Elizondo and Mellon are here for saying the things they have been saying.

Rather than argue about whether this case or that case - or photo - is 'real' or not there is something else I have been thinking about. It's often said that ET has an interest in us because we've detonated thermonuclear weapons, harnessed the energy of the stars. Maybe they really have stopped by and fiddled with the knobs on the missiles, so to speak, from time to time. But what if - and this does seem to be where many researchers wind up - the dividing line for First Contact has more to do with consciousness than anything else?

This is where the nuts & bolts vs more-to-it-than-that argument develops and it's not my intent to fire that back up. Pure speculation at this point. But you can look at something and say 'there's more to it than that'. The argument goes both ways - if we've had as many 'unknown technological devices' visiting as has been claimed just since WW2 that we would have had more well documented incidents of all sorts, not just arguing over pop culture crash stories.
 
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Todd Feinman

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Qs & As with Hal Puthoff:

It's interesting how he mentions localized time effects --time slowing down. That seems like what happened to me, perhaps.
He also identifies Havana Syndrome as possibly UAP related,,,
 
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nivek

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Disclosure or deception? New UFO Pentagon office divides believers

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Luis Elizondo and Christopher Mellon, the former government insiders who helped spark renewed interest in Unidentified Aerial Phenomena, or UAPs, as they are more commonly known now, by publicizing video from military aircraft, applauded Gillibrand’s amendment — but worry it was watered down before final passage and will be buried by the Pentagon.

In an op-ed in The Hill, Elizondo criticized the Pentagon’s decision to place the new UAP office inside the Office of the Under Secretary of Defense for Intelligence & Security, which he said is the “perfect place to put it” if “we want 70 more years of secrecy on this topic.”

Activists complain about the lack of civilian involvement in the new Pentagon office and assume it will simply classify anything interesting it finds, so that its unclassified reports to Congress will be little more than fig leaves.

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