shadow people

pigfarmer

tall, thin, irritable
A common response I've given on this forum to someone who sees something weird around the house is to go get some inexpensive home security cameras. This is what happens when someone does.

A coworker asked me a few questions about the Wyze outdoor cameras she has around her home. No problem, nothing paranormal. Subscription problem. But at some point she mentioned seeing a shadow person around the house. Goes from room to room, she's seen it more than once.

Then she shows me what the Wyze outdoor cam caught on May 28 2021. What the hell is that ? Pareidolia probably but doesn't that image bring the creepy ? Eeeeee. I asked if there was a propane tank there and she said no. The damned cameras are not working so I can't see what the place looks like now. My guess is a wood crate with flowers on top. She said there was nothing there at the time. I've known her to be laconic and stolid and not prone to hyperbole. Just the opposite. I asked her if she told anybody about this she said no. That might include her husband for all I know. She asked 'why?' and I see her point.

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pigfarmer

tall, thin, irritable
Just spoke to her. No box, flowers or deck there. There is a bike rack. I asked her for a current pic of the area. That camera is the only one the batteries failed on
 

nivek

As Above So Below
I asked her for a current pic of the area.

Is she going to provide one?...I would think she has more pics saved on file that could be compared...

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pigfarmer

tall, thin, irritable
I did ask. Who knows. With 5 little kids at home it isn’t a priority.

This only came up because she bought Wyze outdoor cameras and a year later they all went offline. They don’t come with microSD cards and have no local storage. The free ‘plus’ membership she got when she created her account ran out. They can take up to 32Gb. Mine has one and I don’t use the web app for storage.
 

1963

Noble
A common response I've given on this forum to someone who sees something weird around the house is to go get some inexpensive home security cameras. This is what happens when someone does.

A coworker asked me a few questions about the Wyze outdoor cameras she has around her home. No problem, nothing paranormal. Subscription problem. But at some point she mentioned seeing a shadow person around the house. Goes from room to room, she's seen it more than once.

Then she shows me what the Wyze outdoor cam caught on May 28 2021. What the hell is that ? Pareidolia probably but doesn't that image bring the creepy ? Eeeeee. I asked if there was a propane tank there and she said no. The damned cameras are not working so I can't see what the place looks like now. My guess is a wood crate with flowers on top. She said there was nothing there at the time. I've known her to be laconic and stolid and not prone to hyperbole. Just the opposite. I asked her if she told anybody about this she said no. That might include her husband for all I know. She asked 'why?' and I see her point.

Didn't reduce the image any further than what I received and also attached the file if anyone wants to take a closer look at it.
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Hi PF, hope you and yours are well my friend. :Thumbsup: ... thanks for the invite to your 'potentially' interesting thread mate.
... If i'm reading your post right, then your co-worker has been seeing 'some kind of shadow-person ' [or ghost?] ... well, you said that she had seen it a couple of times now. ... did your friend elaborate at all as to any more than a fleeting-eye-corner-glimpse of something that 'may or may not have been there? ... and did she mention if there were any physical effects such as tingly-feelings, slight temperature drop, any noise, or any unexplainable urge coming from her mind to turn and look? ... and perhaps most important ... is she scared? ... does she get any ominous feelings about this 'entity'? ... Has she lived in this house long and when did her sightings start? ... And has she got any corroboration by means of further witnesses? ... [i'm not saying that your friend is a liar, ... it's simply a great tool for ruling out an over-active-imagination if there are more witnesses!]
Although i'm interested in this field of the paranormal, there's not really a lot more to say about your friend's 'shadow-person/ghost' without a lot more information.... which just leaves us with this picture, which in itself isn't very anomalous at all really is it? ... Just a picture of a slightly-cluttered garden [5 kids would tend to make it a cluttered garden lol] ... and you then provide a closer look at the 'anomalous section' of the picture. .....

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... which to be frank old mate, had me scratching my head a little! ... Scratching my head because when I copied the picture and blew it up... I have to report that I cannot see anything ghostly or shadow-persony at all! ... Just a section with the back end of a bike, the corner of the house , bit of decking and some kind of pipe or rod with either a bunch of pink fabric [wool?] or what could be artificial flowers attached to it, that leads to [and dangles over] what comes across to me to be a 'trash can' similar to the one below....

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.... And to my [simple] mind, the anomaly in this picture can only be that the 'trash can' [if that's what it be] shouldn't have been there in that position when the picture was taken? ... in which case, I have to wonder if your friend is absolutely definite that there couldn't have been such a thing in that position ... even temporarily while the picture was being taken. .... just rested there by someone doing "something" that needed it to be set down there just for a while, and then removed?? ... or was she actually on the spot just out of the picture at the time of the photographing? ... which would put a whole new complexion on this 'anomalous picture'... but if there were no witnesses to see this "R2 D2 shaped Tardis" materialise and then dissolve either side of the 'picture making period' ... then this could just as easily be a case of " if she had mentioned it to her husband, ... he could have told her about moving a trash can that day".
Anyway PF... you never mentioned how long the 'anomaly was there'? ... what about the rest of the film? ... What was there at 4.44 and 4.46pm? ... did you see the thing manifest and disappear on tape either side of the time printed on the picture, or were you just shown a still picture from 4.45pm?

.... Sorry if I sound flippant or overly sceptical PF... it's just that there's not really anything to go on without more information my old friend... so get into her, and beat the answers out of the elusive puzzle-making-bitch!!! ... lol only joking matey, I in no way condone violence toward witnesses, and that very-much reflects the policy of Nivek's site! :p ... but try to get a bit more juice mate. ... The shadow folk aspect is really interesting to a nerd like me.

Cheers Buddy.
 

pigfarmer

tall, thin, irritable
.... Sorry if I sound flippant or overly sceptical PF

Not at all @1963 - in fact I think I am guilty of that too often and was looking for another opinion.

Isn't really anything to go on about based on that pic alone, but aren't there an awful lot of those in general ?

This caught my interest for a couple of reasons and it all comes down to eyewitness testimony. If this woman were a cop or part of the military the standard schtick would be to comment on that and add language to the description of the event(s) like 'trained observer' or 'veteran of XYZ' and so forth.

She asked me about her Wyze cameras and I answered her question for her, as I have done for twenty zillion other people. Nothing unusual there except that out of the blue and completely out of character for her she laid that on me. You have to admit, to the uninitiated it's creepy and scary. I did the same thing you did - blew it up and figured it has to be a common object. She told me this because she thought I might have an answer for that too - as if the camera was causing it. Could be I suppose. Then she told me she sees 'it' flitting from room to room occasionally and other than being startling causes no ill effect whatsoever.

I don't know her well at all, have no idea where this is except it's local. Kind of cool to get something like this directly unsolicited and not from YouTube or the like. Looks like mobile homes to me not some old house. To put it in context as I understand it she seems to toil in drudgery with lots of children and a husband (who I have met) who appears much older and all I can say about that is that there's something not quite right about all that. No idea what but a not-unreasonable guess would be domestic abuse of some kind. He was very polite to me. She said she didn't even mention this to him and when asked why she just said 'what's the point ? why ?' I took that to mean he couldn't be bothered and wouldn't believe it if she did, plus it seems harmless just odd.

My feeling is that she is startled enough by it enough to save that pic but has other fish to fry. Very, very quiet and reserved woman who speaks so softly I can barely hear her. She seems credible to me because of the general dismissiveness. There are other people I work with who have made interesting claims about experiences but they never made past my first level sniff test and certainly never produced a picture of anything. Flat out I sincerely doubt she has the ability to manipulate the image - just sending it to me seemed about the skill level and that took a bit.

I have asked her for a current pic of the area. No, lacking the Wyze subscription I don't think she can produce one from that camera right now. She also said it stopped working for whatever reason after less than a year. Also said that beyond the bike rack there is 'absolutely nothing there'.

So thanks for the look - another pair of eyes is always helpful. I'm reasonably certain this is the end of all this - I doubt she'll follow up but who knows.
 

1963

Noble
Not at all @1963 - in fact I think I am guilty of that too often and was looking for another opinion.

Isn't really anything to go on about based on that pic alone, but aren't there an awful lot of those in general ?

This caught my interest for a couple of reasons and it all comes down to eyewitness testimony. If this woman were a cop or part of the military the standard schtick would be to comment on that and add language to the description of the event(s) like 'trained observer' or 'veteran of XYZ' and so forth.

She asked me about her Wyze cameras and I answered her question for her, as I have done for twenty zillion other people. Nothing unusual there except that out of the blue and completely out of character for her she laid that on me. You have to admit, to the uninitiated it's creepy and scary. I did the same thing you did - blew it up and figured it has to be a common object. She told me this because she thought I might have an answer for that too - as if the camera was causing it. Could be I suppose. Then she told me she sees 'it' flitting from room to room occasionally and other than being startling causes no ill effect whatsoever.

I don't know her well at all, have no idea where this is except it's local. Kind of cool to get something like this directly unsolicited and not from YouTube or the like. Looks like mobile homes to me not some old house. To put it in context as I understand it she seems to toil in drudgery with lots of children and a husband (who I have met) who appears much older and all I can say about that is that there's something not quite right about all that. No idea what but a not-unreasonable guess would be domestic abuse of some kind. He was very polite to me. She said she didn't even mention this to him and when asked why she just said 'what's the point ? why ?' I took that to mean he couldn't be bothered and wouldn't believe it if she did, plus it seems harmless just odd.

My feeling is that she is startled enough by it enough to save that pic but has other fish to fry. Very, very quiet and reserved woman who speaks so softly I can barely hear her. She seems credible to me because of the general dismissiveness. There are other people I work with who have made interesting claims about experiences but they never made past my first level sniff test and certainly never produced a picture of anything. Flat out I sincerely doubt she has the ability to manipulate the image - just sending it to me seemed about the skill level and that took a bit.

I have asked her for a current pic of the area. No, lacking the Wyze subscription I don't think she can produce one from that camera right now. She also said it stopped working for whatever reason after less than a year. Also said that beyond the bike rack there is 'absolutely nothing there'.

So thanks for the look - another pair of eyes is always helpful. I'm reasonably certain this is the end of all this - I doubt she'll follow up but who knows.
Mmm! ... the way you just described your 'co-worker' and the possible living conditions that she has to bear, makes me a little sad. No one should have to suffer a violent relationship in these so-called enlightened times. ... That said, .. if indeed your intuitions about systematic physical abuse and ..as often as not.. the accompanying mental dominance of this lady could have great relevance in her plausibility. A life with no natural magic and much regretful misery at being trapped in a horrible situation could induce the exigency to create a little artificial distraction from an unhappy existence. ... It may start as a titillating notion that filled a minute or two. and gradually snowballed to the point where the author of this fictional musing gets confused as to what is real and self induced. ... Or alternatively ... if after all these 'shadow entities' are in fact ' a reality' [and btw..as with traditional ghosts i'm not convinced either way] ... then perhaps this lady's compound inner-misery at her pathetic-situation is the perfect conduit for such supernatural beings to be allowed to temporarily cross over to this realm [that we consider reality]... Either way, I am of the mind that by sharing her asseverations with you, that your 'co-worker/friend' is in fact reaching out to you for some kind of confirmation of this thing being real. ... Thereby affirming to herself that there is more to life than her present humdrum unpleasant existence. Who knows? ... that could just be the biggest load of pretentious BS that i've ever written... [or could be kinda-correct] ... but as it stands, it's how I see the situation of her letting you into her confidence with regards to the 'shadow-person-experiences' ... and I have the notion that the 'picture/no-story' aspect was just a bit of icing on the cake.... meant as further confirmation of seriousness.
Of course this is all in the supposition that your 'hunch' about the mousey-little-lady being the victim of a lousy-dick-snot's temperament? or that she herself is in fact not just a female Walter Mitty? ... or could it all just be true? ... but then on the "could it be true?" -bit.... I am failing to come up with an easy answer as to why weren't you told this story by the whole family? ... or at least offered confirmation of the credibility of her story by her husband and the five kids? ... Does this 'shadow-person' only appear for her? will it not come out when she's not alone?... You say that she said "what's the point of telling her husband"... ? immediate thoughts are "why?"... has she told him of a similar anomalous experience that he summarily brushed off? ... And so does this answer the question of whether he has had any similar supernatural sightings in their home ... and the answer is No and he doesn't countenance her claims either? [which seems to beg the question of why he does not take her assertions seriously? ... could he tell us of previous claims that turned out to be ... nothing?]... Lastly... [not before time I hear you say lol] ... "Come on PF's co-worker!" ... what's that picture all about? ... is a blurry still of a bike-rack , a few trees and some kind of barrel-thing that wasn't supposed to be there really proof of you being visited by 'shadow-people'?... what is it supposed to conjure up in our minds? ... is it the Shadow-man's vehicle that he gets from his realm to ours, just like the doctor's tardis?.... or is your property situated on some kind of ley-line that intermittently allows a glimpse between parallel worlds?

Sorry again if I got carried away and came across as being harsh! ... it's just that the lack of information in this potentially-brilliant paranormal-account is really frustrating me mate. :Tongue: ... but if that's all we are to get from this lady. [info-wise] then that's probably all that I have to say on this matter. [thank god eh! lol]

Cheers Buddy.
 

pigfarmer

tall, thin, irritable
mental dominance of this lady could have great relevance in her plausibility

then perhaps this lady's compound inner-misery at her pathetic-situation is the perfect conduit for such supernatural beings to be allowed to temporarily cross over to this realm

reaching out to you for some kind of confirmation of this thing being real. ...

Yup

or could it all just be true?

Yup, that's why it's right here at AE and why I'm asking you. I really wonder sometimes. A skeptic with a shade of doubt might be healthy and running it by others more so.

Sorry again if I got carried away and came across as being harsh!

Not at all, you are just mirroring my thoughts.

I had a weird situation where my eyeglasses vanished and reappeared out in the open three days later covered with tons of dust - as if they had been sitting in one place literally for years. Trained a Wyze camera on that spot for over a year without any further reoccurrence. In the 46 years I've been wearing them I never lost or broke any, ever.

Here's The Thing.

There seems to be some connection to poltergeist activity and young girls. Not a stretch, not my idea. Enfield, etc. No idea if there is any truth to it. But I do wonder if heightened emotions under the right circumstances could perhaps have some physical effect that might not be easy to quantify. Certainly heightened emotions under the right circumstances can lead to effects we are all too aware of - ones that seem far less urgent in the sober light of day. My personal currency seems to be stress- I eat the stuff in buckets - my lot in life - seems I'm eternally Hubert Dilger.

** ahhh - now there's an obscure historical reference... but apt .... ****

My guts tell me that this weird occurrence was some manifestation of my own angst. At the time, that was me and my environment. ON about whatever. No idea in what form(s), but somehow my own doing. Stress can wear you down and leave you prone to physical hardship and disease, perhaps there is some psychic component to it that leaves us equally vulnerable that we don't understand. Can't help but wonder if under different and more difficult circumstances if this is her manifestation, her golem, her tulpa.

Her dismissive matter-of-fact treatment of this business is compelling. I can't say if she is subject to any abuse or anything, that's just my guess. It's my dark suspicion, but who knows. To extend the thought, maybe this is some manifestation of an otherwise of some inexpressible emotion. I just don't think she's making hay here, making it all up. As she pointed out, why? She appears to have zero motive and isn't looking for attention in any way, in fact would probably dismiss or shun it.

Freakin' peculiar, for sure.
 

pigfarmer

tall, thin, irritable
Certainly heightened emotions under the right circumstances can lead to effects we are all too aware of - ones that seem far less urgent in the sober light of day

Just reread that, not clear.

Extreme stress can manifest as PTSD, chest pains, rashes, weight gain/loss, hair loss, headaches etc. This can cause us to behave in various ways that may actually add to the problem, not reduce it. Alcoholism, drug abuse. But what if the stress were redirected - compressed like carbon into a diamond ?

I'm suggesting that there are other effects beyond what I just mentioned that are rare and not generally catalogued or accepted i.e: poltergeists, shadow people.
 
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