Can a picture/video prove ETs exist?

I just wanted to show out how pointless it is arguing over whether or not a video/image contains an extraterrestrial.

In fact., it actually does more harm due to the fact that fake UFO footage can be proven fake.., but a legit photograph will never be considered proof.

Constantly searching for proof in a video means that we will only ever find
1) Fake images
2) Inconclusive images

After hours of research and debate.., at best a UFO video/pic will be inconclusive.., which just adds to the feeling that its all BS.

We will never be able to prove ETs exist just from looking at YouTube videos and listening to stories.

I believe we have enough credible UFO video footage, images and eye witness testimonies to move past this form of "research" and focus on solving the problem once and for all.

We've been relying on these 'investigative techniques" for 70+ years now, with no avail.
Perhaps its time to realise the futility in these attempts and start thinking of new ways to move forward.

78 years of looking at pictures and listening to stories has achieved nothing.
Another 80 years of looking at pics, and listening to stories will not prove anything.
The last generation wasted decades on this fruitless investigation.., lets not continue the cycle for another 80 years

Even photos taken before the digital age are called fake now even ones like the Trent McMinnville UFO photos have been , so they say, disproved . Where do you go when these were upheld for years as the 'proof' that UFOs exist ??

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August said:

Even photos taken before the digital age are called fake now even ones like the Trent McMinnville UFO photos have been , so they say, disproved . Where do you go when these were upheld for years as the 'proof' that UFOs exist ??

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I'm starting to think its all a Red Herring. A wild goose chase.

And we are encouraged to debate individual videos and stories because it leads nowhere.
Newcomers to UFOlogy will have to spend years trawling through the same garbage everyone else did for the past 70+ years.

Most will be dissuaded by the high volume of "data-gaps", fake footage and BS stories.
The rest will spend their lives studying stories and images.., only to (at best) find something inconclusive.

And we all end up arguing over the legitimacy of images and personal traits of the witness.., making our own assumptions (thus forming conclusions) based on very little.

Even IF we somehow determined an eye-witness is of sound mind, and not a liar (an impossible feat in itself)
What's next after that?

Just click the next YouTube clip?
When do we move on? What is required to move past this form of "investigation"?

Filakius said:

I'm starting to think its all a Red Herring. A wild goose chase.

And we are encouraged to debate individual videos and stories because it leads nowhere.
Newcomers to UFOlogy will have to spend years trawling through the same garbage everyone else did for the past 70+ years.

Most will be dissuaded by the high volume of "data-gaps", fake footage and BS stories.
The rest will spend their lives studying stories and images.., only to (at best) find something inconclusive.

And we all end up arguing over the legitimacy of images and personal traits of the witness.., making our own assumptions (thus forming conclusions) based on very little.

Even IF we somehow determined an eye-witness is of sound mind, and not a liar (an impossible feat in itself)
What's next after that?

Just click the next YouTube clip?
When do we move on? What is required to move past this form of "investigation"?

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I guess the best evidence is one where you witness the event yourself with your own eyes. Maybe the entire UFO/Alien 'thing' is a supernatural/ paranormal occurrence which in itself would be very hard to come up with evidence either photographic or physical to prove it . Its very illusive and if it should be supernatural / paranormal then I would say no one even the worlds Governments have any control over it whatsoever. Its apparent that something is going on but just what exactly it is and where it is coming from (?) its very illusive . Maybe it would be easier to call 'bunkum' on the whole thing and put it in a drawer along with faerys and ghosts.

August said:

I guess the best evidence is one where you witness the event yourself with your own eyes. Maybe the entire UFO/Alien 'thing' is a supernatural/ paranormal occurrence which in itself would be very hard to come up with evidence either photographic or physical to prove it . Its very illusive and if it should be supernatural / paranormal then I would say no one even the worlds Governments have any control over it whatsoever. Its apparent that something is going on but just what exactly it is and where it is coming from (?) its very illusive . Maybe it would be easier to call 'bunkum' on the whole thing and put it in a drawer along with faerys and ghosts.

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This is exactly what I did my whole life as a sceptic (scoffer).

I assume most "intelligent" people will form the same conclusion.
It just doesn't make logical sense that ETs exist and visit Earth secretly.., especially when the government tells you they aren't.

That just makes obvious sense.., even though;
1) Governments do lie
2) ETs most likely do exist
Its more logical that they are not.

Looking at UFO pics and claims..., just made the whole UFO phenomenon even more BS.
Because most stories were fake or just stars or planes.
And the inconclusive claims.., well there's most likely some other explanation that what the witnesses said.

And that's how I dismissed the entire UFO phenomenon.
It took seeing one with family members and friends to even consider the possibility.
Even then I assumed it was military for about 3 years till I questioned that theory.

Its VERY easy to dismiss UFOs using logical assumptions.
But very hard to become interested and involved in researching/investigating to see if there is any truth.

I actually have a lot of respect for people on this website who haven't personally seen a UFO.
This is something I was incapable of doing.
To show others the decency to at least listen and look into the matter objectively is a great trait to have, and something I am learning to do now.

Filakius said:

Newcomers to UFOlogy will have to spend years trawling through the same garbage everyone else did for the past 70+ years.

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Perhaps, seems many people also accept those fake videos and cgi videos as the real thing, or at least they like to believe they are real...

Try telling someone who has seen the phenomena that they do not exist . They do not need a photo or movie film to convince them . I have seen it and so have many others I have no photos but have a witness we know what we saw. This programme was a very good one that provides eye witness accounts of something that to them was extraordinary.

Photos and videos alone can not prove ET's exist.

However when combined with other types of evidence, such as multiple witness accounts, they can help corroborate specific events.

That said ETs and UFOs are not mutually exclusive. So even the most definitive photo or video evidence of a UFO would not necessarily indicate ET was piloting it.

Apollo said:

Photos and videos alone can not prove ET's exist.

However when combined with other types of evidence, such as multiple witness accounts, they can help corroborate specific events.

That said ETs and UFOs are not mutually exclusive. So even the most definitive photo or video evidence of a UFO would not necessarily indicate ET was piloting it.

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It is a conundrum then .

Apollo said:

Photos and videos alone can not prove ET's exist.
However when combined with other types of evidence, such as multiple witness accounts, they can help corroborate specific events.

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Can help..., but not proof hey. Barely even considered evidence really.

I have read high profile cases with multiple credible observers, radar returns, video footage and STILL that is not considered to be anything but a strange event that was "most likely" faulty equipment and tired/poorly trained observers.

Its always "most likely"anything but what was reported.

Apollo said:

That said ETs and UFOs are not mutually exclusive. So even the most definitive photo or video evidence of a UFO would not necessarily indicate ET was piloting it.

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I hate the term UFO as its relative to the observer.
A cloud could technically be a UFO to some.., until they find out what it is.

I'll start a new thread about it.

nivek said:

Perhaps, seems many people also accept those fake videos and cgi videos as the real thing, or at least they like to believe they are real...

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Yes. I wanted to add this to the list of hurdles UFOlogy needs to overcome in order to advance.
I think sceptics are biased.., and believers are biased and this just causes arguments, anger and ridicule.

Whats needed is balance.

There is the Great Cosmic joke theory with UFOs / Aliens.

The Baffling Mystery of UFOs

August said:

There is the Great Cosmic joke theory with UFOs / Aliens.
The Baffling Mystery of UFOs

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Well. That was a scary read... especially at the end.
I loved this quote from Dr. Allen J Hynek though;

"It is no longer possible to sweep away thc whole subject. It reminds me of the days of Galileo when he was trying to get people to look at the sun spots. They would say that the sun is a symbol of God; God is perfect, therefore the sun is perfect; therefore spots cannot exist: therefore there is no point in looking."

Filakius said:

Well. That was a scary read... especially at the end.
I loved this quote from Dr. Allen J Hynek though;

"It is no longer possible to sweep away thc whole subject. It reminds me of the days of Galileo when he was trying to get people to look at the sun spots. They would say that the sun is a symbol of God; God is perfect, therefore the sun is perfect; therefore spots cannot exist: therefore there is no point in looking."

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Indeed, that speaks volumes to me and a reflection of many facets of reasoning in the world...

There's a story that goes something like this, a man believed to be dead was examined and placed in a coffin to be buried and just as his coffin was being lowered into the grave the coffin opens up, the man shouting he is alive...

Well the coroner examined him again then questioned the masses of people attending his burial...They all spoke amongst themselves a few moments then shouted, "we think he's dead"...So the coroner pronounced him dead, they forced him back into his coffin, nailed it shut and buried him...

That's why they put glass windows in coffins and speaking tubes as well , just in case , scary thought being buried alive .

For me,the Alien Phenomenon is more about getting us to explore ourselves...

August said:

It is a conundrum then .

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Indeed it is.

One would think the fact that a large portion of our population has a digital camera/video device on hand nearly all the time would help provide further evidence.

But in fact it's only further muddied the waters.

Filakius said:

We will never be able to prove ETs exist just from looking at YouTube videos and listening to stories.

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If you use HVW rounds on an Alien craft you will have salvage wreckage and alien remains.

This is convincing proof UFOs are alien craft.

If that pic/vid comes from a trusted friend, showing a clear alien being, then yes I would believe it (assuming it's not a prank). But anything else shown on the internet is a no-no...still, some of those old black-white pictures showing those weird nazi aircrafts are pretty solid evidence, because that technology had to come from an advanced specie.

Well this settles it. We are done for. Watch this video...I command you

With this kind of video manipulation it would be possible to place anyone anywhere. It would be possible to claim you're a terrorist for example and then show the potato heads at home video's of you planting bombs, or for that matter doing anything they want, they could falsify then convict you for virtually any crime based on falsified videos. I mean you got to remember here that there's camera's everywhere and it's very likely that somewhere your mug is on video, and with facial recognition it's a matter of seconds to identify who you are in 99% of the cases.

What's this going to do to our world? How can we believe anything anymore? For example, I read an article on Sott.net about a cop they just arrested for child pornography, and I was thinking about these people they are arresting for child porno, which is fine of course, but then I thought what the hell, ya know these poor dumb SOB;s haven't a clue, I mean for all they know, for all we know, these perverts could have been downloading images which were all computer created from a Honey Pot designed to entrap them. Not that this is a bad thing really, but ...but....We are now in the advanced age of reality fiction where it will only be a matter of time before big brother decides it's too much trouble to bother with honey pots, and instead just starts creating fictional evidence against whomever they choose.

The only way that we could be half sure future video's are real is if they are somehow linked to some kind of block chain. Further...all past video's and images are subject to revision. This is some crazy ass scary shit that's coming our way when you think about it.