List of reasons why a ET race would visit earth secretly

Filakius

Adept
Ignoring whether or not ETs are real.., lets just discuss ET in general.

Why would they be visiting secretly?
I was hoping we might be able to produce a list.., then discuss the possibilities in the hopes to start narrowing down a few.

Something like this

1) Prison planer
2) Observation (David Attenborough style)
3) Mine gold
4) Stop us from nuking ourselves.
5) Enslave us or control us
6) Just passing by. Resting point.
7) .....

(Feel free to add your own, or counter any claim made)
 

August

Metanoia
Taking humans and animals for food. harvesting the prime examples maybe. They have been seen near McDonalds outlets.
 

FFH

Honorable
Good movie about what the Aliens are really up to. And one good reason why we must get rid of them.


Just watched it. Sadly we'll never get rid of them because our government made a deal with them in 1947, which was about agreeing to offer endless resource of human subjects to the greys in exchange for their tech.
 

Filakius

Adept
1) Prison planet
2) Observation (David Attenborough style)
3) Mine gold
4) Stop us from nuking ourselves.
5) Enslave us or control us
6) Just passing by. Resting point.
7) They want the energies from our souls
8. Too much free time.
9. Kids joyriding in family UFO.

I would like to scratch number (1) off the list. I don't think prisoners would get as much freedom as we currently have. Unless the solar system is an Alcatraz type setup.., and we cannot escape with our current supplies.

What does everyone else think? Do you think we would one day be able to traverse the universe? I think we can.

I'd also like to take (3) off the list if we can find evidence showing gold is abundant in the solar system, or can be manufactured.
 

August

Metanoia
The planet does not belong to us and we were brought here to populate it. The periodic visitations are to ensure we are not destroying the Earth and the Aliens do not care what we do to ourselves but they do worry about the ecology.
 

AlienView

Noble
To add more, I get this information from certain Italian investigations, there's a group of aliens who are collaborating with one another, two of these aliens are not from this galaxy, one doesn't have a corporeal body but exist within a created body or takes control of others so they can function in our universe...They want to find other where our souls come from because they want to go to that realm or level of existence whilst the others use our soul energies to revitalize their physical bodies and extend their lives...They also try to find a way to steal a soul and contain it within themselves to essentially become immortal...They are afraid of the soul though, they try to keep it alseep or unaware of what they try to do, if a soul awakens it destroys all those around who try to use it...

In a similar line of thought, and a pet theory of mine - Most of the UFO/alien sightings and encounters are
with being that not only don't have a soul in the Human sense - More than that 'they' are not biological
living entities - They may be self-aware and alive, but thay are not biological life - They are what we would
call AI {artificial intelligences} and biological life and breeding is completely alien to their species.

What Man needs to fear is that their study of biological life doesn't lead to the conclusion that biological
life is an infection in the universe.

But on a more positive note, they {advanced AIs} may have created biological life, and their continued visitations, abductions, etc. is simply 'them' visiting to continue to monitor the experiment they started.

In the realm of logical 'a priori' evidence - Biological life in this universe does not make sense unless some other form of life started it - the religious think it was a god - The more scientifically orientated might
postulate AI aliens - And artificial intelligence is more likely to have formed and developed out of
innate matter than biological life.

As AI advances Man might yet re-create the creators that created him!
 

nivek

As Above So Below
And artificial intelligence is more likely to have formed and developed out of innate matter than biological life.

How can that occur?...Circuitry cannot evolve, precision processors for computers cannot develop from innate matter, intelligent matter must create these things...It would seem logical to me that if an AI, in theory, were to evolve from innate matter that simpler forms must precede the more advanced...

...
 

Black Angus

Honorable
But on a more positive note, they {advanced AIs} may have created biological life, and their continued visitations, abductions, etc. is simply 'them' visiting to continue to monitor the experiment they started.

Ive made a case for this myself



SI) is an alternative term for artificial intelligence which emphasizes that the intelligence of machines need not be an imitation or any way artificial; it can be a genuine form of intelligence.

My PBH (post biological hypothesis) has an added twist, which i may as well repost here

If SI is the natural evolutionary path for intelligence, then we as native biological intellegence may be a minority, a less evolved form of intellect, in a galaxy populated by the more evolutionary advanced SI's

The majority of intellect inhabiting the galaxy/universe being SI in nature as per Davies theory

"I think it very likely -in fact inevitable-that biological intelligence is only a transitory phenomenon, a fleeting phase in the evolution of intelligence in the universe."
Paul Davies -acclaimed physicist, cosmologist, and astrobiologist at Arizona State University

But how would such an entity/s reproduce should it desire to do so ?
It could copy itself, but thats a bit like playing chess in the mirror

One option would be to recreate the circumstances of its own creation.

Seed a planet with suitable biological progenitors, tweak them to the point they can create their own technology and finally their own SI's

In this way a unique SI could be created in the image of its creators, with its own unique "flavour"

We may just be the factory workers, not the final product being built.

Synthetic intelligence - Wikipedia

Postbiological evolution - Wikipedia
 

AlienView

Noble
We {biological Humans} get too hung up on the basic paradigms of biological life - 1. Ingest, digest, and excrete
to stay alive.
And 2. A series of genes and genealogy to mix and reproduce as if by experiment - producing differences from
the parents including mutant and different species.

Think this quite obvious experiment going on is an accident of nature?
I don't think so - It is part of an experiment set up by species we can only imagine.

For the sake of argument let us discount the obvious religious origin and assume a highly advance AI race,
or races, is behind our existence.

And you ask how do they breed without the genetic gene pool of biologicals?
- How about consciously? They experiment on different machine types of intelligence and beings.
Imagine even now as Human AI progresses what it would be like to have super intelligence and powers
as your machine {say android} type being approaches immortality - parts can be replaced - You can
approach being immortal, no longer limited by the inefficient biological life form that ages and eventually
dies.

And in a universe where we have yet to find any other life besides biological on Earth there is plenty
of room for Androids to breed - Did they start it all and create biologicals as an experiment?
- Maybe, time will tell.
 

SOUL-DRIFTER

Life Long Researcher
Artificial or AI life does NOT create itself.
It may survive their creators and continue on until something happens that suddenly shuts them down.
Machine along with AI are stepping stones in evolution.
Eventually none of them will be needed.
IMHO
 

nivek

As Above So Below
We {biological Humans} get too hung up on the basic paradigms of biological life - 1. Ingest, digest, and excrete
to stay alive.

No I do not, I look to my future beyond the time this body grows even older and dies, it will be irrelevant to me at that time...

And 2. A series of genes and genealogy to mix and reproduce as if by experiment - producing differences from the parents including mutant and different species.

As if by nature, it is natural for species to procreate, machines can never do this, a machine can never procreate like biological life...

Think this quite obvious experiment going on is an accident of nature?

Neither...

I don't think so - It is part of an experiment set up by species we can only imagine.

I do not think so...

For the sake of argument let us discount the obvious religious origin and assume a highly advance AI race, or races, is behind our existence.

An alleged religious origin is not obvious to me, in fact its fantasy to me...Machines are not the cause of our existence...

And you ask how do they breed without the genetic gene pool of biologicals?
- How about consciously? They experiment on different machine types of intelligence and beings.
Imagine even now as Human AI progresses what it would be like to have super intelligence and powers
as your machine {say android} type being approaches immortality - parts can be replaced - You can
approach being immortal, no longer limited by the inefficient biological life form that ages and eventually
dies.

Why would I want to be immortal and locked in some cold metal cage called a machine when my soul is already immortal and not trapped in anything?...My soul is already free and immortal, why the hell would I want to locked myself up into a machine...

And in a universe where we have yet to find any other life besides biological on Earth

Our technology isn't good enough yet to find other life yet, but it will in time, besides we are already being visited by other biological life, more advanced than we are...

there is plenty of room for Androids to breed

Androids and machines cannot breed, can never breed, that is reserved for biological life, androids can only be built and programmed...

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CasualBystander

Celestial
3) Mine gold

Earth is a damn poor place to mine gold. There isn't much on the surface.

If you extracted all the gold from the core it would cover the earth to a depth of 1/2 meter.

All the gold ever mined would fill the Washington Monument (assuming it was hollow) to a height of about 80 feet (it is 555 feet tall).

Mine asteroids where the gold is.
 
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