Would an ETV be able to visit Earth secretly?

Filakius

Adept
Depends on how warm the spacecraft is.

Don't know how much "focus" there is to WISE type of instruments. The cells of the detection array will record a heat signature at some coordinates and a narrow field of view telescope could be used to identify it.
Depending on size and speed also. An alleged ETV would not be as slow moving as an asteroid.., or as predictable to be in the same spot or expected trajectory for the next image hours later.., and to inform others where to point there telescopes.

Well...
All MH370 did was turn off its ATC transponder to disappear.
Most UFOs do not come equiped with an ATC tramsponder.

Most of its flight was not captured by any radar. If it was captured by satellite or over the horizon radar, a lot of governments hid that fact, causing 100s of millions of dollars to be wasted searching.

If a UFO penetrated DC airspace it would be identified. Otherwise not so much.
I have shown the limitations of RADAR. It would have been impossible for over the horizon radar to follow the plane.
I can not find any information about MH-370 having GPS tracking.., can you please provide a reference. (GPS tracking is accomplished not visually by satellites and cameras.., but by using clocks and timing the response from GPS to satellite).

I am also under the impression that authorities (those within the aviation industry.., as well as government bodies) are unsure how the plane disappeared. Can you please provide me with a source stating they simply turned off their transponder.
 

CasualBystander

Celestial
Depending on size and speed also. An alleged ETV would not be as slow moving as an asteroid.., or as predictable to be in the same spot or expected trajectory for the next image hours later.., and to inform others where to point there telescopes.


I have shown the limitations of RADAR. It would have been impossible for over the horizon radar to follow the plane.
I can not find any information about the plane having GPS tracking.., can you please provide a reference. (GPS tracking is accomplished not visually by satellites and cameras.., but by using clocks and timing the response from GPS to satellite).

I am also under the impression that authorities (those within the aviation industry.., as well as government bodies) are unsure how the plane disappeared. Can you please provide me with a source stating they simply turned off their transponder.
The wiki timeline is pretty close to the current understanding.

The Satcom was shut down prior to the last message.

The GPS data would have required the Satcom to be up.

The ping responses thereafter came from the satellite interface as normal call setup.

With the Satcom turned off there was no data to transmit.

The ping response timing was what led to the projections of the flight path with the assumption of constant speed and heading, which in turn match with the time of engine flame out.
 

Filakius

Adept
The planet is guarded by humans and aliens. In the Russian Alien Race Book it's claims Earth is/was guarded by a collective of races called The Council of 5 that were at one time known as The Council of 9. Apparently four races dropped out.
Apparantly and allegedly is all good.., but I am a person who needs to see and touch so
The wiki timeline is pretty close to the current understanding.

The Satcom was shut down prior to the last message.

The GPS data would have required the Satcom to be up.

The ping responses thereafter came from the satellite interface as normal call setup.

With the Satcom turned off there was no data to transmit.

The ping response timing was what led to the projections of the flight path with the assumption of constant speed and heading, which in turn match with the time of engine flame out.
I don't understand. Can you please provide me a link to where you are reading this information. I am very interested in the MH-370 flight. Thank you.
 

nivek

As Above So Below
nope they dont have heat fins
because they arent spaceships but solid "holograms", well not really its quite hard to explain

Mental constructs and controlled in like manner...
 

CasualBystander

Celestial
Apparantly and allegedly is all good.., but I am a person who needs to see and touch so

I don't understand. Can you please provide me a link to where you are reading this information. I am very interested in the MH-370 flight. Thank you.
Wiki timeline
Timeline of Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 - Wikipedia

What SATCOM, ACARS and Pings tell us about the missing Malaysia Airlines MH370

How Wide Should the MH370 Search Area Be?

The ACARS system that uploaded engine performance data (the only part of the reporting package Malaysia purchased) had to use VHF or Satcom (thru Inmarsat). So communication wasn't part of the data package.

For it not to communicate it had to be rurned off or all the communications had to be turned off, or both.

The sequence of Satcom communication is difficult to explain without human interaction. Further the fact while ACARS stayed down while the communications (apparently) didn't leads to the assumption someone on board needed to contact someone and reenabled communications.

All functions that require power on an airplane are routed through a circuit breaker because it is better to lose a function, than an aircraft. Everything can be turned off.

Further, the fact that the 7 arc width was almost entirely determined by uncertainty in plane trajectory indicates Inmarsat time stamps have 5 or more post decimal digits and the errors and delays in the system are well characterized.
 

SOUL-DRIFTER

Life Long Researcher
Assuming an advanced ET race managed to send an vehicle to our planet.., would it be able to enter Earth's atmosphere without alerting everybody? Or do we humans have the skies monitored so well, this would be impossible.

If they wanted to be totally undetectable I am sure they could be and would not be surprised to find out later that we have been visited by those that had done just that to the extreme.
Some may not give a damn one way or the other.
 

Filakius

Adept
I checked the wikipedia page.., and it does make similar claims about the military tracking the plane.., but when I fact checked their sources I couldn't find anything. The wikipedia page does not match the documents used as a reference.

The 2nd article is a very good link. Thank you. It says that MH-370 was connected to the satellite INMARSAT network.., but only sends data once per hour. Not constant. The last response to a satellite ping, was sent by the SATCOM aboard MH370 at 08.11AM Malaysia time, some 7 hours past the loss of contact with the Boeing 777.

The 3rd article is also quite good, but only shows how we are unable to track objects as easily as we'd assume. Especially an ETV without transponders and GPS locators.

Here's a meteor that we didn't pick up.
 

AlienView

Noble
"Would an ETV be able to visit the Earth secretly?"

Let's add up what we know about UFOs to date

- Phenomena that appears to be intelligently controlled.

-Phenomena that can be tracked on radar but then may suddenly disappear, as if by magic.

- American pilots have engaged these craft, and even have tried to bring thiem down
and have always failed, and sometimes to the detriment of the plane and pilot - pilots have died trying.

And these are cases seen and recorded - How often this is actually going on
- and has completely evaded detection you can only imagine.

So my hypothesis is not only can they be visiting Earth secretly
- they may be here all the time now
- hidden where? - Open to speculation as to where and why!
- For now we can 'assume' it is only for observation.
 

August

Metanoia
"Would an ETV be able to visit the Earth secretly?"

Let's add up what we know about UFOs to date

- Phenomena that appears to be intelligently controlled.

-Phenomena that can be tracked on radar but then may suddenly disappear, as if by magic.

- American pilots have engaged these craft, and even have tried to bring thiem down
and have always failed, and sometimes to the detriment of the plane and pilot - pilots have died trying.

And these are cases seen and recorded - How often this is actually going on
- and has completely evaded detection you can only imagine.

So my hypothesis is not only can they be visiting Earth secretly
- they may be here all the time now
- hidden where? - Open to speculation as to where and why!
- For now we can 'assume' it is only for observation.

Maybe in our oceans for one place .
 

Wraith Sheppard

Honorable
I hardly doubt that an advanced civilazation would have any interest in humanity. What do we even have to offer them if they come to us with new technology that could change the world for us ?
Unless we, somehow, become a threat to them then probably a contact would be made; a friendly warning if not anything worse.

Dr. Neil Degrasse Tyson explained this by comparing humans to chimpanzees and aliens to humans:
 

3FEL9

Islander
What do we even have to offer them if they come to us with new technology that could change the world for us ?

Unless they find us amusing and interesting enough to hangout with,,the only thing really,,worth anything...
Is the planet we're living on..

Its an interplanetary oasis...
 

Filakius

Adept
Dr. Neil Degrasse Tyson explained this by comparing humans to chimpanzees and aliens to humans:
We still study chimps.., and gorillas. Like Diane Fossey.., in a similar manner.
We don't charge into the group and demand to see their leader as we assume aliens would.
They are studied from afar. The observer tries not to be seen, interact or meddle with anything. The same rule documentary producers follow.., and that's to let nature take its course.

Only after observing their culture and I assume checking we don't give them diseases or vice versa.., they slowly make themselves known gradually until they are accepted as to not shock them.

Nowadays we don't even do that kind of thing. Just observe from afar.., maybe tranq a few for study I guess similar to an alien abduction from the stories told.
 

SOUL-DRIFTER

Life Long Researcher
Even if a ETV is tracked would those doing the tracking let the public know about it?
I doubt it...unless it was accompanied by a spectacular visual sights involving hundreds or thousands of people. Then they would do their best to explain it away.

Hard to track vehicles that may have entered(or left) out space via a doorway from another universe below aircraft tracking space.
I believe some do just that.
 

nivek

As Above So Below
We still study chimps.., and gorillas. Like Diane Fossey.., in a similar manner.
We don't charge into the group and demand to see their leader as we assume aliens would.
They are studied from afar. The observer tries not to be seen, interact or meddle with anything. The same rule documentary producers follow.., and that's to let nature take its course.

Only after observing their culture and I assume checking we don't give them diseases or vice versa.., they slowly make themselves known gradually until they are accepted as to not shock them.

Nowadays we don't even do that kind of thing. Just observe from afar.., maybe tranq a few for study I guess similar to an alien abduction from the stories told.

How far away are you thinking?...A base in the oceans or the moon or further out?...

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nivek

As Above So Below
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Why can't we find missing planes like flight MH-370??

There are only around 10 US, Russian and European satellites capable of such detailed images. They each orbit Earth roughly every hour and a half, imaging a strip a few hundred kilometres wide as they go. “Each one probably covers a few per cent of the Earth every day.

They could have taken an image of the downed plane. We don’t know the exact capabilities of these satellites, but they are likely to take sharper pictures than the civilian equivalent, They are also probably equipped with more advanced colour filters and the NRO is likely to have advanced image analysis software, both of which could help pick out wreckage from the sea.
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Planes are usually tracked by;

- ADS-B is less common with only 35% of planes equipped in the US.

- MLAT, 99% of Europe is covered, only parts of the US are. At least four receivers are needed to calculate the position of an aircraft

- TAR (primary) radar relies on radio waves reflecting off metallic objects and is effective within a short range from the radar head 160 nmiles away

- En route radar, or secondary surveillance radar, relies on an aircraft having a transponder which transmits a data signal. The signal is received and interrogated by a ground station ranging from 250 nmiles (463 km) in radius and up to 100 000 ft (30 km). Not very much at all.

The ease with which Malaysia Airlines flight MH370 disappeared from radar systems illustrates how modern aviation relies on ageing ground infrastructure. The inability of 26 nations to find a 250-tonne Boeing 777 has shocked an increasingly connected world and exposed flaws in the use of radar, which fades over oceans and deserts.

We track our cars, we track our kids' cell phones, but we can't track airplanes when they are over oceans or other remote areas. Satellites provide the obvious answer, experts say. However the overhaul of current systems would be costly

All planes have a radar transponder that squawks their identity and location via terrestrial radio signals. But once they pass out of range of land-based radar, a few hundred kilometres from the shore, aircraft are often on their own until they’re picked up by the next receiver.

Planes are big, but the ocean is much bigger and searching can be difficult. It took two years to find the wreckage of an Air France airliner that went down in the mid-Atlantic in 2009. And it’s not just planes that disappear into the abyss. On 4 February 2013, a 1400-tonne ocean liner, the Lyubov Orlova, went missing and has never been found.


What about Spy satellites?
The US National Reconnaissance Office (NRO) has an extensive network of spy satellites that cover the globe and could have taken an image of the downed plane. We don’t know the exact capabilities of these satellites, but they are likely to take sharper pictures than the civilian equivalent, They are also probably equipped with more advanced colour filters and the NRO is likely to have advanced image analysis software, both of which could help pick out wreckage from the sea.


So could the NRO have a picture of the plane?
It is not the NRO’s job to track commercial airliners. The satellites’ orbits are public knowledge and some have passed close to the plane’s last known location, but they may not have been imaging at the time. If the agency does have a picture, it would probably quietly pass that information to the relevant authorities, says McDowell.

Many satellites don’t take pictures in visible light, but use other wavelengths instead. The NRO’s infrared satellites look for the heat signatures of missile launches around the world, and could potentially see a plane exploded in mid air. According to The New York Times, the US Department of Defense has checked the surveillance data and found no evidence of an explosion.

"Using a system that looks for flashes around the world, the Pentagon reviewed preliminary surveillance data from the area where the plane disappeared and saw no evidence of an explosion,"

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I had a look through pretty much all the current ICBM programmes allied forces have, all of which rely on ground based radar (PAC-3, Aegis, THAAD etc) to detect missiles. But for Intercontinental ballistic missiles, such as the one tested by North Korea, fly far too high and fast for these systems to engage with. This is where GBMD comes onto the scene. It mostly relies on various radar.., but I'll ignore them to discuss the 3 satellite programmes being used..




Ground Based Midcourse Defense.
(GBMD)

The Ground-Based Midcourse Defense (GMD) program uses land-based missiles to intercept incoming ballistic missiles in the middle of their flight, outside the atmosphere. The well-known Patriot missiles provide what’s known as terminal-phase defense options, while longer-reach options like the land-based THAAD intercept missiles coming down. Even so, their sensors and flight ranges are best suited to defense against shorter range missiles launched from in-theater. GBMC uses ground-based radar, backed by 3 different satellite programmes.

1) The Defense Support Program (DSP)
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First launched in 1970 is a constellation of satellites in geosynchronous orbit (GEO) that used infrared sensor to detect heat from missile and booster plumes against the Earth's background.. The satellites include a spinning sensor with short- and mid-wave infrared radars that have a 10-second revisit rate, though they are not dynamically taskable. Each unit is estimated to cost around $400 million. Due to be superceded by the Space-based Infrared System. (See 3 below)



2) Space Tracking and Surveillance System (STSS)
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A space-based system developed and operated by the Missile Defense Agency that detects and tracks ballistic missiles. This system is an experimental component of the U.S. Ballistic Missile Defense System (BMDS) and STSS serves as a complement to other U.S. space-based platforms.

The aim of the Space Tracking and Surveillance System is to track missiles through all three phases of flight (boost, midcourse, and terminal); discriminate between warheads and decoys; transmit data to other systems that will be used to cue radars and provide intercept handovers; and provide data for missile defense interceptors to hit their target.

The STSS constellation orbits at 1,350km with a 58-degree incline and has a two-hour orbital period. The sensors on the two satellites detect visible and infrared light. and has three main components: a wide-view acquisition sensor, a narrow-view tracking sensor, and a signal and data processor subsystem.

The wide-view acquisition sensor will detect missiles during their boost phase. (No ground view)

Once it reaches its midcourse phase, STSS follows its trajectory through space with a narrow-view tracker. While both the wide- and narrow-view sensors hone in on a missile, they send information to the system’s signal and data processor subsystem which is capable of sifting through some 2.1 gigabits of data per second. This subsystem can detect and track over 100 objects at a time and will be able to determine what objects in space are missiles or warheads

The goal of an operational STSS is to track missiles through all three phases; discriminate between warheads and decoys; transmit data to other systems



3) Space-based Infrared System (SBIRS)
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This system is intended to replace the aging DSP system of satellites. SBIRS satellites are able to scan large swaths of territory to detect missile activity and can also hone in on areas of interest for lower-scale activities, including launches of tactical ballistic missiles. These sensors are independently tasked, meaning the satellite can both scan a wide territory and fixate on a particular area of concern simultaneously.

The first satellite, SBIRS GEO-1, launched in May 2011 and was followed in March 2013 by the SBIRS GEO-2 satellite. July 2015, third satellite and fourth satellite first, on October 2016.

In addition to the dedicated satellites, the system also includes two missile warning sensors hosted on classified satellites in HEO that were launched in November 2006 (includes a scanning sensor composed of short- and mid-wave infrared radars that can see close to the ground) and a fourth satellite in June 2008.

The constellation has a continuous view of all of the earth’s surface, which it images every 10 seconds while searching for infrared (IR) activity indicating heat signatures.5 SBIRS is able to detect missile launches faster than any other system and can identify the missile’s type, burnout velocity, trajectory, and point of impact

The system was initially designed to include satellites in low earth orbit. However, this program was incorporated into the STSS program in 2001 and handed over to the Missile Defense Agency (MDA) and is intended to replace the Defense Support Program (1 see above)



SBIRS GEO was deployed in 2011 and consists of both taskable and nontaskable sensors with both scanning and staring payloads with short- and mid-wave infrared radars. It is able to both have a hemispheric ground of view as well as see very close to the ground.
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SBIRS HEO
, launched in 2006, was the first deployed asset.
It is re-taskable and includes a scanning sensor composed of short- and mid-wave infrared radars that can see close to the ground.
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As of 2015, the system’s current total program cost was almost $19B for six satellites.

As of 2015, two of the four planned satellites are in orbit as well as three complementary scanning sensors on intelligence satellites in HEO

SBIRS is positioned so that it would be the first U.S. asset to detect a ballistic missile launch. Once it detects significant activity, that information is transmitted to Air Force Space Command in Colorado and subsequently to North American Aerospace Defense Command (NORAD) and other relevant parts of the military who will decide whether the launch threatens the United States or its interests.

The science is in the growing set of algorithms used to manipulate data collected by the system. Work in the “battlespace awareness” mission for satellite IR data can take hours today.

The only image released for public use from the Sbirs system is this one.
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It captures the heat plume emitted by a Delta IV predawn launch. The plume is readily visible against the backdrop of Earth, which in the early morning hours sees little heat and sunlight.



SBIRS OPS CENTER

The ops center is a modern, wide space dotted with computer consoles. Personnel in an intelligence cell are of to the side. A space in the center will be occupied by each shift’s director

The gravity of the mission contrasts with the youth of its operators at Buckley, most of whom were born after the ending of the Cold War that drove development of the missile warning and defense architecture. The average Sbirs operator is about 20 years old and has about six months’ experience working the console. The ops fl oor is populated by a multinational presence, including British, Australian and Canadian military of cials. These operators work 12- hr. shifts, constantly monitoring computer screens. The Sbirs operators are divided into four areas aligned with its four missions: missile defense, missile warning, technical intelligence and battlespace awareness
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NON - MILITARY

Factoring in things like maintenance, cloud cover and the fact that they don’t take images all the time, that probably means at most 5 per cent of the planet is imaged in high-resolution each day. Some areas, such as cities, are imaged much more than others, this can be seen in Goggle maps where areas can be low res and years old.. "Open ocean is not what you’re taking pictures of" Jonathan McDowell of the Harvard-Smithsonian Center For Astrophysics in Cambridge, Massachusetts.

Ball Aerospace is the maker of Maps- and Earth-related imagery satellites and it’s now started working on the Worldview-3 satellite for commercial satellite operator DigitalGlobe. Ball project manager Jeff Dierks, who has worked on most satellites opperated by companies that sell images to Google, says the technology used by these gigantic flying cameras is rather basic. “At its simplest, it is a decent resolution digital camera in space,” he said and explained that instead of taking individual pictures it takes continuous images “along thin strips of land or sea.”

Commercial images such as the ones Google Maps and Google Earth use, meanwhile, will only show objects that measure 50cm (20 inches).

Weather satellites take pictures of the entire planet each day, but only once per hour at very low resolution.
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All of these satellites are used for very specific purposes. Missile watch is taken very seriously and the technology is not used as a toy or for other purposes.

If you have ever looked through binoculars or a telescope and waved your hand in front of the lens, and passes by like an almost invisible blur.., the same applies for all telescopes and lenses. This means if the camera has a wide field of view (the image of Australia).., then each pixel is too small to see a car, plane, boat of a potential UFO. The more zoomed in.., the shorter the FOV etc.., but we'll get into that boring stuff later.



Indeed there are many gaps in our sensors and satellites around the world, too many things slip by unnoticed, no doubt alien craft are moving in and out of our atmosphere without our knowledge just as some meteors go unnoticed until they crash or spotted nearby...

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