Alien Reproduction Vehicle

nivek

As Above So Below
Background

At the age of 12 (mid-seventies) I read about John Searl in a swedish
newpaper. There was a picture of him next to his saucer craft that
seemingly hovered in the air above and behind him.

(I still regret that I didn't contact him and his team in England back
then, but I was probably too young, anyway.)

The article stated that the drive system consisted of magnets that
rotated somehow.

Imagine all drawings I made for years thereafter, usually with a large
rotating disk at the bottom of the craft!

Actually, I was fashinated by -- and had drawn -- flying saucers long
before the newpaper article, and I guess it resonated in me more
than in the average swede.

The article marked the beginning of my life-long (although interrupted
by realities of life, and lack of workable tech clues) quest to
understand how to build a working flying saucer.

Later in the seventies, I bought a book about Viktor Schauberger, and
reading about the Repulsin only increased my interest in flying saucer
construction.

In 1993 I stumbled upon a few text documents about John Searl on the
KeelyNet BBS (dial-up), and I realized that this was the man in the
newspaper article.

In early 1996, a friend pointed me to a USENET newsgroup post (IIRC, could've
been on the web) that said that John Searl is going to present at two
seminars in England, so in the spring and summer of that year I
participated those seminars, and shortly thereafter I became member of
the newly-formed team ("the new team") based in England (now dead
website: sisrc.com). We tried to recreate the technology that John
Searl and his old team had created earlier, but for various reasons
(spelled problems with magnetization) we did not succeed. We
didn't focus on the energy side and not the flying side, although the
prospect of the latter was a real driving force for many of us!

I spent a great deal of 1997 on this project, mainly procuring
components for our prototype (magnets and dielectric). I also
participated in general discussions about the technology with John
Searl and the other members of the new team.

The team broke up in 2003 after a row with John Searl.

So, what did I learn from this interesting experience?

  1. John Searl didn't really know how to build a working SEG. Those
    who knew were the more skilled members of his first team (a group just
    called "ONL") that consisted of retired workers/engineers from the
    Midlands Electricity Board that, and that Searl had successfully
    convinced to help him build his first SEG after he did some
    fascinating experiments with unlubricated roller bearings propelled by
    pressurized air (the alleged inspiration of the SEG, according to his
    brother Peter). Midlands Electricity Board had at their premises a
    decommissioned turbine shaft demagnitizer the size of a small room.
    They modified it for the special magnetization required for the SEG
    ("magnetic sprockets"). This big machine was scrapped in the early
    nineties after remaining for a long time at the Midlands Electricity
    Board. The board actually contacted him before scrapping it, but he
    had nowhere to put it! Now you might understand why the new team were
    unable to build a working magnetizer!
  2. They could never control the flying versions of the SEG (IGV) --
    they just shot right up into space, and this obviously raises questions
    about the above photo.

    I learned this from a long phone conversation with John's brother
    Peter more than ten years ago. Peter also recounted when unidentified
    men suddenly appeared (in the late sixties, IIRC) at their site and
    smashed all the things they were working on. This didn't dissuade
    them, and they rebuilt everyting and continued their work.

    Note that this uncontrollability was also the case with Schauberger's
    Repulsin -- his first Repulsin was destroyed when it hit the ceiling
    just after turning it on.
  3. The SEG helped me understand other similar devices like the
    Repulsin, most notably the MAGVID[/B} -- the interesting
    solid-state device that I will focus on in coming posts. Please hear
    me on this: the MAGVID directly relates to the ARV, in my
    (probably not so humble) opinion!


In 2005 I wrote a paper describing my understanding of the SEG at
that point:

http://blog.lege.net/Mathias_Bage/The_SEG-Introduction_and_analysis.pdf

It is partly unfinished. And I hadn't talked to Peter Searl yet.

Now I must get some sleep.

/Mathias Båge

Thanks for posting your paper, I'm reading it now...Gambeir has knowledge of ARV, I've been interested in this since he began posting information here...
 

humanoidlord

ce3 researcher
Background

At the age of 12 (mid-seventies) I read about John Searl in a swedish
newpaper. There was a picture of him next to his saucer craft that
seemingly hovered in the air above and behind him.

(I still regret that I didn't contact him and his team in England back
then, but I was probably too young, anyway.)

The article stated that the drive system consisted of magnets that
rotated somehow.

Imagine all drawings I made for years thereafter, usually with a large
rotating disk at the bottom of the craft!

Actually, I was fashinated by -- and had drawn -- flying saucers long
before the newpaper article, and I guess it resonated in me more
than in the average swede.

The article marked the beginning of my life-long (although interrupted
by realities of life, and lack of workable tech clues) quest to
understand how to build a working flying saucer.

Later in the seventies, I bought a book about Viktor Schauberger, and
reading about the Repulsin only increased my interest in flying saucer
construction.

In 1993 I stumbled upon a few text documents about John Searl on the
KeelyNet BBS (dial-up), and I realized that this was the man in the
newspaper article.

In early 1996, a friend pointed me to a USENET newsgroup post (IIRC, could've
been on the web) that said that John Searl is going to present at two
seminars in England, so in the spring and summer of that year I
participated those seminars, and shortly thereafter I became member of
the newly-formed team ("the new team") based in England (now dead
website: sisrc.com). We tried to recreate the technology that John
Searl and his old team had created earlier, but for various reasons
(spelled problems with magnetization) we did not succeed. We
didn't focus on the energy side and not the flying side, although the
prospect of the latter was a real driving force for many of us!

I spent a great deal of 1997 on this project, mainly procuring
components for our prototype (magnets and dielectric). I also
participated in general discussions about the technology with John
Searl and the other members of the new team.

The team broke up in 2003 after a row with John Searl.

So, what did I learn from this interesting experience?

  1. John Searl didn't really know how to build a working SEG. Those
    who knew were the more skilled members of his first team (a group just
    called "ONL") that consisted of retired workers/engineers from the
    Midlands Electricity Board that, and that Searl had successfully
    convinced to help him build his first SEG after he did some
    fascinating experiments with unlubricated roller bearings propelled by
    pressurized air (the alleged inspiration of the SEG, according to his
    brother Peter). Midlands Electricity Board had at their premises a
    decommissioned turbine shaft demagnitizer the size of a small room.
    They modified it for the special magnetization required for the SEG
    ("magnetic sprockets"). This big machine was scrapped in the early
    nineties after remaining for a long time at the Midlands Electricity
    Board. The board actually contacted him before scrapping it, but he
    had nowhere to put it! Now you might understand why the new team were
    unable to build a working magnetizer!
  2. They could never control the flying versions of the SEG (IGV) --
    they just shot right up into space, and this obviously raises questions
    about the above photo.

    I learned this from a long phone conversation with John's brother
    Peter more than ten years ago. Peter also recounted when unidentified
    men suddenly appeared (in the late sixties, IIRC) at their site and
    smashed all the things they were working on. This didn't dissuade
    them, and they rebuilt everyting and continued their work.

    Note that this uncontrollability was also the case with Schauberger's
    Repulsin -- his first Repulsin was destroyed when it hit the ceiling
    just after turning it on.
  3. The SEG helped me understand other similar devices like the
    Repulsin, most notably the MAGVID[/B} -- the interesting
    solid-state device that I will focus on in coming posts. Please hear
    me on this: the MAGVID directly relates to the ARV, in my
    (probably not so humble) opinion!


In 2005 I wrote a paper describing my understanding of the SEG at
that point:

http://blog.lege.net/Mathias_Bage/The_SEG-Introduction_and_analysis.pdf

It is partly unfinished. And I hadn't talked to Peter Searl yet.

Now I must get some sleep.

/Mathias Båge
found high res
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nivek

As Above So Below
as well as possibly a type of cloud creating technology for visible cloaking which would be combined with a primitive form of projector cloaking.

I just read a recent paper about visible cloaking a few days ago, I'll try to find it again...
 

CasualBystander

Celestial
Note that this uncontrollability was also the case with Schauberger's
Repulsin -- his first Repulsin was destroyed when it hit the ceiling
just after turning it on.

Umm. Uncontrollability just means the device was a test of concept. With electrical engineers as part of the design team this problem should have disappeared in device 2.0.

Could you explain the difference between the replusin and the Searl device?

Do you know the principles of either device?

Do you know what the generated magnetic field strength was in Gauss or Tesla?

It should be possible to get the coils from an MRI machine and do any magnetization that is needed.

... err reading through your paper. Will have question list.
 
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Gambeir

Celestial
I just read a recent paper about visible cloaking a few days ago, I'll try to find it again...

Yes, I'd be keen to see it. Right now everything I've done has been done with the idea that the ARV is at least a half century old, if not older, and that all technology in it dates from at least the mid 1950's and no later than 1960. Doing this helps restrict technology so that we don't have to resort to anything not known prior to the 1950's at the latest.

Therefore, I have not resorted to any modern explanations for so~called observed phenomena of UFO's in explaining the vehicle. Personally I do not feel the vehicle is a reproduction of any alien vehicle at all, but is instead the "Flux Liner" which I think is what Mark McCandlish called it to begin with. Not sure about that however.

You may recall the mysterious photo from the JFK Assassination which mysteriously showed up along with three other photos, one of which featured George Bush Senior. Those were found under an over~pass in Dallas Texas via a tip phone call to a local news agency. That story has been pretty well scrubbed from the net now.

At any rate, I'll let people draw their own conclusions. Go to the link below for more information and photo's.
A series of photo's captured in 1957 at a US Army Base. Published in 1967.
The Ring Cloud UFO Photographs, 1957, UFO Casebook Files

ringufo4.jpg


Next go to this link for an Ubber HD image taken of Dealey Plaza while people await the Presidents Motorcade. http://www.rumormillnews.com/Images/Lost_Dealy-Plaza-enhanced2.jpg Rumormills covered the original story, which I cannot find, but they did archive this important image. I suggest you save it in your own personal files.

Notice the smoke ring in the upper right hand corner. Many have mistaken this for a cigarette burn, but it's not, it's in the image. There is a slight long line about three pixels to the left, which is a US Army Helicopter. A Sikorsky S-55 type which is also recorded on film as being in the air in this area at the time of the assassination.
Sikorsky Archives | S-56/HR2S-1/H-37 Helicopter

So now, the idea here is that manufactured clouds cloaked these ARV type vehicles for special operations. What the helicopter was itself doing at the time was never explained by anyone to my knowledge.


So the idea here is that there a physical track record which dates the existence of ring cloud formations progressing to full cloud shape at least 6 years prior to the assassination of JFK. Since we can be relatively sure there are no known natural causes for such clouds to manifest, then we must assume the images taken in 1957 probably were taken as part of test program and then accidentally leaked somehow, and later then passed off as a natural phenomena.

Now of course this doesn't prove the ARV existed in 1957, as this could be a circular blimp like vehicle testing cloud cloaking technology, but it does show that covert programs were underway which were manifestly using a cloaking a technology well within the scope of existing technology of the day, and which was ring shaped. So it's supportive at the very least that this technology was being aimed at a specific program for covert surveillance.
 
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PS: I'll be checking back and looking forward to your posts on this topic. Really interested in hearing your thoughts and ideas on the propulsion system. Again, it's my view that there are number of methods which might explain it's operation. That's actually been one of the problems since the way it works seems to constantly morph as our knowledge grows. Also, by no means have we got this sucker figured out. Still wide open to potential explanations and then applied tests as a way to move forwards with this subject.

You wouldn't happen to be the author of this article would you?
Flying Triangles And The Black Holes On My Fridge
Nope. And I haven't contacted you either. But I've read 50% of whats been written
in the long thread at Energetic Forum, and since I couldn't join that forum, I actually googled your nickname to see it you posted in other fora, and sure enough, you did, and here I am.

/Mathias Båge
 
PS: I'll be checking back and looking forward to your posts on this topic. Really interested in hearing your thoughts and ideas on the propulsion system. Again, it's my view that there are number of methods which might explain it's operation. That's actually been one of the problems since the way it works seems to constantly morph as our knowledge grows. Also, by no means have we got this sucker figured out. Still wide open to potential explanations and then applied tests as a way to move forwards with this subject.

You wouldn't happen to be the author of this article would you?
Flying Triangles And The Black Holes On My Fridge
Nope.
/Mathias Båge
 

CasualBystander

Celestial

After look at the paper I have a working theory.

Electro-static, magneto-static forces are about 10**30 stronger than gravity.

There are about 10**26 atoms per kilogram (6*10*23 grams per mole). Two 1 kg rocks would be forced apart by a single charge (one electron) each. A single charge on one rock would pull them together (the other rock would polarize). Both gravity and electromagnetism are fields (IE they follow the 1/R2 rule).

The earth is comprised of 1.33*10**50 atoms, 5.972 * 10 **21 metric tons of mass. Since gravity is proportional to G1*G2 (the product of the masses) that is why you are sucked downward.

It is hard to establish and maintain a significant charge, magnetism, or polarity difference which is why charge overcoming gravity is seldom an issue.

What these apparently mechanical systems are attempting to do (my theory) is harvest a small residual force from a motion of a permanently polarized dielectric in a magnetic field (it is a changing magnetic field and the dielectric is static but the principle is the same).

There is a force exerted 90° to the direction of motion/change of magnetic field.

Harvesting this force uniformly to operate in a single direction seems to be the justification for all the complexity.

A modern control system with individual control of the rotating roller speed by an automated system should control this thing.

Is that your understanding?
 
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nivek

As Above So Below
Yes, I'd be keen to see it.

Here it is...

Macroscopic invisibility cloaking of visible light

In this article, we report the first demonstration of a macroscopic volumetric cloaking device operating at visible frequencies, which can conceal objects of sizes of at least 3 orders of magnitude larger than the wavelength of light in all three dimensions, and works for a specific polarization of the incident light.

Here is where I found the paper...

Invisible to the naked eye

For the first time, physicists from two separate groups have created rugs that can hide objects in visible light. The scientists made carpet cloaks from calcite crystals. The calcite crystal cloaks are more affordable than traditional cloaks. Calcite crystal is naturally occurring and is a cheap optical material.

Baile Zhang, an engineer at the Singapore-MIT Alliance for Research and Technology Centre, created a cloaking rug that can hide objects that can be seen by the naked eye. The object looks hidden because light reflects off the surface. The carpet-cloaking device can hide things in the millimeter range and do so in visible light.
 
Umm. Uncontrollability just means the device was a test of concept. With electrical engineers as part of the design team this problem should have disappeared in device 2.0.

Could you explain the difference between the replusin and the Searl device?

Do you know the principles of either device?

Do you know what the generated magnetic field strength was in Gauss or Tesla?

It should be possible to get the coils from an MRI machine and do any magnetization that is needed.

... err reading through your paper. Will have question list.

I will in a few days. Have a very busy weekend.
/Mathias Båge
 

CasualBystander

Celestial
Lots of text everywhere

I have some conceptual problems with the drive depending on where the source of the drive force is (what element of the craft is actually being forced up).

But will reserve judgment and comment until I understand what is supposed to happen.
 

nivek

As Above So Below
Yes, I'd be keen to see it. Right now everything I've done has been done with the idea that the ARV is at least a half century old, if not older, and that all technology in it dates from at least the mid 1950's and no later than 1960. Doing this helps restrict technology so that we don't have to resort to anything not known prior to the 1950's at the latest.

Therefore, I have not resorted to any modern explanations for so~called observed phenomena of UFO's in explaining the vehicle. Personally I do not feel the vehicle is a reproduction of any alien vehicle at all, but is instead the "Flux Liner" which I think is what Mark McCandlish called it to begin with. Not sure about that however.

You may recall the mysterious photo from the JFK Assassination which mysteriously showed up along with three other photos, one of which featured George Bush Senior. Those were found under an over~pass in Dallas Texas via a tip phone call to a local news agency. That story has been pretty well scrubbed from the net now.

At any rate, I'll let people draw their own conclusions. Go to the link below for more information and photo's.
A series of photo's captured in 1957 at a US Army Base. Published in 1967.
The Ring Cloud UFO Photographs, 1957, UFO Casebook Files

ringufo4.jpg


Next go to this link for an Ubber HD image taken of Dealey Plaza while people await the Presidents Motorcade. http://www.rumormillnews.com/Images/Lost_Dealy-Plaza-enhanced2.jpg Rumormills covered the original story, which I cannot find, but they did archive this important image. I suggest you save it in your own personal files.

Notice the smoke ring in the upper right hand corner. Many have mistaken this for a cigarette burn, but it's not, it's in the image. There is a slight long line about three pixels to the left, which is a US Army Helicopter. A Sikorsky S-55 type which is also recorded on film as being in the air in this area at the time of the assassination.
Sikorsky Archives | S-56/HR2S-1/H-37 Helicopter

So now, the idea here is that manufactured clouds cloaked these ARV type vehicles for special operations. What the helicopter was itself doing at the time was never explained by anyone to my knowledge.


So the idea here is that there a physical track record which dates the existence of ring cloud formations progressing to full cloud shape at least 6 years prior to the assassination of JFK. Since we can be relatively sure there are no known natural causes for such clouds to manifest, then we must assume the images taken in 1957 probably were taken as part of test program and then accidentally leaked somehow, and later then passed off as a natural phenomena.

Now of course this doesn't prove the ARV existed in 1957, as this could be a circular blimp like vehicle testing cloud cloaking technology, but it does show that covert programs were underway which were manifestly using a cloaking a technology well within the scope of existing technology of the day, and which was ring shaped. So it's supportive at the very least that this technology was being aimed at a specific program for covert surveillance.

What kind of ship is implied to be within the ring?...
 

Gambeir

Celestial
Here it is...

Macroscopic invisibility cloaking of visible light

In this article, we report the first demonstration of a macroscopic volumetric cloaking device operating at visible frequencies, which can conceal objects of sizes of at least 3 orders of magnitude larger than the wavelength of light in all three dimensions, and works for a specific polarization of the incident light.

Here is where I found the paper...

Invisible to the naked eye

For the first time, physicists from two separate groups have created rugs that can hide objects in visible light. The scientists made carpet cloaks from calcite crystals. The calcite crystal cloaks are more affordable than traditional cloaks. Calcite crystal is naturally occurring and is a cheap optical material.

Baile Zhang, an engineer at the Singapore-MIT Alliance for Research and Technology Centre, created a cloaking rug that can hide objects that can be seen by the naked eye. The object looks hidden because light reflects off the surface. The carpet-cloaking device can hide things in the millimeter range and do so in visible light.

Thanks for digging that up Commander Nivek!
Yes, looks like meta~materials they are talking about.

Well the ring cloud could be cloaking anything really, a balloon even, but I'm looking at this series of photo's as probably involving early experimental testing with cloaking ARV type machines. I'm guessing the story behind the story to the photo's taken in 1957 is that they were documenting secret experimental testing, and somehow these got leaked out and were published in 1967 and passed off as a freak weather event.
 

Gambeir

Celestial
Casual, you're on the right track of one track. This is like aviation in the sense that there's more than one way to go about this and really it appears that early systems, at least, probably employed a couple of concepts that involve different areas which might be called things like; Electrokinetic's, Vacuum Polarization, Ion Kinetics, and others.
 
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CasualBystander

Celestial
Casual, you're on the right track of one track. This is like aviation in the sense that there's more than one way to go about this and really it appears that early systems, at least, probably employed a couple of concepts that involve different areas which might be called things like; Electrokinetic's, Vacuum Polarization, Ion Kinetics, and others.
Any relationship between EM and gravity will normally be concealed by resistive losses. There is some speculation that superconductors interact with gravity differently, at the very least the strong currents and magnetic fluxes that can be generated will magnify any small effect.

A moving magnetic field generates a opposing electric current in a conductor (this principle is how a generator works).

The "magnet floating on a superconductor" ("Meißner-Ochsenfeld-Effekt") is because the inducted current in a superconductor isn't dissipated. The magnet drops until the induced current B field (an electric current generates a B field at 90° to the direction of flow) matches the force of gravity and the magnet can't get any closer to the superconductor.

In my view Eugene Podkletnov of Tampere University of Technology in Finland was on the right track. NASA's effort to test his design was a joke. They were so bad at ceramics they couldn't reproduce a usable version of his test article. If the superconductor interaction depends on the microscopic (grain) structure as well as shape this kind of NIH testing is useless.

There is some interesting work by Tajmar as well.
Scientist creates artificial gravity through superconductors
 

Gambeir

Celestial
All existing ideas regarding antigravity propulsion are conjectures, far as I am aware of right now, and as such they would require real world testing with replications before making claims to real world propulsion systems.

Please keep in mind that I'm just a normal guy. Mathematics and or rules of physics are two areas I generally will not enter in to. I am like a guy who understands how to fix a head gasket on your car is not like the engineers that designed it; two entirely different levels of knowledge. Don't expect me to explain anything at a technical level. If you want to know that I can direct you to the best sources I know and trust. Personally I have neither desire nor ability and so I don't bother. Just explain it and give me the parts and I'll build it. I'm that guy.

That's why I talk to real scientists. They understand this crap but the problem most of them have is that they themselves are seemingly incapable of explaining it in any sensible form. Christ almighty it about drives me insane, but then that's why they talk to me, because I mostly manage to interpret their own mumbo jumbo back into human speak so that others can gather the gist of what the hell they blather on about..... At any rate....

Lets begin with understanding that there are many potential propulsion systems. Recall the USS Enterprise had both impulse power and warp drive. Most real antigravity ships have something along the lines of a mixed propulsion system.

Now a number of significant people have put forward a lot of effort to try to explain to us chimps how this crap works. Notice I include myself with the rest of the rejects. Lo;~

Probably a really excellent place to begin is with the work of Dr. Paul E. Potter. Having said that, realize this isn't something you're likely to just grasp on the first exposure, even for those with extensive technical training and experience, there is still material that's going to take some study, and then it takes time for the mind to sort it out.

Just understand that you're not going to look at this and have an Ah Ha! No, that's not happening. Antigravity propulsion involves a wide range of phenomena and knowledge in assorted fields. It's going to take time to gather it all in so that there's some sense to it for you.

Think of this as being like a person who manages to see an the motor of the mysterious automobile when those first waddled across the wagon trails. You're going to be going...WTF? What is that? There will be those kinds of moments and more most likely.

Right now we have this happening all over, and what else happens is Mr. Knowitall comes along and starts explaining it, all incorrectly of course, but how do you know that: Right? So to know is to become exposed over and over, and eventually the working ideas will expose themselves to you and the others will be seen as well as unworkable.

So to start with;
I'd recommend beginning with examining a book published in 2008 by Dr. Paul E. Potter. Physics of UFO gravity manipulation by resonating magnetic fields, and electrogravitic propulsion. For Andreasson, Lazar and Townsend Brown UFOs. "Different UFO's = Different Propulsion Systems." Sort of like Gliders, Airplanes, Helicopters, and Jets are all different.

Gravitational Manipulation of Domed Craft: UFO Propulsion Dynamics
https://www.amazon.com/Gravitational-Manipulation-Domed-Craft-Propulsion/dp/1931882916

Couple of sites which carry some of his Potters original work.
Physics of UFO gravity manipulation
UFO physics and UFOs back-engineered
 
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