Gene Steinberg's Financial Shenanigans @ Paracast forums

The shadow

The shadow knows!
My mistake but if Royce (UFOwatchdog) has gotten a hold of Gene..he is done.
 

Brian

Adept
Folks, received this email just now. I don't know if it's because I registered on the Paracast forum once (never actually posted, but I registered so my email would be there. This all sounds even shadier than Gene's usual BS.

This is becoming problematic. I get Beggin' Gene emails and newsletters only by registering AND never allowed to post. Then The Shadow Bob Watson reports that he uses the same password on Paracast forums and his Twitter account.

Now this.

o_O
 

Brian

Adept
Lol no way! I am smellig troll..
Or are you gene?
I did not get that myself!
For the record again I stuck around only because Chris asked me to!

Christopher O'Brien asked you to throw yourself at the altar of Gene Steinberg...................all the while he was plotting to dump Gene Steinberg.
 

The shadow

The shadow knows!
Since January I have been an admin at the paracast. In late February I saw gene was about to be homeless. I acted and placed a topic on the paracast forums. Then came the eviction, the hotel the move the hack. Woe after woe. I defended Gene. My twitter was hacked. Suddenly I was his head cheerleader. I have debated Michael Horn. I questioned Sylvia Browne to her face. I stood and busted fraud and hoaxes. But here I was supporting a man who by all evidence was committing fraud. Gene Stienburg has done nothing at all to address his situation. When I was robbed my whole family pitched in to help recover. While begging constantly Gene lives in an apartment that cost $950 to 1300 a month. Nice place. A GATED APARTMENT!!!!! A man who begs living in the LAP OF LUXURY! this is the place he is being tossed from. Folks I had all I can stand! I can not stand any more. My name have been link to Stienburg’s. I have been accused of being culpable. Of enabling. I started to question then finally I spoke out. But before I could make a break the whole “paranormal Davy” thing went down! Again dispute my growing discontent I defended Gene! And I stayed because the man I respected Chris Brian asked me to stay. Chris work was something I marveled at. He did the research. He was one of the best. And so I pressed on conflicted about the situation. And two days ago I decided enough was enough .



I BOB WATSON RESIGED MY POSITION OF ADMIN at paracast. Further I now disassociate my self from Gene. I like Ismay have jumped into a lifeboat and escaped the Titanic. I want nothing to do with gene!

I am tainted by Gene. My reputation in ruins. I now am on Alien expanse. Where I hope I can win back the trust of the UFO community.



Lastly I deserve some of the scorn heaped on me. “if you can’t stand the heat don’t go in the kitchen.”

It will take work but I will work hard to earn back the trust I lost. And for what it is worth I apologize to the UFO community for my past support of Gene Stienburg. And with this one book ends, a new one starts.

A clean start.

Bob Watson
 

The shadow

The shadow knows!
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Brian

Adept
Since January I have been an admin at the paracast. In late February I saw gene was about to be homeless. I acted and placed a topic on the paracast forums. Then came the eviction, the hotel the move the hack. Woe after woe. I defended Gene. My twitter was hacked. Suddenly I was his head cheerleader. I have debated Michael Horn. I questioned Sylvia Browne to her face. I stood and busted fraud and hoaxes. But here I was supporting a man who by all evidence was committing fraud. Gene Stienburg has done nothing at all to address his situation. When I was robbed my whole family pitched in to help recover. While begging constantly Gene lives in an apartment that cost $950 to 1300 a month. Nice place. A GATED APARTMENT!!!!! A man who begs living in the LAP OF LUXURY! this is the place he is being tossed from. Folks I had all I can stand! I can not stand any more. My name have been link to Stienburg’s. I have been accused of being culpable. Of enabling. I started to question then finally I spoke out. But before I could make a break the whole “paranormal Davy” thing went down! Again dispute my growing discontent I defended Gene! And I stayed because the man I respected Chris Brian asked me to stay. Chris work was something I marveled at. He did the research. He was one of the best. And so I pressed on conflicted about the situation. And two days ago I decided enough was enough .



I BOB WATSON RESIGED MY POSITION OF ADMIN at paracast. Further I now disassociate my self from Gene. I like Ismay have jumped into a lifeboat and escaped the Titanic. I want nothing to do with gene!

I am tainted by Gene. My reputation in ruins. I now am on Alien expanse. Where I hope I can win back the trust of the UFO community.



Lastly I deserve some of the scorn heaped on me. “if you can’t stand the heat don’t go in the kitchen.”

It will take work but I will work hard to earn back the trust I lost. And for what it is worth I apologize to the UFO community for my past support of Gene Stienburg. And with this one book ends, a new one starts.

A clean start.

Bob Watson

You got it, Bud. You deserve it. As far as I am concerned, you're brave and kewl. And I mean that.

Clean start? Claim it. You're entitled. We owe it to you. Tell yourself the TRUTH that you know. You too unique, too special, not to love yourself.

Brian
I'll no longer post as "eveshi" on the internet - Mind-energy.net
 

The shadow

The shadow knows!
May alone!

May (14)

A Q&A Update! May 30

Discouraging news! May 29

Rush Update! May 25
An Urgent Request May 25
Under Siege Update! May 25

Under Siege! May 22

The hate campaign intensifies! May 20
Going for broke! May 17
My situation so far! May 15

Weekend update on hacking! May 11

It appears to be ID theft! May 8

Update on bank hack! May 7

Hacked again! May 5

May update! May 1
 

Brian

Adept
I am bowing out of further participation on Alien Expanse. Not that there is one minutia of a problem with nivek or any other poster here. You have treated me better than I deserve. :Thumbsup:

Since I have been here, no reflection on forum security, or nivek, but my emails are being hacked. God, I sound like Gene Steinberg!!
When I was outed as a gay poster, ok, I could deal with that. NO!! That was to be MY choice. Now it is not. This suffering has nothing to do with AE of which I am most grateful to take me in.

It was and still is difficult for me to admit my homosexuality...then have to lay my heart and soul regarding my alien abductions and have most of humanity treat me like a ghoul. Not here.

Thank you all for a really real experience

Signing off now, I'll no longer post as "eveshi" on the internet - Mind-energy.net

Brian of PsienceQuest here I did my best
Pssst has been banned
formerly known as eveshi on Skeptiko
Still a Hi! I'm Brian
 

Ron67

Ignorance isn’t bliss!
I am bowing out of further participation on Alien Expanse. Not that there is one minutia of a problem with nivek or any other poster here. You have treated me better than I deserve. :Thumbsup:

Since I have been here, no reflection on forum security, or nivek, but my emails are being hacked. God, I sound like Gene Steinberg!!
When I was outed as a gay poster, ok, I could deal with that. NO!! That was to be MY choice. Now it is not. This suffering has nothing to do with AE of which I am most grateful to take me in.

It was and still is difficult for me to admit my homosexuality...then have to lay my heart and soul regarding my alien abductions and have most of humanity treat me like a ghoul. Not here.

Thank you all for a really real experience

Signing off now, I'll no longer post as "eveshi" on the internet - Mind-energy.net

Brian of PsienceQuest here I did my best
Pssst has been banned
formerly known as eveshi on Skeptiko
Still a Hi! I'm Brian
Sad to hear that Brian.Hope you reconsider.If not,happy travels.
 

nivek

As Above So Below
I am bowing out of further participation on Alien Expanse. Not that there is one minutia of a problem with nivek or any other poster here. You have treated me better than I deserve. :Thumbsup:

Since I have been here, no reflection on forum security, or nivek, but my emails are being hacked. God, I sound like Gene Steinberg!!
When I was outed as a gay poster, ok, I could deal with that. NO!! That was to be MY choice. Now it is not. This suffering has nothing to do with AE of which I am most grateful to take me in.

It was and still is difficult for me to admit my homosexuality...then have to lay my heart and soul regarding my alien abductions and have most of humanity treat me like a ghoul. Not here.

Thank you all for a really real experience

Signing off now, I'll no longer post as "eveshi" on the internet - Mind-energy.net

Hello Brian, I am also sad to see you decide to leave, you are most welcome here if you decide to return...I do appreciate your insight and thoughts here, you will be missed...

Brian of PsienceQuest here I did my best
Pssst has been banned
formerly known as eveshi on Skeptiko
Still a Hi! I'm Brian

Thanks for posting the Pssst link, I wanted to briefly say something about that because any emails or messages coming from that pssst@accountant.com are not from Thomas, I assume its the character in the link you posted or someone in cahoots with him but it is certainly not Thomas, no doubt about it at all...Someone is simply stirring in more drama by doing this, I recommend ignoring any of those emails and do not open any attachments that may be contained...
 

nivek

As Above So Below
I've been reading up on everything posted and being said about Paracast and us here at Alien Expanse around the web as much as I could, I do not use Facebook nor any other social media for myself personally so I cannot read from some sources, which is fine...The only social media the forum uses is Twitter...

I wanted to take a moment to personally thank you all for coming here, its wonderful that you are here, I am sure a few more from Paracast are also coming in their own time and some are on the fence about joining here or not...I have no doubts because of the drama and deceptions surrounding Gene and what he influenced on his forum that some of what has been said lately is largely influenced by that negativity...I feel saddened for what some of you have had to deal with, you know, one typically joins a forum to discuss the topics of that forum in an open and positive environment, not to have heaps of drama and negativity taint that environment...

We did not emerge here from the closing of AlienHub as some may think, that forum shut down unannounced to its members in the summer of 2017, we have been here since the summer of 2016...Our first year here had just a hand full of members that I could count on my hands and feet lol...That was fine, growing a place like this takes time and I wasn't in any rush right away to expand this place too quickly, Quality over Quantity, and we have a fine place here with a great group of people, including all of you...

Alien Expanse is as good as the membership in total, I may be the owner and fund this place but it is all of you, each individual member here that is really the heartbeat and pulse of this board, not myself...This forum is for all of you and will always remain here and be a great place to come visit and discuss things, because you all have made it this way...I love coming here every day and reading the discussions, comments, your thoughts and ideas, and I want you all to enjoy coming here as I do...

Let Alien Expanse speak for itself, look through the threads, see the responses and interactions for yourself, get involved in the threads or start your own threads, find out for yourself how things are here...I have no doubt you will enjoy it here, we have quite a diverse membership and that is important, diversity, people from all walks of life and that is key for the health and success of Alien Expanse...

nivek
 

Ron67

Ignorance isn’t bliss!
I've been reading up on everything posted and being said about Paracast and us here at Alien Expanse around the web as much as I could, I do not use Facebook nor any other social media for myself personally so I cannot read from some sources, which is fine...The only social media the forum uses is Twitter...

I wanted to take a moment to personally thank you all for coming here, its wonderful that you are here, I am sure a few more from Paracast are also coming in their own time and some are on the fence about joining here or not...I have no doubts because of the drama and deceptions surrounding Gene and what he influenced on his forum that some of what has been said lately is largely influenced by that negativity...I feel saddened for what some of you have had to deal with, you know, one typically joins a forum to discuss the topics of that forum in an open and positive environment, not to have heaps of drama and negativity taint that environment...

We did not emerge here from the closing of AlienHub as some may think, that forum shut down unannounced to its members in the summer of 2017, we have been here since the summer of 2016...Our first year here had just a hand full of members that I could count on my hands and feet lol...That was fine, growing a place like this takes time and I wasn't in any rush right away to expand this place too quickly, Quality over Quantity, and we have a fine place here with a great group of people, including all of you...

Alien Expanse is as good as the membership in total, I may be the owner and fund this place but it is all of you, each individual member here that is really the heartbeat and pulse of this board, not myself...This forum is for all of you and will always remain here and be a great place to come visit and discuss things, because you all have made it this way...I love coming here every day and reading the discussions, comments, your thoughts and ideas, and I want you all to enjoy coming here as I do...

Let Alien Expanse speak for itself, look through the threads, see the responses and interactions for yourself, get involved in the threads or start your own threads, find out for yourself how things are here...I have no doubt you will enjoy it here, we have quite a diverse membership and that is important, diversity, people from all walks of life and that is key for the health and success of Alien Expanse...

nivek
Having been a paracaster for a number of years I've witnessed Gene being the world's unluckiest !!! human over and over again.Im pretty easy going and tolerant but I've reached the end of my tether over Gene's histrionics so have contacted the forum members i know at the paracast who I think will be an asset on here and pointed them in this direction.I go on forums to learn,to debate and to have fun.Life is tough for everyone the forums for me are an oasis in the desert of humdrum life and Gene' never ending dramas taint that experience.
 
Hi, I am brand new here - my first post. I am also a refugee from The Paracast. I dared to confront Goggs MacKay (Paracast Moderator and co-host of the Paracast) in a private message, seeking to find out how he could in good conscience support Gene with all the obvious evidence of Gene having made a "life style" out of begging. Goggs responded to say that he is able to separate the"Private Begging Gene" from the "Official Paracast Gene", thereby allowing Goggs to continue to actively support the official Paracast Gene. To me this is like saying "I support my peer at work, even though he beats his wife because I separate the wife beater from the guy who sits next to me" or "I know our Great Leader has death camps out in the desert but he makes the trains run on time" or "As long as Fred does not rape the women in the office, I am not concerned about what he does on his own time". I sort of read Goggs the riot act (a charming old expression I like even though I've never researched its origins). For one thing, the "Private Begging Gene" and the "Official Paracast Gene" merge when he uses the membership lists of the Paracast to solicit for funds.

Result? I was banned. My conversation with Goggs was private but my account was deleted, even though I had paid in advance to be a Paracast Plus member through October 2018. So Gene is in breach of contract by not allowing me access to his Paracast Plus MP3 files. But I have better things to do than to launch a legal challenge against him. Also, in listening to recent shows, I really have lost much interest. Goggs always states the bloody obvious (certainly not a great mind like David Biedny), and the After the Paracast shows are predominantly Gene and a co-host or guest waxing nostalgic about the good old days, pop cultural references (Gene has to watch a hell of a lot of TV including cable or satellite dish stations), and just shooting the breeze for 30 minutes. I'd rather listen to my dog snore!

I do have a Gene story. I moved to Phoenix in 2004 from the San Francisco Bay area. I was a financial refugee and coul not afford to retire in the locale where I had spent most of my life. Phoenix has a nice quality of life at a low cost. Back around 2006 or 2007, I became enthusiastic about The Paracast (much more gullible back then, but David Biedny was great - Gene just announced the commercial breaks). Realizing that Gene also lived in the Phoenix area, I had the silly idea of giving him a gift of a DVD I had home made of clips from many serious and silly UFO films. So I contacted Gene in email to offer to bring it to him. Almost instantly, I received a response from Gene. Ignoring my gift suggestion, he told me that he was in the midst of a terrible EMERGENCY!! His wife has screwed up their bank account so they had no access to their funds. This was a Friday and he had no money for the weekend AND the house had no groceries. He was in a dire situation, so could I loan him a few hundred dollars to tide them over. Well, I was shocked and too cynical (I come from a large urban area, not Podunk where everyone leaves their doors unlocked). I refused to help him, did some research and was even told by a Moderator that this was SOP for Gene even back then.

Disillusionment. I kept listening because the Paracast still attracted great guests at times. I would post on the forum but never found it very friendly at all. If I expressed an unpopular notion, my post was ridiculed or totally ignored. So I pretty much stopped participating in the forum.

Now I do not exist over there even though I am paid up through October 2018. I think Gene is getting reckless since you should not be banishing people who have prepaid for your product just because they don't like you personally or vice versa. My life and time are too important to make a big deal out of this legally, but someone with wealth and an ax to grind could make Gene's life very uncomfortable legally over such a petulant act. Gene better be careful about banning people with Paracast Plus. To emphasize a point, I did not criticize Gene on the forums since that would immediately get you banned or a shaming email from Gene. So Goggs must have squealed on our private conversation, prompting the ban. I really have zero respect for Goggs MacKay at this point. Would you really sell your soul or sense of ethics just to be an occasional c0-host of a rinky dink podcast and the great glory of being a moderator on the forum? Methinks he sells himself out for very little.
 
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nivek

As Above So Below
Hello and welcome to AE, glad you are here and hope you enjoy it here...q37


I was banned. My conversation with Goggs was private but my account was deleted, even though I had paid in advance to be a Paracast Plus member through October 2018. So Gene is in breach of contract by not allowing me access to his Paracast Plus MP3 files.

This is appalling, you should at the very least get your money refunded, that action by him is poor business practise and unethical in my opinion...
 

humanoidlord

ce3 researcher
Since January I have been an admin at the paracast. In late February I saw gene was about to be homeless. I acted and placed a topic on the paracast forums. Then came the eviction, the hotel the move the hack. Woe after woe. I defended Gene. My twitter was hacked. Suddenly I was his head cheerleader. I have debated Michael Horn. I questioned Sylvia Browne to her face. I stood and busted fraud and hoaxes. But here I was supporting a man who by all evidence was committing fraud. Gene Stienburg has done nothing at all to address his situation. When I was robbed my whole family pitched in to help recover. While begging constantly Gene lives in an apartment that cost $950 to 1300 a month. Nice place. A GATED APARTMENT!!!!! A man who begs living in the LAP OF LUXURY! this is the place he is being tossed from. Folks I had all I can stand! I can not stand any more. My name have been link to Stienburg’s. I have been accused of being culpable. Of enabling. I started to question then finally I spoke out. But before I could make a break the whole “paranormal Davy” thing went down! Again dispute my growing discontent I defended Gene! And I stayed because the man I respected Chris Brian asked me to stay. Chris work was something I marveled at. He did the research. He was one of the best. And so I pressed on conflicted about the situation. And two days ago I decided enough was enough .



I BOB WATSON RESIGED MY POSITION OF ADMIN at paracast. Further I now disassociate my self from Gene. I like Ismay have jumped into a lifeboat and escaped the Titanic. I want nothing to do with gene!

I am tainted by Gene. My reputation in ruins. I now am on Alien expanse. Where I hope I can win back the trust of the UFO community.



Lastly I deserve some of the scorn heaped on me. “if you can’t stand the heat don’t go in the kitchen.”

It will take work but I will work hard to earn back the trust I lost. And for what it is worth I apologize to the UFO community for my past support of Gene Stienburg. And with this one book ends, a new one starts.

A clean start.

Bob Watson
very well
you have regained the respect of the folks here at alien expanse
 
Regarding the imminent downfall of the Paracast, I am skeptical that will happen. Why?

There is a constant churn in any area of belief and investigation. UFOLOGY and the Paranormal attract often some quite naive and innocent people (often the young). All such information is very new to such people, and they have no discernment regarding what is true and what is nonsense. I was probably one of those folks back in the early 90's when Art Bell was at his zenith. I actually believed that the guy and his cadre of carnival acts was sincerely on a crusade to find "THE TRUTH" (copyright pending). How embarrassing!

We are not innoculated from the "born believer" syndrome in these subject areas. This reminds me of some people I've known who were raised as atheists but then succumbed to the most simplistic babbling of New Age and fundamentalist Christian seductions. They had not built up a natural immunity to such things, coming from families that did not prepare them for exposure to such seductions.

In the same way, I think programs like the Paracast have a built-in constant feed of newbies. People may become cynical over time, but there is always a fresh crop coming in the entrance door as the cynical crowd runs out the Exit. This reminds me of a church experience I had several years ago. I am not a religious person, but felt lonely and thought I might meet some great people at a local progressive Christian church. I went often and met some fantastic people. Then I had a major illness and could not attend for at least a year. When I went back, I discovered that almost all the people I had liked were no longer there. I was so confused and asked the church administrator about it. He laughed and said that it was common knowledge in "churchdom" that there is a natural churn rate of about 3 years. While in small towns churches might keep a congregation for decades, in large urban mega-church situations, the audience turns over about every 3 years. So the administrator just shrugged and said this was normal. People come, get a fix spiritually, get their lives in order, and then leave because the repetitive message gets boring.

I do think that is what will keep the Paracast going. It isn't as if everyone is going out the Exit door and no one is coming in the entrance. Just today (under an assumed log in - don't tell Gene) a guy on the forum just volunteered to do tons of FREE work for Gene to get his new YOUTUBE channel set up. Gene is accustomed to relying on the kindness of strangers, and that continues. As W. C. Fields said long ago "Never give a sucker an even break".
 
Hello and welcome to AE, glad you are here and hope you enjoy it here...q37




This is appalling, you should at the very least get your money refunded, that action by him is poor business practise and unethical in my opinion...
Thank you but I do not have a way to do that. You know as well as I do that Gene would not relent without extreme legal pressure, and it certainly is not worth it to me to pursue. I also live in the same community as Gene, and am frankly afraid of what he might do. I do not trust that the guy has all his oars in the water, if you get my drift. I don't need any nut cases showing up at my door to harass me for daring to question the wisdom of the Paracast Master.
 
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