rattling the bear's cage once again

humanoidlord

ce3 researcher
so @nivek (this thread will also be of interest to menber @Zeke and @Gambeir ) asked me for proof on my interdimensional theory, and proof shall i bring!
all the following 4 cases make no sense in an ET explanation:
number 1 and 2 come from an source i aint gonna name right now, as for 3 and 4, they come from my own archives
1:
Spring 1951
South Africa: Near Paarl Cape Town,

H M a British instrumentation engineer, had driven part way up a mountain called the Drakensteen, 7 miles from Paarl, and was just turning back when a man appeared, waving his arm to stop the car, and asked "Have you any water?" H M had none. "You see, we need water!" he said. H M offered to take him to a stream; the man asked if it was far away, and on hearing it was only 1/4 mile, got into the car. H M offered an oilcan as container for the water, "That will be all right," said the man. When they got back, the man pointed toward the mountain, into the area darkened by its shadow, saying, "There, please, there!" So H M drove into the shadows, and discovered, about 100 yards from the road, a lenticular object with squarish windows around its circumference, standing on 2 broad feet. It was 35-50 ft in diameter & about 13 ft high. Between the supports legs a flight of steps led up to a lighted opening. The man then invited the dumbfounded H M to enter the UFO, and with a "friendly gesture" persuaded him to do so. Standing in the doorway, he saw that a circular bench, or couch, ran all around the circumference; in the center was an array of about 8 3 ft hand levers projecting from a rectangular aperture in the floor, each ending in a sort of "fork" like that of an old hand brake, and beyond these was an object shaped something like an upright piano perhaps an "instrument panel," though no dials or instruments were visible. The white light came from no visible source. In the UFO were 4 more men, one of whom was lying on the couch; H M's companion explained that he "had got burnt in a slight accident." H M was not permitted to approach him. All the men were short, 5-5'3" tall, and wore belted beige laboratory gowns extending below the knees, with trousers and shoes visible below. They totally ignored the witness. H M's companion gave them water; on being asked if they needed a doctor, he said no. The he asked if H M had any questions about the craft. H M asked where the engines where; he replied "We don't have any engines." Pointing at the levers, he said "We nullify gravity; that is how we rise." Asked how this was done, he answered that they used "a very heavy fluid" which circulated in a tube at near light velocity, creating a magnet. H M said such a speed was impossible. "No, it is simple," he replied, "when the fluid is leaving the tube, it is already entering the other end, thus its relative speed is infinite." H M asked where they came from; he pointed at the sky and said "From there;" to more specific questions he would not reply. After 15-20 minutes of conversation, the man pointed toward the door and invited H M to leave, which he did. About 45 minutes had elapsed since the man had first accosted him. The next day he went back to the spot, and found some "very strange marks." H M's interlocutor seemed older than the others, perhaps over 40. The men's bodies and faces were normal (perhaps with somewhat pronounced foreheads), their hair short and chestnut colored, none showing any traces of beard growth. Their hands seemed delicate, like women's. The witness told this story to the investigator in 1977, while in Spain, doing work for a Spanish firm. He had never divulged it before.

Source: Albert Rosales Humanoid Catalogue, 1951, entry #20; citing Humcat 1951-12 and Juan Jose Benitez, “The UFOnaut’s Plea for Water” FSR Vol. 24 # 2, pp. 3-6.
2:
September 14, 1978
USA : Near Belden, Nebraska

The witness, owner and president of a large firm who wished to remain anonymous, was driving from Sioux City’s airport (where he had rented a car after arriving from Washington DC) on the Interstate 20 toward Randolph (Nebraska) when, a few kilometers beyond Belden an object descended on a column of white light and landed (partly in the road and partly in the shoulder) ahead of him. The bizarre object looked like a military tank complete with treads, turret and camoflage paint, though without guns. He stopped about 20 m from it, got out and spoke to the man who came out an opening in the side. The man had dark hair and wore white pants and shirt ; he spoke to the witness addressing him by his first name :
« Well, Bob –what do you think of this ? »
The man then re-entered the object, the door closed, and the object then lifted off, ascending on a brilliant column of light so bright that the witness had to shield his eyes.
His memory lost his continuity at this point and he was next aware of driving his car on a different road. The UFO was following him and beaming a light through the rear window with such intensity that the interior of the car was as bright as daylight. The object paced him for a while and then flew off. As he was thoroughly familiar with the zone, he soon determined his new location, He was heading south on Route 15, about 20 km north of where he had been, apparently only an instant earlier. He reached Randolph at 23 :00, so apparently there was no time lapse.
The witness immediately placed a phone call to the Sioux City Police Department, which referred him to Bob Gribble (Phenomena Research) who subsequently asked that APRO investigate. After his business meeting in the morning, the witness himself made numerous inquiries to determine if anyone else had seen the UFO. He found none.

Sources :
Dave Kenney, « CE-III Encounter in Nebraska », APRO Bulletin 27 :6 (December 1978), pp. 1 & 3
Thomas E. Bullard, The UFO Abductions – The Measure of a Mystery (1987)
3: cosmic theater 1980 cadiz spain, page 1
4: the weirdest ufo case ever? rowley regis 1979 (humanoid encounters), page 1
 

Sheltie

Fratty and out of touch.
"No, it is simple," he replied, "when the fluid is leaving the tube, it is already entering the other end, thus its relative speed is infinite."
I think there may be a lot of universal mysteries which will turn out to have been amazingly simple once we solve finally solve them.
 

Black Angus

Honorable
A wormhole might look like that without being inter dimensional.

Something to keep in mind is your time/space co-ordinates are in constant change. You are never ever in the same place in the universe from one nano second to another.

Our Galaxy is moving away from 0-0-0 aka the big bang at 1.3 million miles per hour (2.1 million km/hr)
Our sun is flying around the rim of the galaxy 43,000 miles per hour (70,000 km/hr)
The earth is spinning round the sun at 66,000 miles per hour (107,000 km/hr)
And the speed of earths rotation equator of the Earth is close to 1000 miles per hour (1600 km/hr)

This video gives a fantastic show of how we travel in a vortex like pattern



From nano second to nano second our space time co-ordinates change, and we never occupy the same place twice.

The calculations needed to navigate from A to B in this universe are complex but not impossible.

It strikes me that inter-dimensional travel to a targeted location would be magnitudes more difficult.
 

Black Angus

Honorable
he answered that they used "a very heavy fluid" which circulated in a tube at near light velocity, creating a magnet.

timetravel34_36.jpg

Heim Theory

Or A tipler cylinder

timetravel34_94_small.jpg
 

humanoidlord

ce3 researcher
timetravel34_36.jpg

Heim Theory

Or A tipler cylinder

timetravel34_94_small.jpg
hmmm a tipler cylinder is a time machine
there are some obvious differences, a tipler cylinder is humongously big, while the UFO in the report has only a small tube
also weird that a spacecraft would work by travelling back in time
 

humanoidlord

ce3 researcher
A wormhole might look like that without being inter dimensional.

Something to keep in mind is your time/space co-ordinates are in constant change. You are never ever in the same place in the universe from one nano second to another.

Our Galaxy is moving away from 0-0-0 aka the big bang at 1.3 million miles per hour (2.1 million km/hr)
Our sun is flying around the rim of the galaxy 43,000 miles per hour (70,000 km/hr)
The earth is spinning round the sun at 66,000 miles per hour (107,000 km/hr)
And the speed of earths rotation equator of the Earth is close to 1000 miles per hour (1600 km/hr)

This video gives a fantastic show of how we travel in a vortex like pattern



From nano second to nano second our space time co-ordinates change, and we never occupy the same place twice.

The calculations needed to navigate from A to B in this universe are complex but not impossible.

It strikes me that inter-dimensional travel to a targeted location would be magnitudes more difficult.

john keels answer to this question is that the "cosmic trickster" isnt a civilization but a entity that ocupy all spaces in the universe (this one and possibly others) and can coe-exist at all time (this explains future predictions gave to witnesses)
 

Black Angus

Honorable
Some interesting stuff here too

In this article we construct and analyze new classes of wormhole and flux tubelike solutions for the 5D vacuum Einstein equations. These 5D solutions possess generic local anisotropy which gives rise to a gravitational running or scaling of the Kaluza–Klein “electric” and “magnetic” charges of these solutions. It is also shown that it is possible to self-consistently construct these anisotropic solutions with various rotational 3D hypersurface geometries

https://aip.scitation.org/doi/abs/10.1063/1.1467967
 

Gambeir

Celestial
Great post humanoidlord. Thanks for making the links. This may prove to be very significant.

From the first account;
Spring 1951
South Africa: Near Paarl Cape Town,

"We don't have any engines." Pointing at the levers, he said "We nullify gravity; that is how we rise." Asked how this was done, he answered that they used "a very heavy fluid" which circulated in a tube at near light velocity, creating a magnet. H M said such a speed was impossible. "No, it is simple," he replied, "when the fluid is leaving the tube, it is already entering the other end, thus its relative speed is infinite."
 
i have heard before that some of his predictions on element mass failed, is that true?
It was worse than that actually: it turned out that the mass predictions for the fundamental particles weren't mass predictions at all. Heim had created a table for a specific parameter to insert into his calculations, which was hand fit to produce the correct masses. So the claim of having a theory which could predict the masses of the subatomic particles from fundamental principles was completely bogus. And since that was the only feature of the theory which was interesting and new, everybody gave up n it after that, except for Hauser and Droescher, Heim's most loyal living adherents.

Great post humanoidlord. Thanks for making the links. This may prove to be very significant.

From the first account;
Spring 1951
South Africa: Near Paarl Cape Town,

"We don't have any engines." Pointing at the levers, he said "We nullify gravity; that is how we rise." Asked how this was done, he answered that they used "a very heavy fluid" which circulated in a tube at near light velocity, creating a magnet. H M said such a speed was impossible. "No, it is simple," he replied, "when the fluid is leaving the tube, it is already entering the other end, thus its relative speed is infinite."
That explanation doesn't actually make any sense. Think of a circular water pump: if the water is leaving the pump at 10 meters per second, and then re-entering the pump at 10 meters per second, the speed of the water flow is still 10 meters per second, not infinity.

Even the idea is nonsensical: nothing moves with infinite velocity. The fastest rate of motion known to science was the Big Bang, and although the rate of expansion was vastly greater than the speed of light, it was never infinite.
 

Gambeir

Celestial
It was worse than that actually: it turned out that the mass predictions for the fundamental particles weren't mass predictions at all. Heim had created a table for a specific parameter to insert into his calculations, which was hand fit to produce the correct masses. So the claim of having a theory which could predict the masses of the subatomic particles from fundamental principles was completely bogus. And since that was the only feature of the theory which was interesting and new, everybody gave up n it after that, except for Hauser and Droescher, Heim's most loyal living adherents.

Good to know.


That explanation doesn't actually make any sense. Think of a circular water pump: if the water is leaving the pump at 10 meters per second, and then re-entering the pump at 10 meters per second, the speed of the water flow is still 10 meters per second, not infinity.

Even the idea is nonsensical: nothing moves with infinite velocity. The fastest rate of motion known to science was the Big Bang, and although the rate of expansion was vastly greater than the speed of light, it was never infinite.

The material is accelerated and or decelerated throughout the entire lengths.

Forget infinite, do we really need infinite? I'll be happy with something approaching relativistic speeds. The question is how do we get to there from here? Then once we do that the next thing is how big does this have to be to become useful?

Disregarding other supposed problems which you've raised in this matter, accelerating a superfluid to relativistic speeds isn't the problem as electricity travels at nearly the speed of light, and so driving the superfluid should then be a somewhat straight forward concept.

However there is a choice to be made about which way is best to proceed; either the material is super~conductive and thus essentially repelled by a magnetic field by virtue of it's rejection of magnetic force, or the material is the heaviest and most paramagnetic super~fluid available and driven by electromagnetic force. IdeallyI suppose one would want a superconductive super fluid.


I've been thinking about this because from the things I've seen, and there really can be only two ways for those machines to operate that I'm aware of, either they can produce a gravitational field themselves or they can mass cancel, and I think that having been lucky enough now to see both saucers and a triangle it's both: The saucers are creating a gravitational field as described in the story, and triangle is doing mass canceling.
 
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humanoidlord

ce3 researcher
It was worse than that actually: it turned out that the mass predictions for the fundamental particles weren't mass predictions at all. Heim had created a table for a specific parameter to insert into his calculations, which was hand fit to produce the correct masses. So the claim of having a theory which could predict the masses of the subatomic particles from fundamental principles was completely bogus. And since that was the only feature of the theory which was interesting and new, everybody gave up n it after that, except for Hauser and Droescher, Heim's most loyal living adherents.
thanks, i only had researched it briefly a lot of time ago when i still held a ET view on the UFO phenomena
 

humanoidlord

ce3 researcher
That explanation doesn't actually make any sense. Think of a circular water pump: if the water is leaving the pump at 10 meters per second, and then re-entering the pump at 10 meters per second, the speed of the water flow is still 10 meters per second, not infinity.

Even the idea is nonsensical: nothing moves with infinite velocity. The fastest rate of motion known to science was the Big Bang, and although the rate of expansion was vastly greater than the speed of light, it was never infinite.
thats what i was talking about when i said much of what the UFOnauts say is nonsensical, though just the fact they mentioned what was obviously gravitoeletromagnetics to a peasant is staggering
 

humanoidlord

ce3 researcher
The saucers are creating a gravitational field as described in the story, and triangle is doing mass canceling.
and what about the cigars, the pyramids, the balls of light, the octagons and the other thousands of shapes reported over the years?
 

ImmortalLegend527

The Messenger Of All Gods old and new
I became intetedted in ufology becausrof the 4 white lights in triangular formation.In the middle of that triangle formation,on a cloudy night.The entity's opened up in the middle a worm hole...or an opening to another time and space.

Or those three beings that form the triangle are not beings at all but something mechanical that was made for worm hole travel.

Or maybe I'm wrong on both ends...but one thing that's facts.What ever those white lights are they have the ability to travel or to acomdate traveling as needed,to another time/place/Galaxy.

I listen to all these accounts and they all have the white lights in common in ones history.
 
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