Gene Steinberg's Financial Shenanigans @ Paracast forums

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UAPwatchdog

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I notice that Steinberg tends not to post his financial situation on the Paracast website these days. He probably does this because he catches hell from the posters. Instead he makes announcements on the TechNight Owl Live. Of the past ten Facebook posts of his, seven involve his ‘financial crisis.’

When will this guy learn? People are so turned off by this crap.

I think he saves The Paracast site as his ace in the hole. Not the most recent time, but the initial eviction earlier this year I think caught him completely off guard. He thought he had the gravy train set and could string the landlord on a little payment at a time. Then when it became immediately apparent he wasn't going to be able to pull that crap any longer, he freaked out and started posting it on the site, in the site newsletter, etc - until he lost his co-host.

You can definitely tell how dire things truly are when he does that stuff. The whole "if I don't pay, I have to go" stuff is the norm for him.
 

nivek

As Above So Below
What I don't understand is why any sane person would want to assist in this way as their own reputation (at the very least) will likely go down with the sinking ship that is Steinberg and the Paracast.

If they are really unlucky they could get ensnared in any legal action that occurs too. This is why I was surprised that Chris took so long to actually leave.

Anyway if someone wants to commit reputational suicide for so little that is their business.

That seems exactly what Randall has done in my view, committed reputation suicide by bedding with Gene...I figured at first yesterday he may just want to post on both sites, some people are members of multiple forums, but no he revealed his true intentions before the day was done...Now he's just a pathetic shill in my opinion, condoning everything Gene has done and will do whilst he is wearing that admin badge in an empty forum...

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nivek

As Above So Below
fwiw, and it's not worth anything, I did shoot him a e mail basically asking wtf? I offered my opinion with the rather cantankerous Don still purging people that offends him in the slightest it would be best to clear the air with nivek and others

I invited him here back in May but not knowing who Randall was or anything about him...I just saw that he had left paracast and figured he would not get in bed with Gene, surprise surprise...Apologies, I'm still annoyed with him for what he pulled here yesterday...

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goblin

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That seems exactly what Randall has done in my view, committed reputation suicide by bedding with Gene...I figured at first yesterday he may just want to post on both sites, some people are members of multiple forums, but no he revealed his true intentions before the day was done...Now he's just a pathetic shill in my opinion, condoning everything Gene has done and will do whilst he is wearing that admin badge in an empty forum...

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Only my opinion but I feel there's a chance he is making a common error, which is assuming Gene basically thinks and operates within parameters that Randall would recognize and could relate to.

Much evidence suggests otherwise; so much so that I have seen people speculate that Gene might be a sociopath, that he could be operating under some compulsion or addiction, or simply that he's a 72 year old man who has been taking advantage of others and practicing deception so long he knows no other way to go about things.

I don't know the reality but given the evidence and the kind of speculation that has arisen to explain it - that it's actually plausible to some Gene may be a sociopath or narcissist, for example - I think assuming Gene is just a well-intentioned guy who has simply gone about monetizing his podcasts in a hamfisted manner is a grave mistake.
 

GhostofBiedny

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I think assuming Gene is just a well-intentioned guy who has simply gone about monetizing his podcasts in a hamfisted manner is a grave mistake.

I agree and anyone who suggests that is either woefully ignorant or has no moral compunction.

Gene as been begging people for money for a decade at least and no sensible person could believe that a person could be in continuous financial crisis for that long unless they are being dishonest.

- That much would be clear even if Gene did not constantly contradict himself in his own emails, or contradict what was in public records for bankruptcy etc.

When David Biedny left the Paracast almost 10 years ago he made it quite clear that one of his reasons for leaving was due to the unprofessional and frankly unethical financial shenanigans that Gene had been pulling - basically asking everyone he met for money whilst clearly and unashamedly living beyond his means at the same time.

Biedny did not want to be associated with that sort of thing particularly when they were supposed to be running a podcast that pointed out and took conmen (like Billy Meir etc) to task over their dishonesty.

From what David said this kind of thing had been going on since he first met Gene (although like most people he had initially given him the benefit of the doubt) it became clear to him that this was just normal behaviour for his cohost and it was never going to end.

Add that to the fact that Gene contributed nothing to the show, guests had to be arranged by David and primarily interviewed by David. He was the one that read their books and came up with real questions.

All Gene did was count the breaks, make pointless jokes (that weren't even funny when they were invented in 1955) or interject with pointless unrelated trivia about pop culture or people he knew in the 1960s - none of which actually added to the show, if anything they made the show worse.

I doubt this was lost on most of the more intelligent guests being interviewed which made it all the more surreal when Gene would try to hit them up for money.

Anyway I think the use of the Paracast email list for begging from the listeners was the last straw for David. He just couldn't take it anymore so he left and made it quite clear why. This made him one of the original "haters" that Gene now refers to in his begging letters.

He tries to imply that one day David irrationally became a "hater" and started making up lies about him - the very same kind of "lies" that are a matter of public record and Gene's own email solicitations.

Now we have another co-host who has left for the same reasons and yet we have the same kind of "head in the sand" boneheads making excuses for Gene and happy to work with him.

As has been said previously begging strangers under false pretences for money is not an accident - especially in a wealthy western country.

It is not some novel way of raising money, it is fundamentally dishonest and likely a crime.

There have been many examples of people who have created fraudulent fund raisers for cancers or other serious illnesses they didn't have and have ended up in jail as a result of it.

For people in true need of help (particularly in a developed country) there are many charitable and government backed services that can help out.

The issue is that they will only help people out who are in real need.

They are not there to help out someone who refuses to budget and live within their means.

-That is why it so ridiculous when people point out services that may be able to help Gene with his problems - he does not care - this is not about someone in crisis, this is about someone who wants others to pay for his lifestyle.

There are also plenty of legitimate and lawful ways to monetise a podcast, taking advantage of people using lies and the constant threat of eviction is not one of them.

The only reason I can think for continuing the begging is the simple fact that few people are willing to pay for the utter garbage that the Paracast has become.

Patreon can be a great income streams for many podcasts but you need to have people who actually care enough about your show to want you to keep going.

Now that Chris has gone there is nothing of any value left.

Indeed, the adverts for survivalist crap, Big Berky water filters, garbage pseudoscientific supplements and the like are actually more entertaining than the actual show segments.

Also as others have stated Gene may be wanting to keep his begging off the records from the authorities. Maybe he does get a decent amount of money from it (why else would he persist) and he is not willing to share.

If he starts using a legitimate service like Patreon that will add a degree of transparency that he may not want.

If that is the reason then it is incredibly foolish because the tax authorities will catch up with him sooner or later and it will be another potential crime to add to the list (in addition to fraud and bankruptcy violations).

Anyway sorry for the long and perhaps rambling response but am pretty tired and will apologise in advance for any typos.

I just can't believe the empty headed people that think this whole thing is acceptable behaviour.

It's been going on for over a decade people!

The paranormal field has enough problems already, it does not need more panhandlers and conmen. The irony that the "gold standard podcast" is now a vehicle for it beggars belief.
 

Standingstones

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Steinberg has always had this attitude that I am right and everyone else is wrong. You only have to read some of his posts to find out his thought process.

I always thought this was weird or strange considering this guy was always one step from the poorhouse, by his statements. Even when someone made valid, correct points in some discussion, Steinberg would cut off further talk. 'Let's move on,' when someone pointed out he was dead wrong.

There has to be some fatal glaw in this guy's makeup. He also seems to attract sycophants to his causes. Go figure!
 

goblin

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I have thought he could likely have done something with Patreon at one time, but the transparency and accountability would have been counter to his program.
 

Black Angus

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For people in true need of help (particularly in a developed country) there are many charitable and government backed services that can help out.

The issue is that they will only help people out who are in real need.

They are not there to help out someone who refuses to budget and live within their means.

Another excellent and well and truly on target post.

Its been 12 years, the waiting lists for assistance cant be that long.

There is a Chinese proverb that goes like this.

Whats the best time to plant a fruit tree ? Answer: 20 years ago
Whats the second best time to plant one ? Answer: Today

There is simply no excuse that makes sense as to why he would still be "A day away from being homeless" 12 years later.
Its either personal incompetence of a breathtaking scale or its a lie.

Either way Do not give this man your money. Find someone in real need if you want to donate money.
 

Black Angus

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Well of course its at a standstill, The motel wont have much in the way of cooking facility's so its eat out for most meals.
Saving for a new apartment while paying a motel is like paying two sets of rent at once.
And his track record is he cant manage one rent let alone two.

But i still think this is the best option for all concerned, all he has to do is use his SS to pay for the motel, and make up any shortfall day to day by driving for Uber.

He is forced to pay his way on a day by day basis, which should be motivation enough to get out and earn what he needs

And the Motel will only lose a few days rent if he cant pay.
 

Black Angus

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There are more red flags in his claims than you would see at a communist party shindig.

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Why hasnt the son flown home and taken a job to support his parents ?
According to gene thats because no one will donate the money for his air fare. No joke he actually said that.

Does he not care they are about to be homeless any day now.......

Or does he know its all a steaming load of BS.

I did some math:
i looked for motels in arizona and found the bottom end at about 70 bucks a night.
But lets be conservative and say 60 a night. Thats 1680 a month, and he had that money last month to pay for the stay that in his own words has been a month long stay.
According to his bancruptcy forms he was paying $682 a month in rent

Surely it would have been cheaper to pay the rent than stay at a motel. He clearly has enough for the motel, thus he had plenty for rent.

It doesnt add up, fails the sniff test.
 
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Standingstones

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There are more red flags in his claims than you would see at a communist party shindig.

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Why hasnt the son flown home and taken a job to support his parents ?
According to gene thats because no one will donate the money for his air fare. No joke he actually said that.

Does he not care they are about to be homeless any day now.......

Or does he know its all a steaming load of BS.

I did some math:
i looked for motels in arizona and found the bottom end at about 70 bucks a night.
But lets be conservative and say 60 a night. Thats 1680 a month, and he had that money last month to pay for the stay that in his own words has been a month long stay.
According to his bancruptcy forms he was paying $682 a month in rent

Surely it would have been cheaper to pay the rent than stay at a motel. He clearly has enough for the motel, thus he had plenty for rent.

It doesnt add up, fails the sniff test.
That is what I posted previously. He should have ample money to rent an apartment even by his calculations and mine. As far as the son goes, I figured that he knew what crap his father was up to and didn't want to get bogged down in it.
 

Black Angus

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I know that's why I decided to quit there last summer (plus the problems with Mike, the admin guy who was a massive jerk).

Oh Hello Kit, aka Tyger at the Paracast.

Gee if gene knew you were posting such nasty stuff about him here, he might not like that..............

Same signature that you use here...........

Ottilie
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The virtue and perfection of cynicism is that you are rarely if ever wrong and never at all disappointed if you are.

The virtue and perfection of cynicism is that you are rarely if ever wrong and never at all disappointed if you are.
Tyger, Jun 25, 2018
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Black Angus

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Ottilie/Tyger:

Its funny how you accuse Bob of duplicitous behavior here and elsewhere.

All the above said be aware that Bob Watson is a moderator over on the AE forum - and was one when he was a moderator on the Paracast forum. In one breath he was supporting and defending Gene here and elsewhere, and in his next breath he was starting a Gene Steinberg thread on the AE forum bashing Gene. Direct questions posed to Bob Watson/The Shadow on that thread - asking him to explain himself - never got answered. Eventually he posted that he had resigned as moderator on the Paracast - but all questions put to him still remained unanswered.

I find the whole thing fishy and I for one decided to exit. I am the new member on the AE site with the posting moniker 'Ottilie'. I asked nivek to delete my account last night


Interesting, wasn't it? Still no answers being posted by Bob. But I'm more interested in how this whole thing got rationalized as a good idea to begin with - if one knows anything about what is going down on the Paracast Forums, and who is Gene's 'creature' and who is not. :huh8: Maybe nivek was not aware?



P.S. I am asking hard questions but this is a serious matter given how ugly Gene Steinberg gets when he is thwarted.

And yet you post away at the Paracast to this very day as Tyger. You seem to be happy to accuse Gene of being an "ugly" panhandler, yet continue to use his site.

Seems like hypocrisy to me. Lets see what else you've had to say about Gene, while happily posting away at his forum as recently as today..............

BTW do you have any idea why his panhandling ratcheted up so many notches since the fall? It seems to have been non-stop since last summer and that's new. He usually always allowed 'decent intervals' between appeals. Gone are those days. Something changed. People leaving off posting.....? Leaving the Paracast Forums? I know that's why I decided to quit there last summer

He thinks - or is saying he thinks - it has to do with all the internet chatter about him - but he's kidding himself: his begging has just caught up with him.

Bottom line he has to stop living outside of his means. No more fancy cars.

Nothing is being misrepresented. Gene is being directly quoted. He digs his own hole.

Again the threats, the intimidation, the forever bully when he doesn't get his way.
When you scam people, Gene, expect what comes.


This is not an insignificant concern given Gene's established belief that he is being denied his rightful income stream combined with his tendency to get ugly.

Your criticisms of Bob and Nivek here and elsewhere dont seem to be worth much imho


Accusing others of the dishonesty, you yourself are happy to indulge in.........Oh My......
 

Standingstones

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This website is a ‘Vast’ improvement over the Paracast. I spoke to some members before they left the Paracast. One guy left, who subscribed to the Plus, was banned by Steinberg for, you guessed it, calling out Steinberg for his money begging. That was too bad. He was a good member who had many valid viewpoints.

I’m sure there were many more people who left because of all the BS.
 

Ron67

Ignorance isn’t bliss!
I noticed there's been no activity on paracast from the illustrious new admin Gene appointed...Early this morning looking back on yesterday's drama when Gene's shill visited here or maybe better put, was sent here, it is obvious to me now his whole intention was to disrupt things here as much as he could knowing at some point I would pull the plug on that campaign of his...I apologize if I sound cynical but the man may be intelligent but he has no dignity to stoop to the level he played yesterday...Also some of you may not have seen another thread in the Science section but the shill went right after Thomas...During the afternoon yesterday whilst I was kind of watching his activities the shill went to the Funny Pics thread and was clicking awesome on all my posts there, perhaps as a diversionary tactic thinking I would let my guard down and think he was okay...I have to admit I was optimistic when he first joined but as yesterday progressed it becoming clearer how it was going to end...

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Thomas schooled him on the Paracast I was surprised to see him asking for another licking on here!
 

nivek

As Above So Below
Now we have another co-host who has left for the same reasons and yet we have the same kind of "head in the sand" boneheads making excuses for Gene and happy to work with him.

As has been said previously begging strangers under false pretences for money is not an accident - especially in a wealthy western country.

It is not some novel way of raising money, it is fundamentally dishonest and likely a crime.

There have been many examples of people who have created fraudulent fund raisers for cancers or other serious illnesses they didn't have and have ended up in jail as a result of it.

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I just can't believe the empty headed people that think this whole thing is acceptable behaviour.

It's been going on for over a decade people!

So many great points in your post, I quoted these because of Randall's recent escapade here...Randall definitely seems to have his head in the sand, then taking the admin role with Gene, looks like that sand has turned to concrete, he is stuck in there lol...

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nivek

As Above So Below
Oh Hello Kit, aka Tyger at the Paracast.

Gee if gene knew you were posting such nasty stuff about him here, he might not like that..............

Same signature that you use here...........

Ottilie
Adept
from West Coast
The virtue and perfection of cynicism is that you are rarely if ever wrong and never at all disappointed if you are.

The virtue and perfection of cynicism is that you are rarely if ever wrong and never at all disappointed if you are.
Tyger, Jun 25, 2018
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Ottilie/Tyger:

Its funny how you accuse Bob of duplicitous behavior here and elsewhere.

All the above said be aware that Bob Watson is a moderator over on the AE forum - and was one when he was a moderator on the Paracast forum. In one breath he was supporting and defending Gene here and elsewhere, and in his next breath he was starting a Gene Steinberg thread on the AE forum bashing Gene. Direct questions posed to Bob Watson/The Shadow on that thread - asking him to explain himself - never got answered. Eventually he posted that he had resigned as moderator on the Paracast - but all questions put to him still remained unanswered.

I find the whole thing fishy and I for one decided to exit. I am the new member on the AE site with the posting moniker 'Ottilie'. I asked nivek to delete my account last night


Interesting, wasn't it? Still no answers being posted by Bob. But I'm more interested in how this whole thing got rationalized as a good idea to begin with - if one knows anything about what is going down on the Paracast Forums, and who is Gene's 'creature' and who is not. :huh8: Maybe nivek was not aware?



P.S. I am asking hard questions but this is a serious matter given how ugly Gene Steinberg gets when he is thwarted.

And yet you post away at the Paracast to this very day as Tyger. You seem to be happy to accuse Gene of being an "ugly" panhandler, yet continue to use his site.

Seems like hypocrisy to me. Lets see what else you've had to say about Gene, while happily posting away at his forum as recently as today..............

BTW do you have any idea why his panhandling ratcheted up so many notches since the fall? It seems to have been non-stop since last summer and that's new. He usually always allowed 'decent intervals' between appeals. Gone are those days. Something changed. People leaving off posting.....? Leaving the Paracast Forums? I know that's why I decided to quit there last summer

He thinks - or is saying he thinks - it has to do with all the internet chatter about him - but he's kidding himself: his begging has just caught up with him.

Bottom line he has to stop living outside of his means. No more fancy cars.

Nothing is being misrepresented. Gene is being directly quoted. He digs his own hole.

Again the threats, the intimidation, the forever bully when he doesn't get his way.
When you scam people, Gene, expect what comes.


This is not an insignificant concern given Gene's established belief that he is being denied his rightful income stream combined with his tendency to get ugly.

Your criticisms of Bob and Nivek here and elsewhere dont seem to be worth much imho


Accusing others of the dishonesty, you yourself are happy to indulge in.........Oh My......

I thought there was something fishy about Ottilie back when she was posting here, I just couldn't pin it down, thanks for this...q37

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nivek

As Above So Below
This website is a ‘Vast’ improvement over the Paracast.

Its great to see this place grow and in a genuine way...

I spoke to some members before they left the Paracast. One guy left, who subscribed to the Plus, was banned by Steinberg for, you guessed it, calling out Steinberg for his money begging. That was too bad. He was a good member who had many valid viewpoints.

I’m sure there were many more people who left because of all the BS.

Did Gene refund his money?....Sorry had to ask lol, call it a rhetorical question...:Whistle:

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nivek

As Above So Below
Gene's choices over the years still leave me astounded. His Optima was repossessed so he purchased a new $28,000 Passant - at the time he was begging money and threatened with his eventual eviction, he was paying over $670 in car loans. His brother in law needed money after fraud and theft charges were brought against him, so he drained his account and took out loans to give to him.

During the time he was able to receive a $44,000 personal loan and several commercial loans. If these things did not help, clearly he needs something more than I could give.

It does not appear that the financial management course he had to take during his bankruptcy helped. He added Uber and Lyft, but rented a luxury, gated apartment he could not afford. He faced eviction but took no steps to pack and move his belongings - and then complained about the extra costs when the movers came. He wrote checks without any means of covering them - magical thinking or something else?

When facing moving costs he sent a June 28th email to past donors (presumably since my wife and each got one) he needed $400, then on July 5th a similar email stated he needed $800-1200. Is he making this up, or is he being taken by surprise?

A family member works with an organization that helps people manage their resources. Perhaps that is what a Gene needs.

I agree with the posts that asked how long he will be able to drive for Uber and Lyft - assuming he can get his car in order. And it's hard to imagine that begging creates a sustainable income.

I am one of the lucky ones who have a secure retirement short of economic collapse, but I know that aging can be difficult. I am sure he is looking into a bleak future unless he makes some changes now and takes appropriate steps. That seems unlikely.

Still, every time I get one of his emails I wonder about those who do not have the resources that the "Paracast LLC" provides. Who have social security alone. Or homeless seniors who really are living on the street. For that matter, I think about the flood victims who Gene promised to help.

Hello and welcomes to AE...q37

Apologies, I thought I welcomed you...:)

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Standingstones

Celestial
Its great to see this place grow and in a genuine way...



Did Gene refund his money?....Sorry had to ask lol, call it a rhetorical question...:Whistle:

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I don’t believe Steinberg ever gives refunds. Once you hand over cash, it’s gone forever. Once when the Paracast Plus was started, I sent Steinberg money for two Plus subscriptions for two members that could’t afford it. When that scumbag announced this, he made it sound as if he were making available these freebies from his own pocket.

He didn’t have to name me or pat me in the back. Instead he made it sound like he was doing a big favor for two members.

I thought my head would explode the way he handled things. No more largess from me after that episode.
 
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