Heavy Science. Time Travel.

So, if space is spiraling, and we are able to drive in a straight line down the center of the vortex of space time, we could take a shortcut, and arrive before our friends, who were passively riding on the Toroid?
I'm not saying that spacetime itself is spiraling. But if you were to look at a time-lapse exposure of, say, the Earth going around the Sun as the Sun orbits the galactic center, then the motion of the Earth would draw out a corkscrew shape. So when you look at the full 4D space + time reality, the Earth isn't a sphere, it's a 4D corkscrewing shape akin to the shape of a spring in 3D. It only looks like a sphere when the time component approaches zero.
 

Gambeir

Celestial
I entertained the thought, but a 40 ton Dinosaur is feasible with Earth’s gravity.

Was weaker gravity responsible for large dinosaur size?

The author here is what I would call a truth denier; picking out someone who he can attack: Constructing plausible explanations which validate his own corrupted science. Sounds familiar enough. Understand that perpetuating a myth, such a the wholesale claims of Einsteinian Physics, and which once more are used to support the contentions made by this supposed scientist, is in reality critical to keeping a false knowledge base intact, and which is used to keep the blinders on the population.

So it's a tempest in a tea pot this issue about gravity and dinosaurs, and so addressing this gaping hole is significant enough that it has to be addressed and not ignored as usual, because plugging this hole keeps the for profit education system intact, it keeps people from understanding fundamental truths about energy, and it keeps them tied to liars selling fake knowledge as their sole source of knowledge. Unfortunately that knowledge is corrupted and untruthful.

I don't have time to find the original source right this second, but originally this topic came about by way of research done at the University level by some professors who questioned whether there was enough muscle mass to allow a certain large dinosaurs to live and their conclussion was that there wasn't by a very large margin.

Muscle mass has the same relative power pound for pound in any species. That is, a pound of mice muscle is equal in relative strength to a pound of elephant muscle. On that basis a species such as a brontosaurs would have required nearly twice the muscle mass it did have.

There's no way around that problem other than to say that either gravity is variable, or that the mass of the planet itself has significantly changed over time, and this truth is a huge pain in the butt for people whose livings are dependent on continuing the perpetuation of the falsehoods which are found in the officially approved version of reality. Reason being that both a system of variable gravity without changing the size of the relative mass of the planet would obviously invalidate Einsteinian physics, and the system cannot allow that and neither can it allow the rather scary idea that our planet grows, and that energy and the soruces of energy which power the stars and our own geologically active planet are know but hidden, and the reason for that being obscured is that if you understood that you'd have free energy and flying cars and possibly homesteading on Mar's instead of paying on a 30 year mortgage for a shoe box in some hell hole housing complex with retarded homeowners 15 feet from your outside walls.
 
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Gambeir

Celestial

Remember when Bush announced the New World Order, well it's like that but for science. So you see, before black holes there was the black sun, not Nazi stuff but just a science fiction story, and then along comes Disney with their movie "The Black Hole."

The Black Hole sent a generation of scifi fans to hell.
https://film.avclub.com/the-black-hole-sent-a-generation-of-sci-fi-fans-to-hell-1798270862

Basically what I'm trying to say is that it's an invention. A false construct which signaled to the aware that the powers that be were going to take science to hell, along with all the believers in this... this... science, and that's pretty much what this movie is all about the: The hell that the powers that be were planning on creating for those who believed in this science. It includes artificial intelligence in robots. The final minute of the film is straight out of Dante's Inferno, but the devil is ....
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Dark matter and black holes are necessary constructs created to prop up the mistaken notion that gravity explained how our solar system and our galaxy worked when it was discovered that there just wasn't enough matter, hence gravity, to explain how it worked. So like magic we have dark matter, black holes, and other inventions of gothic horror. Kind of interesting that we later have the development of teen gothic worship huh?

Science is just like history, it's controlled and owned through the academia system which is owned and run as a for profit enterprise. Has little to do with factual truth over all. The powers that be have run these systems for hundreds if not thousands of years and can mold them to whatever they like. This is told to us through movies like Idiocracy where in the future the past history of the world is depicted as.....



So that's all this is, it's the claim that the UN un~nazied science with science. Snort~
See they can make anything be whatever they want it to be. This is how confident the powers that be are because they do it all the time and have since forever. First we had science without black holes, then we have science with black holes, first we have science with ether and then we have science without either. The UN create the reality don't ya see.

You realize they put a woman in her 90's in prison in Germany just for claiming that there was no holocaust~ Anyone who so much as challenges academically this garbage is burned at the stake. Black listed for sure.
 
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Gambeir

Celestial
Don't get me wrong, we owe a lot to Einsteinian Physics but we don't need to explain how our galaxy works with dark matter or dark energy as central to galactic rotation, because that is a factual lie which any real astrophysicist should realize. Problem is they can't say that because that means there's something wrong with you know what.

Ya know I'm just a normal guy and yet I've looked at the explanations and the notion that there is invisible matter holding the stars to the galactic core like spokes on a wheel is just positively absurd when countered with other rational explanations.
 
Don't get me wrong, we owe a lot to Einsteinian Physics but we don't need to explain how our galaxy works with dark matter or dark energy as central to galactic rotation, because that is a factual lie which any real astrophysicist should realize. Problem is they can't say that because that means there's something wrong with you know what.

Ya know I'm just a normal guy and yet I've looked at the explanations and the notion that there is invisible matter holding the stars to the galactic core like spokes on a wheel is just positively absurd when countered with other rational explanations.
This thread is about science. If you want to start a thread about alternatives to science, then please do so, because all of this "conspiracy of scientists to keep the public ignorant" railing, and frankly totally paranoid revisionist history that you're peddling here, has totally derailed this thread and offers nothing of relevance to discuss.

Black holes were first defined in 1916, then more thoroughly elucidated in 1958, and fully elucidated throughout the 1960s and beyond. The Disney movie The Black Hole didn't come out until 1979. So that entire stark-raving diatribe is a bunch of crap. And I don't know anyone who thinks that they're actually a hole - they're more accurately described as a black star. Sometimes dumb names just stick because people get attached to them.

Anyway, astrophysicists and theoretical physicists all around the world have been trying to come up with all manner of explanations for the dark matter effect - nobody's "turning a blind eye" to the problem in some misled attempt to "save" general relativity. Some scientists are looking at an explanation that involves weakly interacting massive particles (WIMPs), because that explanation provides the simplest and most effective method for replicating the flat galactic rotation curves that we observe, using very rigorous computer modeling techniques to chart the motion of stars in a galaxy in the presence of this kind of matter. Others are looking at modifications to general relativity and alternative metric theories of gravitation - so far those haven't succeeded, but they're still looking anyway, just in case. Others still are looking at quantum vacuum explanations, such as Dragan Hajdukovic's polarization of virtual gravitational dipoles mechanism (one of my favorites). All stones are being earnestly overturned to find the correct answer, and to prove it both theoretically and empirically. That's how science is conducted: it's competitive and adversarial, and the egos involved are way too big and passionately individualistic for this absurd idea of a sinister conspiracy to deceive the public with fake physics models, to be anything other than laughable.

If you can come up with a better explanation, then do it. But it won't be easy. Because in addition to explaining the dark matter effect to high precision, your new alternative theory will also have to replicate all of the stunning high-precision predictions of general relativity as well: gravitational time dilation and redshift, the deflection of starlight, spin-2 gravitational waves, the precession of the perihelion of Mercury - all of it. Because it's all been confirmed and now stands as observational fact.

It's easy to complain about the existing physics theories. It's hard to come up with better theories that offer the same predictive and explanatory power expressed in the elegant mathematical language of science.

So please, either put up or shut up. Or start a new thread about Nazi scientist conspiracy theories or whatever.
 
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Shadowprophet

Truthiness
If I can say something. Sometimes people will disagree, But, More so than science, Every thread is about community.
we should strive to harmonize and edify one another. even if we disagree. Disharmony is when we begin talking about Nazis and negativity, let us all consider for a moment, What benefits do we get from strife. Only bitter feelings. And what reward have we earned when we gain an enemy? I'm not saying people shouldn't disagree, I think that's what an open forum is for. But if any of us ever come to a point that our disagreements come to bitterness toward each other. Then we aren't doing something right. The truly intellectual individual on either side is smart enough not to smack the bear with a stick. We should all try not to worry about our egos. What are we protecting when we protect our egos anyway? Who here hasn't seen my ego destroyed completely on several occasion. Heck, It's a top ten favorite in some circles to see me fail. But, Anyone that can't take a punch in the nose, doesn't have the heart to truly debate. And I'm not calling out names, I'm just stating facts. Sometimes we get punched. That's where the old saying roll with the punches comes from If we don't roll with those punches. Those hits are going to hurt more than they were designed too.

We should chill out. And roll with those punches. Look at me. I've lost all respect and favor, from everyone, countless times for years, It's not something someone loses forever. We shouldn't be so prideful. Pride is a pointless emotion with little reward.
 

Kchoo

At Peace.
If I can say something. Sometimes people will disagree, But, More so than science, Every thread is about community.
we should strive to harmonize and edify one another. even if we disagree. Disharmony is when we begin talking about Nazis and negativity, let us all consider for a moment, What benefits do we get from strife. Only bitter feelings. And what reward have we earned when we gain an enemy? I'm not saying people shouldn't disagree, I think that's what an open forum is for. But if any of us ever come to a point that our disagreements come to bitterness toward each other. Then we aren't doing something right. The truly intellectual individual on either side is smart enough not to smack the bear with a stick. We should all try not to worry about our egos. What are we protecting when we protect our egos anyway? Who here hasn't seen my ego destroyed completely on several occasion. Heck, It's a top ten favorite in some circles to see me fail. But, Anyone that can't take a punch in the nose, doesn't have the heart to truly debate. And I'm not calling out names, I'm just stating facts. Sometimes we get punched. That's where the old saying roll with the punches comes from If we don't roll with those punches. Those hits are going to hurt more than they were designed too.

We should chill out. And roll with those punches. Look at me. I've lost all respect and favor, from everyone, countless times for years, It's not something someone loses forever. We shouldn't be so prideful. Pride is a pointless emotion with little reward.

Just my 2 cents-
Thomas is right about one thing.... there isn’t a better method yet, but scientists are trying...

So, give credit and realize we are really all into the idea of understanding. Yes Gambier, you too.

You all have done a good job of expressing your thoughts here.... and making each side clear. Gambier is quite provocative, but I like what everyone is saying here..., this whole discussion does have merit on all sides, and it is a pleasure to me to see the strength in the counterpoints...

This thread is VALUABLE from a sociological perspective, and the SCIENCE! WOW!
Nothing should be thrown out, but yes... shadow... you are right in that we need to strive to harmonize and share.

This board is as good as it gets for humans to try to adopt a collective mind... and still be open to new ideas, even after we think we are at a comfortable place, because complacency with status quo is actually stagnation of progress for anyone who s not open to understanding.

Thank you, all of you... I really appreciate your minds and the discussion here on this thread has been the best I have seen yet, from all sides... good work... keep striving for harmonious yet challenging discussions.

I have a lot of reading to do, just to catch up with Thomas’s links! I can hardly wait to give this thread the study it really deserves...

Now, everybody, go read all of his links, okay?.... let’s pause, and study this treasure trove y’all have constructed...
 

Shadowprophet

Truthiness
Just my 2 cents-
Thomas is right about one thing.... there isn’t a better method yet, but scientists are trying...

So, give credit and realize we are really all into the idea of understanding. Yes Gambier, you too.

You all have done a good job of expressing your thoughts here.... and making each side clear. Gambier is quite provocative, but I like what everyone is saying here..., this whole discussion does have merit on all sides, and it is a pleasure to me to see the strength in the counterpoints...

This thread is VALUABLE from a sociological perspective, and the SCIENCE! WOW!
Nothung should be thrown out, but yes... shadow... you are right in that we need to strive to harmonize and share.

This board is as good as it gets for humans to try to adopt a collective mind... and still be open to new ideas, even after we think we are at a comfortable place, because complacency with status quo is actually stagnation of progress for anyone who s not open to understanding.

Thank you, all of you... I really appreciate your minds and the discussion here on this thread has been the best I have seen yet, from all sides... good work... keep striving for harmonious yet challenging discussions.

I have a lot of reading to do, just to catch up with Thomas’s links! I can hardly wait to give this thread the study it really deserves...

Now, everybody, go read all of his links, okay?.... let’s pause, and study this treasure trove y’all have constructed...


Who is right in this situation?
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I've studied for a long time, particle physics. Quantum calculus. Subatomic physics. sometimes. It all comes down to people smacking each other with clubs. It's unnecessary. Believe me. That's a lesson, I would understand well.
 

Gambeir

Celestial
Just because one could use tensor theory to explain how, for example, the ARV operates doesn't prove that is how it operates. OK? That's not the scientific method. It is an explanation, one of possibly several, but that is not an idea entertained by the supposed wisdom of convention which claims it already knows all and that any contention to the contrary is ignorant as I've already been told. You cannot deal with arrogance of that magnitude politely, and it is fascism, so that's all there is to that.

Ya know there's an old Russian saying which goes like this: "If the boot fits you must wear it."

The scientific method is really about imagining. It's about imagining all the potentials that might exist to explain something, and then to search out if these exist. Once as many possible explanations as can be imagined are found then the next step is to see if these are workable solutions: There may be more than one solution ya know. It's not unknown.
Airplanes have wings, helicopters have rotating wings, and balloons have no wings, nor rockets, nor lifting bodies either.

What is known from astrophysics is rather straight forward and not a great mystery. It's only been made mysterious by a priestly class of mathematicians whom also claim they can explain everything and prove it with math but cannot help anyone, let alone be understood by almost anyone but whom are both arrogant and offensive nazi's who don't actually understand the most basic form of scientific inquiry is to investigate all avenues for their own value.
 
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Kchoo

At Peace.
Just because one could use tensor theory to explain how, for example, the ARV operates doesn't prove that is how it operates. OK? That's not the scientific method. It is an explanation, one of possibly several, but that is not an idea entertained by the supposed wisdom of convention which claims it already knows all and that any contention to the contrary is ignorant as I've already been told. You cannot deal with arrogance of that magnitude politely, and it is fascism, so that's all there is to that.

Ya know there's an old Russian saying which goes like this: "If the boot fits you must wear it."

The scientific method is really about imagining. It's about imagining all the potentials that might exist to explain something, and then to search out if these exist. Once as many possible explanations as can be imagined are found then the next step is to see if these are workable solutions: There may be more than one solution ya know. It's not unknown.
Airplanes have wings, helicopters have rotating wings, and balloons have no wings, nor rockets, nor lifting bodies either.

What is known from astrophysics is rather straight forward and not a great mystery. It's only been made mysterious by a priestly class of mathematicians whom also claim the can explain everything and prove it with math but cannot help anyone, let alone be understood by almost anyone but whom are both arrogant and offensive nazi's who don't actually understand the most basic form of scientific inquiry is to investigate all avenues for their own value.
Yes, and I think if you pay close attention, scientists know what you are saying is true, they just just don’t have a better model yet... keep pushing though Gambier... you are right from your perspective... but also conceed a bit and admit that GR is pretty f’ing awesome on its own merits. :Thumbsup:
 
If I can say something. Sometimes people will disagree, But, More so than science, Every thread is about community.
we should strive to harmonize and edify one another. even if we disagree. Disharmony is when we begin talking about Nazis and negativity, let us all consider for a moment, What benefits do we get from strife. Only bitter feelings. And what reward have we earned when we gain an enemy? I'm not saying people shouldn't disagree, I think that's what an open forum is for. But if any of us ever come to a point that our disagreements come to bitterness toward each other. Then we aren't doing something right. The truly intellectual individual on either side is smart enough not to smack the bear with a stick. We should all try not to worry about our egos. What are we protecting when we protect our egos anyway? Who here hasn't seen my ego destroyed completely on several occasion. Heck, It's a top ten favorite in some circles to see me fail. But, Anyone that can't take a punch in the nose, doesn't have the heart to truly debate. And I'm not calling out names, I'm just stating facts. Sometimes we get punched. That's where the old saying roll with the punches comes from If we don't roll with those punches. Those hits are going to hurt more than they were designed too.

We should chill out. And roll with those punches. Look at me. I've lost all respect and favor, from everyone, countless times for years, It's not something someone loses forever. We shouldn't be so prideful. Pride is a pointless emotion with little reward.
This isn't about pride, Shadowprophet - this is about truth and understanding.

I've spent my entire life studying theoretical physics and locking horns with the academic scientific establishment. At 17 I went to USC to study physics and found that everything in their libraries openly ridiculed the reality that I knew was possible - gravitational field propulsion - because I'd seen it with my own two eyes as a 7-year-old boy, which is what started me on this quest. All of the academic literature mocked and ridiculed that notion, which infuriated me and sickened me, because I knew they were wrong. So I've been coming at this stuff as an outsider for my entire life, and I've examined - and discarded - dozens if not hundreds of alternative physics theories that I've found online, because they all failed on empirical grounds.

This long and exhaustive adversarial relationship with the mainstream gradually yielded deep insight into the entire process of theoretical physics and its history. So at this point I understand how the current models emerged and why they reached preeminence. Their interpretation was sometimes short-sighted and outright incorrect, but I understand how these problems arose and became dogma. It's not because there's some enormous conspiracy to mislead the public for the last 100 years, as Gambeir insists. It's because scientists make honest mistakes, and can be misled just like everybody else by the intelligence agencies who wanted to bury the UFO enigma under a cloak of ridicule.

So I can forgive my adversaries along the way for their human frailty. They were doing the best they could do in the climate of their times. And they made great strides in understanding that we're all currently befitting from right now. So it angers me when their integrity is attacked from a position of complete ignorance. Great minds like Einstein and Feynman sacrificed their entire lives to help human understanding expand - they would never have perpetrated some huge hoax on the public, as Gambeir is suggesting here. They did the best they could, and they achieved great things for us. They deserve our respect and gratitude, not baseless and paranoid insinuations that egregiously impugn their character.

Just my 2 cents-
Thomas is right about one thing.... there isn’t a better method yet, but scientists are trying...

So, give credit and realize we are really all into the idea of understanding. Yes Gambier, you too.

You all have done a good job of expressing your thoughts here.... and making each side clear. Gambier is quite provocative, but I like what everyone is saying here..., this whole discussion does have merit on all sides, and it is a pleasure to me to see the strength in the counterpoints...

This thread is VALUABLE from a sociological perspective, and the SCIENCE! WOW!
Nothing should be thrown out, but yes... shadow... you are right in that we need to strive to harmonize and share.

This board is as good as it gets for humans to try to adopt a collective mind... and still be open to new ideas, even after we think we are at a comfortable place, because complacency with status quo is actually stagnation of progress for anyone who s not open to understanding.

Thank you, all of you... I really appreciate your minds and the discussion here on this thread has been the best I have seen yet, from all sides... good work... keep striving for harmonious yet challenging discussions.

I have a lot of reading to do, just to catch up with Thomas’s links! I can hardly wait to give this thread the study it really deserves...

Now, everybody, go read all of his links, okay?.... let’s pause, and study this treasure trove y’all have constructed...
I would be delighted if you read the papers I've provided. Somebody should do so. Because if we're not here to learn and expand our understanding, then we're all just wasting our time, and each other's.

I'm here to elucidate the truth and to seek real insight. I've devoted far too much time already patiently and rationally responding to false innuendos and wild conspiracy theories built on nothing more than willful ignorance and confirmation bias. Those efforts were a waste of my time, so now I'm out of patience.

This thread is about science, not idiosyncratic revisionist science history. Let's get back on track so we can start moving forward again.
 
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Shadowprophet

Truthiness
This isn't about pride, Shadowprophet - this is about truth and understanding.

I've spent my entire life studying theoretical physics and locking horns with the academic scientific establishment. At 17 I went to USC to study physics and found that everything in their libraries openly ridiculed the reality that I knew was possible - gravitational field propulsion - because I'd seen it with my own two eyes as a 7-year-old boy, which is what started me on this quest. All of the academic literature mocked and ridiculed that notion, which infuriated me and sickened me, because I knew they were wrong. So I've been coming at this stuff as an outsider for my entire life, and I've examined - and discarded - dozens if not hundreds of alternative physics theories that I've found online, because they all failed on empirical grounds.

This long and exhaustive adversarial relationship with the mainstream gradually yielded deep insight into the entire process of theoretical physics and its history. So at this point I understand how the current models emerged and why they reached preeminence. Their interpretation was sometimes short-sighted and outright incorrect, but I understand how these problems arose and became dogma. It';s not because there's some enormous conspiracy to mislead the public for the last 100 years, as Gambeir insists. It's because scientists make honest mistakes, and can be misled just like everybody else by the intelligence agencies who wanted to bury the UFO enigma under a cloak of ridicule.

So I can forgive my adversaries along the way for their human frailty. They were doing the best they could do in the climate of their times. And they made great strides in understanding that we're all currently befitting from right now. So it angers me when their integrity is attacked from a position of complete ignorance. Great minds like Einstein and Feynman sacrificed their entire lives to help human understanding expand - they would never have perpetrated some huge hoax on the public, as Gambeir is suggesting here. They did the best they could, and they achieved great things for us. They deserve our repsect and gratitude, not baseless and paranoid insinuations that egregiously impugn their character.


I would be delighted if you read the papers I've provided. Somebody should do so. Because if we're not here to learn and expand our understanding, then we're all just wasting our time, and each other's.

I'm here to elucidate the truth and to seek real insight. I've devoted far too much time already patiently and rationally responding to false innuendos and wild conspiracy theories built on nothing more than willful ignorance and confirmation bias. Those efforts were a waste of my time, so I'm out of patience.

This thread is about science, not idiosyncratic revisionist science history. Let's get back on track so we can start moving forward again.
Hear me though. You can only Give truth and understanding to those who seek it. What of those who do not or will not accept it? Do those people become less relevant in the proclamation of a universal truth? That's really the problem, Think about it, Thomas. I say this as a man who has been in this situation before. You have The version of Truth that you Back fully. The Volume of understanding you possess. That's the Frustration of the human condition. There is no Truth that will be universally accepted. Even among other leaders in the field of scientific discovery.

What I am Getting at Thomas isn't an intellect of the mind. It's something the heart learns. We have the power you and I. To harm people with our minds. But if we do that. then what Good are we truly doing. We must be softer in our delivery. And more patient with others. If we are not, Then we are not far removed from intellectual, Bullies.

We have to accept that some people will never see things our way. And respect them enough. To not intellectually Kick their ass for it. From the Heart Brother Thomas.
 

Kchoo

At Peace.
From the heart, comes understanding, patience and tolerance, from the mind comes the desire to find it.
 

Gambeir

Celestial
Yes, and I think if you pay close attention, scientists know what you are saying is true, they just just don’t have a better model yet... keep pushing though Gambier... you are right from your perspective... but also conceded a bit and admit that GR is pretty f’ing awesome on its own merits. :Thumbsup:

Oh no Kchoo. There are many models and competing ideas. That's neither here nor there really as far as I'm concerned. Einsteinian Physics is always going to exist, it's that some feel it's sacred and it is in a way, but I think its' claims are exaggerated, but possibly not as well, but we will never know either way with the resistance that is being given.

When I began my own inquiry in to the Flux Liner I knew absolutely nothing, or almost absolutely nothing, and today I now know that the the illustration done by Mark McCandlish is a workable print. Vague but workable. The physics of how this machine could possibly work can be and have been explained by Harold Puthoff for all practical purposes. Puthoff is widely known, highly regarded, you cannot get any better basically.
Harold E. Puthoff

This however claims that the energy requirements are so vast that such a machine is unworkable in the foreseeable future. That's very interesting since we have videos of these flying all over the place.

Now I've got enough experience to know when I'm being lied to. OK? Don't tell me when I'm looking at a video of an armed robbery at the local Wells Fargo that it's not you standing there with a pistol in your hands when I can see clearly it is you.

That's what this is all about. Either there is some part to this supposed theory that is missing or inaccurate, or there is something which is enabling the reality of these vehicles, or else the whole theory is itself a lie. It's has to be one of the three. There are no other possible explanations.
 

Kchoo

At Peace.
Oh no Kchoo. There are many models and competing ideas. That's neither here nor there really as far as I'm concerned. Einsteinian Physics is always going to exist, it's that some feel it's sacred and it is in a way, but I think its' claims are exaggerated, but possibly not as well, but we will never know either way with the resistance that is being given.

When I began my own inquiry in to the Flux Liner I knew absolutely nothing, or almost absolutely nothing, and today I now know that the the illustration done by Mark McCandlish is a workable print. Vague but workable. The physics of how this machine could possibly work can be and have been explained by Harold Puthoff for all practical purposes. Puthoff is widely known, highly regarded, you cannot get any better basically.
Harold E. Puthoff

This however claims that the energy requirements are so vast that such a machine is unworkable in the foreseeable future. That's very interesting since we have videos of these flying all over the place.

Now I've got enough experience to know when I'm being lied to. OK? Don't tell me when I'm looking at a video of an armed robbery at the local Wells Fargo that it's not you standing there with a pistol in your hands when I can see clearly it is you.

That's what this is all about. Either there is some part to this supposed theory that is missing or inaccurate, or there is something which is enabling the reality of these vehicles, or else the whole theory is itself a lie. It's has to be one of the three. There are no other possible explanations.
Thomas already said it IS inaccurate, or missing parts... that’s his frustration... and the fact that he has tried, gives credit to his validation that GR is strong Kung fu... it even kicks his butt too.., haha...
okay, enough...
A reading I will go, a reading I will go... hi ho the merry oh a reading I will go!
 
Either there is some part to this supposed theory that is missing or inaccurate, or there is something which is enabling the reality of these vehicles, or else the whole theory is itself a lie. It's has to be one of the three. There are no other possible explanations.
We've been over this Gambeir. This is the problem: we don't yet have a viable unified field theory that ties together the quantum physics of materials engineering, with Einstein's general theory of relativity.

Many brilliant minds, including Einstein, tried to unify these two theories. They failed. Hundreds of theoretical physicists today are trying to devise a valid unified field theory. So far, they too have failed. One day, somebody will succeed, and we'll have the critical mathematical tool that we need to exploit gravitational effects via quantum engineering.

I think that a key feature of this problem with unification is an incomplete understanding of the foundation of relativity, the special theory of relativity, and I'm working on a paper right now to correct that problem. If it gets published, then we can move foward and reformulate general relativity (GR) and, I hope, this new formula for GR will be the key to unification with quantum theory.

It sucks, but we're not there yet. Nobody's lying, there's no conspiracy, we're just in the midst of a long and arduous march of progress that will, one day (hopefully soon), unify our understanding of fundamental physics and fling open the door to a low-energy approach to gravitational field technology.

Hal Puthoff and Eric Davis are studying an exotic metamaterial sample right now, it seems. Their results may well be the key that we need to unify these two great physical theories (and perhaps solve some of the outstanding problems with modern physics as well). That's my hope anyway. Time will tell.
 
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Shadowprophet

Truthiness
Come on though, Does it even need to unify? Isn't the idea that it needs to unify just some sort of caveat to cater to OCD? It doesn't need to unify. Relativity works great, Quantum mechanics is doing fine on its own. I look at it in this way. Those people who absolutely need Relativity and QFT to unify are really just seeking it for reasons I could only assume are Vanity maybe. They don't need to work together. They are different theories for different models of the cosmos, Models that don't really need to match up.
 
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