Heavy Science. Time Travel.

spacecase0

earth human
Just click on the Name space and then a box will open and you can check ignore.
This is like trying to talk to a brick wall and just as helpful
I saw that you were still trying on this thread, so bothered to read it.
why would you bother trying ?
schooling is a horrible thing, not to mention academic inbreeding depression
you can't fight it, but that is an opinion I have based on much pain
so this thread brings all that back for me.
no disproof at all,
lots of debunking
no hint at testing anything in reality,
the few I have seen go back to assumptions of the results and not actual data collected.
even the few disproofs that show up are all math based with one point of view and test to back them up that other ideas match with entierly.

by the way, ever taken a class on "vernacular logic" ?
most people are pretty easy to mess with

seems clear to me that when reality challenges someone,
the truth is to be found in actual tests and not wrong assumptions with math as "proof"
totally ignoring good ideas and discounting week and clearly wrong ideas is not helping anyone
pretty sure this is the straw man argument
so, Gambeir, ignoring someone on a public forum is not going to help a truth seeker.
letting them get away with broken and selective logic is even worse.
 

Gambeir

Celestial
I saw that you were still trying on this thread, so bothered to read it.
why would you bother trying ?
schooling is a horrible thing, not to mention academic inbreeding depression
you can't fight it, but that is an opinion I have based on much pain
so this thread brings all that back for me.
no disproof at all,
lots of debunking
no hint at testing anything in reality,
the few I have seen go back to assumptions of the results and not actual data collected.
even the few disproofs that show up are all math based with one point of view and test to back them up that other ideas match with entierly.

by the way, ever taken a class on "vernacular logic" ?
most people are pretty easy to mess with

seems clear to me that when reality challenges someone,
the truth is to be found in actual tests and not wrong assumptions with math as "proof"
totally ignoring good ideas and discounting week and clearly wrong ideas is not helping anyone
pretty sure this is the straw man argument
so, Gambeir, ignoring someone on a public forum is not going to help a truth seeker.
letting them get away with broken and selective logic is even worse.

For shadowprophet and in hopes that maybe someone else will have enough courage to say what they think despite the allseeing eye's claims of complete knowledge.
 
I know I should be done with this thread.
and I want to be
but how is questioning reality,
then testing it not the scientific method ?
seems as if you have lost your fundamentals.
maybe go read the idea of the scientific method and get back to us
My objection to Gambeir’s hypothesis that the entire edifice of modern theoretical physics is a Nazi conspiracy to misinform the public and halt scientific progress is that it fails when tested, to even a modest degree. His portrayals of scientific history are flagrantly inaccurate, which I’ve demonstrated. And his allegations are contradicted by every piece of credible physics history that we know. He rejects all of the available credible facts and reason, and instead offers nothing more than a wooden sign for a curio shop which may or may not resemble a ufo, as proof of his hypothesis.

That’s the antithesis of scientific reasoning: cherry-picking, and confirmation bias. The scientific method requires an earnest effort to disprove your own hypothesis. He refuses to do that. So he’s not practicing science. He’s weaving baseless conspiracy theories that defy fact and logic. There’s a place for that kind of discussion elsewhere on these forums, but not here in a thread about science.

I also, the idea that math is not reality has been presented to you many times in this thread
you never address this when it threatens your math (not to be confused with logic, a larger topic that contains math)
Math is a simulation, like a virtual machine. It’s the only method for producing precise predictions from any model of reality so those predictions can then be tested observationally and/or experimentally.

That’s why it’s the language of physics – without it, you can’t test an idea with any level of rigor.

you only accept what you have been taught.
(that is called schooling, learning is something else entirely)
you have been presented with all kinds of ideas here.
you only accept the ones that suit you.

(that is called schooling, learning is something else entirely)
That’s untrue, and I’ve already explained both my lifelong adversarial stance with respect to the mainstream theoretical physics community, and the constant on-going research that I do to examine credible new ideas and to formulate my own.

You’re only accusing me of dogmatism because I don’t agree with ideas that fail at either the basic level of mathematical expression, and/or those which contradict the available and well-established empirical evidence. That’s critical reasoning, not bias or dogmatism.

now why has there not been any evidence as to how inertia can be messed with,
from your point of view, it is because all of it was removed from your schooling
from other points of view, how about the electrostatic charge of a pendulum inside a faraday cage of the same potential ?
that is just one of many
when you hide from anomalies you don't figure things out.
when you go look at them, you find reality.
You should’ve looked harder. You’re talking about an effect reported by Erwin Saxl in his 1964 paper “An Electrically Charged Torque Pendulum.” That experiment has been replicated on numerous occasions and it turned out to be experimental error: when the capacitance between the charged pendulum and Saxl’s inductive coil is accounted for, his results are easily replicated. When the capacitance is removed, the “Saxl effect” vanishes. Here’s one citation about it:

“Electrically Charged Torque Pendulum Experiment with a Null Result,” Jianguo et al.,Chinese Physics Letters, 1992

Here’s a freely available paper which describes the same null result and capacitance explanation:

“Test of Saxl's effect: No evidence for new interactions,” Liu et al., Physics Letters A, 1998

Like I’ve said previously, conducting a rigorous experiment is very difficult, and even trained physicists sometimes miss a simple experimental error like we see here. That’s why peer review and independent experimental replications are so important to the scientific process.

you started early in this thread with seemingly being annoyed with people that have never studied relativity (and potentially quantum physics, but I forget if you took issue with that)
you seem to have abandon that as of late
I studied it in great detail.
A lot of people study relativity. Fewer people understand it. And I’m not annoyed that most people have never studied relativity – I only get annoyed when people very strongly argue against it…without ever actually understanding it. That would be like me going to a surgeon to have a tumor removed, and insisting that using a scalpel is the wrong way to go about his job. The audacity of thinking that you know better than the entire theoretical physics community…without actually knowing what it is that you’re talking about, is mind-boggling to witness, and frankly, rather offensive, imo.

reading this thread it is clear you pick and choose what you reply to
Who doesn’t? I could spend all year responding to every little point that somebody has made in this thread. I choose to respond to the points that I find significant.

you pose ideas like someone that is skilled in rhetoric
a winning thing if running for public office, but clearly not someone seeking the truth.
That’s called an ad hominem attack, which is a logical fallacy. People generally do this when they can’t raise a rational argument against the points being made, and choose to attack the much easier target of someone’s personal character or behavior instead.

go pick the hard points, reply to them.
I already have.

like the idea that any simple math is unlikely to predict reality, or more critically so, if you have even one anomaly, you are sure your math is wrong.
GR and QFT aren’t described by “simple math,” they’re described by very advanced math. And the range and precision of their predictions are astonishing and well-documented.

And neither theory has presented an unambiguous anomaly, so I don’t know what you’re talking about. If you’re talking about dark matter and dark energy, as Gambeir likes to bring up, those don’t qualify as unambiguous anomalies because we don’t know whether they’re indicative of an incomplete theory of gravitation, or something else altogether – there are several viable explanatory contenders being debated and investigated right now. If it turns out that GR is incomplete, or needs to be replaced altogether, I'll be thrilled. But there's no compelling reason to make that assumption yet, and generally we need to have the correct answer before we can be sure about where we went wrong.

I give you an anomaly free version of physics, and you reply with the idea that it could take years to figure it out.
you might be correct,
but you gave no hint that you even read it once (takes a few hours)
much less taking notes and really trying to figure it out (takes a few days)
So you think that Wilbert Smith’s theory is free of anomalies. First of all, it’s agonizing to try to read because his writing style is incredibly ponderous. And second, there was hardly any math in there at all, so whatever he’s saying is clearly ill-defined and unfinished. And third, I've been extremely busy and setting aside a few days to gamble on a suspect book, on the off chance that it has something significant to offer, just hasn't been in the cards for me lately.

To properly evaluate the merit of his ideas would require formulating them into a cogent and precise mathematical theory so it could be used to generate precise predictions, which could then be tested. That would probably require years of dedicated work, if it can be done at all. It was up to him to do that work, not me. If you want to do it, then by all means have at it.

But I saw no reason in the first 10-20 pages to think that it would be a fruitful and worthwhile endeavor. I have far more fruitful directions to pursue, and I'm doing that. So I’ll do me, and you do you, okay?

in some way I do admire your point of view,
you have everything figured out, must be a very comfortable place to be.
makes sense that you would defend that point of view so much.
That’s absurd. I’ve pointed out until I’m blue in the face that we have yet to formulate a viable unified field theory, and the most exciting directions for scientific advancement are stymied by that major missing solution. Which I spend countless hours looking for and theorizing about.

So no, I don’t think that I or anyone else has it all figured out, and I resent your gross mischaracterizations of the myriad statements about this which I’ve made here.

I defend what is widely known and accepted on solid scientific grounds. But I’m the first to point out that the odyssey of theoretical physics is still far from complete. My point is that we can’t make progress when we spend our time debating the things that we already know, and which have been verified in many different ways through high-precision observation and experimentation.

you asked about hardware a while back
go look at that pendulum at high voltage first,
assuming you don't debunk it (for anyone that is not paying attention, debunking is an emotional attack on logic. disproof is quite another thing)
Okay then, I already disproved that. Unless you don’t believe in the results of rigorous experimental analysis.

I have more hardware to share if you are actually interested (but schooling dictates that you pretend to care long enough to figure out how to ignore it, if you were actually learning and testing the ideas, seems you would have said other things)
I’ll ignore the ad hominem attack buried in there. I’m a passionate advocate of experimentation. And I’ve previously asked you to share a description of your findings, because I’m always interested in promising results. If you’ve already provided a description of your work and your results, then I’d like to see the link. If not then you should start a thread about it so we can discuss it.

you should embrace the scientific method and stop defending your math so much.
(I fully expect you to pick apart the ideas presented here into sentences, possibly even words, after all, if you disprove a word here, the entire thing must be wrong.)
First of all, it’s not “my math” – I’ve only defended the theoretical work of greater minds than my own, because I’ve studied it in tremendous detail and I understand the mountains of verifying empirical evidence that supports that work.

And second, I’ve disproved Saxl’s experiment, so are you saying that the entire edifice of your argument must be wrong?
 
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Kchoo

At Peace.
I have read every one of the things you posted, things you hinted at, and many more than that
(you apparently made a wrong assumption there)

I have seen clocks (digital and hardware versions) tick off time very wrong when exposed to devices that were not powered by much power at all)
I have studied all what you say in detail. yet you accuse me of not doing so...
don't you see that you are the one that is open to new ideas ?
this entire thread is a repeat of what I went through at school
they denied what could be clearly shown to them
some even ran away (like as in physically run away and never come back)
at first was told that what I said could not be true,
when challenged further, was told that what I built should have never been built,
not that my interpretation was wrong of what was going on, just that I should have never built it...
and I pressed to topic, they were quite clear to the end, it should have never been built.
in the end it was proven that I was not a university, and had no standing to challenge the mathematical reality of schooled physics.
they had me there, I am not a university.
Please start your own thread or point us to a blog of your desriptions of what you have done, and how you did it... please please pretty please?
 

humanoidlord

ce3 researcher
Remember when Bush announced the New World Order, well it's like that but for science. So you see, before black holes there was the black sun, not Nazi stuff but just a science fiction story, and then along comes Disney with their movie "The Black Hole."

The Black Hole sent a generation of scifi fans to hell.
https://film.avclub.com/the-black-hole-sent-a-generation-of-sci-fi-fans-to-hell-1798270862

Basically what I'm trying to say is that it's an invention. A false construct which signaled to the aware that the powers that be were going to take science to hell, along with all the believers in this... this... science, and that's pretty much what this movie is all about the: The hell that the powers that be were planning on creating for those who believed in this science. It includes artificial intelligence in robots. The final minute of the film is straight out of Dante's Inferno, but the devil is ....
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Dark matter and black holes are necessary constructs created to prop up the mistaken notion that gravity explained how our solar system and our galaxy worked when it was discovered that there just wasn't enough matter, hence gravity, to explain how it worked. So like magic we have dark matter, black holes, and other inventions of gothic horror. Kind of interesting that we later have the development of teen gothic worship huh?

Science is just like history, it's controlled and owned through the academia system which is owned and run as a for profit enterprise. Has little to do with factual truth over all. The powers that be have run these systems for hundreds if not thousands of years and can mold them to whatever they like. This is told to us through movies like Idiocracy where in the future the past history of the world is depicted as.....



So that's all this is, it's the claim that the UN un~nazied science with science. Snort~
See they can make anything be whatever they want it to be. This is how confident the powers that be are because they do it all the time and have since forever. First we had science without black holes, then we have science with black holes, first we have science with ether and then we have science without either. The UN create the reality don't ya see.

You realize they put a woman in her 90's in prison in Germany just for claiming that there was no holocaust~ Anyone who so much as challenges academically this garbage is burned at the stake. Black listed for sure.

this sounds very disrespectfull to @Thomas R. Morrison and you still haven't answered the question of how was relativity debunked
 
This is interesting: I caught some of C2C AM last night as they interviewed David Alzofon, the son of a respected professional scientist named Dr. Frederick Alzofon, who apparently came up with an intriguing new model of quantum gravity with accessible technological applications. It seems that in 1994 he tested his theory in the lab and got a positive result, but that data was never published.

I'm kinda surprised that I've never heard of this work before; perhaps somebody here has some familiarity with it.

Dr. Alzofon wrote and published some papers about his theory, and it seems he found that his theory could replicate the many successful prediction of general relativity, while also giving it an entirely new quantum mechanical explanation that's well-suited for experimentation with existing technology. Unfortunately the only paper which isn't pay-walled only gives a rather cursory overview of the mechanics of the theory:

"A 'new and simple idea,' dark matter-energy and the crisis in physical theory," Frederick E. Alzofon

And here are the papers that are behind a paywall - at least some of them have abstracts:

“Anti-gravity with present technology – Implementation and theoretical foundation”, Frederick E. Alzofon, 17th Joint Propulsion Conference, 1981

"The Unity of Nature and the Search for a Unified Field Theory," Frederick E. Alzofon, Physics Essays, 1993

“The Alzofon Papers: Gravity Control,” Frederick E. Alzofon, Electric Spacecraft Journal, 1994

Digging a little deeper I found this blog post which offers an engaging exchange between David Alzofon on his facebook page:

Alzofon - to gravely go - Revolution-Green

And here's his website:

Gravity Control

This seems to merit some further research, so I figured that I'd post about here for anyone who's interested. If his theory really does replicate the verified predictions of general relativity, and if it's valid, then it would offer a means of manipulating time and gravitation using modern technology. But it's going to take a close look before I can determine if those claims are legit.
 

nivek

As Above So Below
And here's his website:

Gravity Control

This seems to merit some further research, so I figured that I'd post about here for anyone who's interested. If his theory really does replicate the verified predictions of general relativity, and if it's valid, then it would offer a means of manipulating time and gravitation using modern technology. But it's going to take a close look before I can determine if those claims are legit.

I wonder how this will stand with the discoveries or soon to be discovered properties of the meta-materials, especially the one alleged to warp space-time...

...
 

nivek

As Above So Below
Has anyone seen this movie on time travel?... @Thomas R. Morrison turned me on to it, I've watched it a couple times now, its an excellent movie on a low budget...

Primer (2004), this is the full movie:

 

AlienView

Noble
Time travel 101 for Humans - Wake up and see it happen.

You are engaged in time travel in every existent second that you exist - It only stops with death, and that is only for you - The Universe itself continues to travel into the future as it always has since the so called
'Big Bang' which in fact was the only time 'now' existed- Since then there has never been a moment of now,
in real time now passes instantly and it is an illusion that Man has and can be written on paper
- but reality says it can't exist. You can not stop the universe, it is relentless and follows a steady line into
the future.

But you are given an ability to observe and in a sense, slow down this time as you observe it {remember
the 'the observer effect' proven to exist in physics] - Of course that phenomena is relative - But even though
time moves in only one direction, its speed may be altered, but I will not speculate right now on whether
the speed of light itself can be altered ?

With now, and the past, being only memories of past events - You can not go there {sure you could watch
a movie or photos from the past, but you can not go there}

But don't fret - As a Human you have an almost infinite future to explore
- And as computational power increases and quantum computers become a fact of life
- You will find you can in fact travel into the future

We will be pleased to meet you - Some of us are like you - Others are very different x39


NOTE: The last two statements are hypothetical - And may or may not have a basis in fact.
Still according to Everett's 'Many Worlds' theory - All possibilities are real!
 
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