Bridge Collapse in Italy

Toroid

Founding Member
Dozens of people killed when a bridge collapsed in Genoa, Italy.
Genoa bridge collapse: Dozens feared dead in ‘apocalyptic scene’ | Daily Mail Online
At least 30 dead after huge section of Morandi bridge suddenly collapsed during fierce storm in Genoa, Italy
  • Cars and trucks fell 300ft at 11.30am today as one witness described the carnage as an 'apocalyptic scene'
  • Officials fear there are 'dozens dead' in the 'immense tragedy' and there are also fears of gas pipe explosions
  • Bridge was built on the A10 toll motorway in northwestern Italy in the 1960s and was undergoing repairs

www.youtube.com/watch?v=bci9r-9Nz-Y
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Toroid

Founding Member
The bridge was in extreme disrepair prior to the collapse.
Photo shows Genoa bridge 'crumbling' weeks before it collapsed | Daily Mail Online
At least 39 dead after huge section of Morandi bridge suddenly collapsed during fierce storm in Genoa, Italy
  • New photos taken just weeks before the tragedy shows it crumbling with wires hanging from its sides
  • Victims' families and government ministers demand that those responsible pay for their actions
  • Cars and trucks fell 150ft at 11.30am as one witness described the carnage as an 'apocalyptic scene'
  • Bridge was built on the A10 toll motorway in northwestern Italy in the 1960s and was undergoing repairs
Image of the bridge weeks before the collapse.
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nivek

As Above So Below
I cannot understand the reasoning behind letting that bridge fall into ruin like that and on top of it keep it open for people to drive across...This goes beyond ignorance, the bridge authorities must be held accountable...

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Toroid

Founding Member
I cannot understand the reasoning behind letting that bridge fall into ruin like that and on top of it keep it open for people to drive across...This goes beyond ignorance, the bridge authorities must be held accountable...

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There could be a false flag logic behind the event. It could have been beyond repair.
 

AD1184

Celestial
I do not see anything obviously wrong on in the before pic. Is there a picture of how the span is supposed to look?
 

nivek

As Above So Below
I do not see anything obviously wrong on in the before pic. Is there a picture of how the span is supposed to look?

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AD1184

Celestial
Hello and Welcome to AE...q37

Glad you found us AD1184, its great to see you again...:happy8:

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AD1184

Celestial
Welcome to AE. There's cables hanging from the bridge in post 2 before the collapse.
Those cables are not structural to the bridge. The bridge is not held up by those cables, or indeed any steel cables in this design. The bridge is suspended by pre-stressed concrete stays from the pylons.
 

AD1184

Celestial
At 2:45 into the video she said it required extensive maintenance and work to shore-up the bridge's foundation was underway when it collapsed.
The bridge has undergone almost continuous structural works since it was built (apparently not very well) and it has probably outlived its original design life. The design itself is fairly dangerous. Using a small number of pre-stressed concrete stays, as opposed to many steel cables, is asking for trouble. It is apparent that it is one of the stays which failed, leading to the collapse of one of the pylons and two decks. The Wikipedia page says that the stays on another pylon (not the one that collapsed) were modified to be flanked with steel cable in the past.
 

nivek

As Above So Below
Hi Nivek. I think you might have sent me a link to this place back at Alien Hub just before you left. I had meant to visit but the administrator spitefully deleted all your PMs at the same time so I lost the link.

Indeed I did and indeed he did...I offered to purchase Alien Hub from him after it shut down, he ignored my offers, we have a better place here though...

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AD1184

Celestial
Reinforced concrete does not have the lifetime that was originally supposed during the postwar period when such structures proliferated. The Wikipedia entry for the Morandi bridge in Genoa suggests that the concrete properties were not fully accounted for in the design and led to the earliest diffculties requiring maintenance works not long after the brige was first built.

Making the bridge stays out of reinforced concrete seems like a really risky design choice. It might appear elegant, to those enamoured with concrete, but it is questionable to use them on a busy road bridge that is going to remain in place for more than five decades. And it is also negligent of the authorities to allow such a structure to remain in place for so long without planning a replacement.

Reinforced concrete has a lifetime of between 50 and 100 years. It should conservatively be judged at the lower end of this estimate for such an application (and if it turns out to be a reinforced concrete stay that failed and led to the collapse, that would indeed be correct: it only just managed to reach fifty years).

Almost all modern buiding construction globally uses this material and it is all going to have to be demolished and replaced within that sort of timescale. It seems incredibly short-sighted to use it for construction. It might be cheap, but the smaller initial outlay hides a much greater cost down the line, because the buildings are not going to last.

It incurs a massive energy cost to produce, but we are going to have to stop using it regardless of whether the construction industry makes the choice or not. The global supply of sand suitable for use in concrete is diminishing and its price is steadily rising. The Middle East, which is undergoing a construction boom, has to import sand from Australia because its own sand is unsuitable. But manufacturers are scouring riverbeds and devastating ecosystems to try to make up for the shortage.
 
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