Gene Steinberg's Financial Shenanigans @ Paracast forums

GhostofBiedny said:

True to form Gene is starting to turn on the new poster asking about Patreon and we have the expected excuse why he won't be joining.

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Of course being the pompous, patronising and entitled prick that he is, he has to continue to be rude. You can also see the wheels of paranoia turning in his head.

"How dare this guy suggest anything to me other than sending me money! I knew Jim Mosely. Only a hater would have the nerve to speak to me like this knowing the pivotal role I've played in knowing various people in Ufology 50 years ago. I won't tolerate this kind of harassment."

Very shortly this guy will be banned too. His posts will be deleted and Gene will have posted that "another troll" has been banned or "spammed" as he likes to say. For someone in alleged "dire straits" he takes undue pleasure in persecuting others that are simply trying to help.

He is his own worst enemy. No wonder nobody is on the forum anymore.

There was a time I felt sorry for him but not any more. He is the agent of his own demise. If there is a sword of Damocles hanging over him all he does is gnaw on the rope.

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Some time ago, Gene on the forum asked for suggestions on how to improve the Paracast. To make a story short, he received many many logical intelligent responses. He denied every single one. All Gene wanted was someone to do everything for him FOR FREE. Otherwise, he was not interested.

Gene's response in the Paracast thread to the question about whether he was aware of his brother-in-laws legal problems when he solicited on Stephen's behalf is telling:

The solicitations often mentioned that he had confronted legal issues. The family also believed him when he said he was innocent, and his troubles were all due to the machinations of the rich woman with whom he had a falling out on a business matter. He went into very deep detail of what he said really occurred.

Let's leave it at that. He died four years ago. Let him rest in peace regardless of what he did.

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I hope that Stephen is able to rest in peace, but Gene again fails to acknowledge his actions and take responsibility for what he has maintained over the course of years.

Through it all, Gene never mentioned that Stephen faced fraud and theft charges, that he pleaded out and was subject to massive restitution fines. Gene maintained that his brother in law had a settlement - that the settlement was real - but it could not be resolved before Stephen's death. Gene does not mention how he shielded Stephen by taking ownership of the business. He does not acknowledge that his family defamed the victim. Sadly, he does not apologize for any of this.

Gene states that the family believed that Stephen was innocent - but that is a different story than maintaining that Stephen was due a large settlement that would solve everything. Where did that story come from? Why did Gene stick to that story from 2010 through 2018? And what does that say about Gene's character and credibility?

Gene: Stephen can only rest in peace when you take responsibility for your actions, your false statements, and the way that you used his situation to justify your solicitations.

This fake me is doing a way better job of getting Gene to speak publicly that I would have.

He’s either completely deluded or a pathological liar.He says he has nothing to apologise for and that it is he who awaits apologies!Stephen had a sad and painful life!!.Not as sad and painful as his victims!

I’ve just posted this.

This was illuminating. I did not want to write things behind Gene's back. So I asked him some of the questions I have had:



In response, Gene wrote:



It's Gene's forum. I'll let him have the last word there. I don't see much need to unpack his statement here, but I will say this.

I might have drawn the line a lot tighter when Stephen was charged with 13 counts of theft and frauded, and after he entered a guilty plea in a plea bargain. I probably would not have drained my retirement, Grayson's college savings, and taken out loans I could not repay. Taking Gene at his word, though, I respect that he wanted to help his family.

Still, did Gene cross the line when he asked for money without revealing the full story? Perhaps Gene forgot that an email attributed to his son falsely described the victim and the situation:

An elderly woman with millions of dollars in the bank and time on her hands has been harassing them relentlessly because of a failed financial deal. Her actions are completely unjustified. The matter has gone through several federal and state court actions, and my family has won every time. Yet this woman won't give up, and her actions have deprived my cousin of his disability insurance, and left his parents destitute. Creditors are constantly hounding them and they are on the verge of becoming homeless.

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It is possible that Gene was another victim of Stephen's and simply repeated what he was told about a settlement. Yet, even if Gene somehow did not realize that Stephen had lied to him until recently, then an apology is still in order.

He asked for money under what turned out to be false pretenses. His family attacked the victim. He left most of the story untold - perhaps because he realized that people would not give to help a felon who was subject to a massive restitution order.

Even if Gene did not know all of the story at the time - even if he mistakenly believed Stephen - the moral response would be to apologize for having misled people. It does not matter that Gene thought he was being the good guy or that he believed Stephen. Is he sorry for his actions in light of what he now knows for certain?

Until he understands that, I see no need to write him again about the many questions that were raised by his bankruptcy. There were matters there that should have led him to apologize - asking for money while spending large amounts each month on a new car is just the tip of that.

Gene, take responsibility for your situation. Then we'll talk.

This seems different than normal. He usually shuts these down but for whatever reason he's letting it go. Maybe he's sick of doing this and realizes time is up? Probably not, but this still feels different.

erickson said:

This was illuminating. I did not want to write things behind Gene's back. So I asked him some of the questions I have had:

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In response, Gene wrote:

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It's Gene's forum. I'll let him have the last word there. I don't see much need to unpack his statement here, but I will say this.

I might have drawn the line a lot tighter when Stephen was charged with 13 counts of theft and frauded, and after he entered a guilty plea in a plea bargain. I probably would not have drained my retirement, Grayson's college savings, and taken out loans I could not repay. Taking Gene at his word, though, I respect that he wanted to help his family.

Still, did Gene cross the line when he asked for money without revealing the full story? Perhaps Gene forgot that an email attributed to his son falsely described the victim and the situation:



It is possible that Gene was another victim of Stephen's and simply repeated what he was told about a settlement. Yet, even if Gene somehow did not realize that Stephen had lied to him until recently, then an apology is still in order.

He asked for money under what turned out to be false pretenses. His family attacked the victim. He left most of the story untold - perhaps because he realized that people would not give to help a felon who was subject to a massive restitution order.

Even if Gene did not know all of the story at the time - even if he mistakenly believed Stephen - the moral response would be to apologize for having misled people. It does not matter that Gene thought he was being the good guy or that he believed Stephen. Is he sorry for his actions in light of what he now knows for certain?

Until he understands that, I see no need to write him again about the many questions that were raised by his bankruptcy. There were matters there that should have led him to apologize - asking for money while spending large amounts each month on a new car is just the tip of that.

Gene, take responsibility for your situation. Then we'll talk.

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I will admit it gave me pause, the thought that Steve Beizer may have been duping Gene up until his end. But then why has Gene continued to repeat the untruths about the settlement and the 'vindictive old woman'?

And I'm sorry for Gene if he truly did empty out his savings (still hard for me to credit that he ever had anything like $200,000...) but he's had years and years to recover from that, and has persisted in completely dysfunctional and deceptive behavior with his routine begging. I am skeptical that all of the loans in his bankruptcy filing were for the benefit of the Beizer family.

Even now he's the victim (his last four landlords may disagree), everyone else is wrong - he owes no apologies, everyone must apologize to him. He thinks he has a defamation case, and I will guarantee you the only way to really help him is by handing him cash - until his revamped site solves everything for him I suppose.

I can appreciate Gene has a lot of emotion tied up in this stuff. It's as personal as it gets. But he needs to recognize appealing to people's emotions for donations has consequences for them, too, particularly when they later feel taken advantage of.

Looks to me like the Forum Super Hero has deleted the thread. I was actually 'liking' posts on it when he did so. Back to business as usual I guess.

NotSteveySteveySteve said:

This seems different than normal. He usually shuts these down but for whatever reason he's letting it go. Maybe he's sick of doing this and realizes time is up? Probably not, but this still feels different.

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It did seem different; I was just 'liking' your last post there when the whole thread went poof courtesy of Gene Steinberg, Forum Super Hero.

Oh well.

At least some people said what they think to him, I would say most of if in the spirit of trying to actually be helpful. Just nothing he wanted to hear I guess.

Beyond The Star Gate said:

Hey! I am a pretty spiffy looking old fart. Middle aged divorcees chat me up all the time until I flash my wedding ring. LOL I recently went to a gathering of people my age and thought "Who are all these old people?" My therapist and I are working on my denial of reality......By the way, I am 7 years younger than Gene which seems to amount to a gigantic generational shift. I was listening to Jimi Hendrix as a kid and he was listening to Pat Boone. View attachment 3605

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Listening to Jimi as a kid ? I'm 60 , and still listening...

goblin said:

the whole thread went poof courtesy of Gene Steinberg, Forum Super Hero.

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Super hero my ass, he has not one ounce of that level of integrity...

If I was a gambling man, which I'm certainly not, I would have bet by sunrise that thread would be gone, and well, BINGO...Maybe he's hitting the casino early this morning...

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erickson said:

This was illuminating. I did not want to write things behind Gene's back. So I asked him some of the questions I have had:

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In response, Gene wrote:

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It's Gene's forum. I'll let him have the last word there. I don't see much need to unpack his statement here, but I will say this.

I might have drawn the line a lot tighter when Stephen was charged with 13 counts of theft and frauded, and after he entered a guilty plea in a plea bargain. I probably would not have drained my retirement, Grayson's college savings, and taken out loans I could not repay. Taking Gene at his word, though, I respect that he wanted to help his family.

Still, did Gene cross the line when he asked for money without revealing the full story? Perhaps Gene forgot that an email attributed to his son falsely described the victim and the situation:



It is possible that Gene was another victim of Stephen's and simply repeated what he was told about a settlement. Yet, even if Gene somehow did not realize that Stephen had lied to him until recently, then an apology is still in order.

He asked for money under what turned out to be false pretenses. His family attacked the victim. He left most of the story untold - perhaps because he realized that people would not give to help a felon who was subject to a massive restitution order.

Even if Gene did not know all of the story at the time - even if he mistakenly believed Stephen - the moral response would be to apologize for having misled people. It does not matter that Gene thought he was being the good guy or that he believed Stephen. Is he sorry for his actions in light of what he now knows for certain?

Until he understands that, I see no need to write him again about the many questions that were raised by his bankruptcy. There were matters there that should have led him to apologize - asking for money while spending large amounts each month on a new car is just the tip of that.

Gene, take responsibility for your situation. Then we'll talk.

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Are you being the good guy when you expect to get paid back with interest? Isn't that just what banks do? I dunno man.

And then you are seemingly bitter forevermore when in fact you do not get paid back. Something to consider.

So word is spreading some, I received this link in an email from someone I don't know, thought I'd share it...

Your so close, so very close, not - who doesn't like aliens

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Anyone who has had dealings with Steinberg knows exactly what kind of person he is. At this late date he will never change. Frankly, I don't have an ounce of sympathy for him.

By all accounts Gene's begging for money has gone on for at least fifteen years. How long does it take to get your house in order? I really do hope that the photo of Steinberg at a casino shows up online. Then everyone who donated to his scamming can see where their hard earned money went.

goblin said:

I will admit it gave me pause, the thought that Steve Beizer may have been duping Gene up until his end. But then why has Gene continued to repeat the untruths about the settlement and the 'vindictive old woman'?

And I'm sorry for Gene if he truly did empty out his savings (still hard for me to credit that he ever had anything like $200,000...) but he's had years and years to recover from that, and has persisted in completely dysfunctional and deceptive behavior with his routine begging. I am skeptical that all of the loans in his bankruptcy filing were for the benefit of the Beizer family.

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There is absolutely zero possibility of this. Gene was intimately involved in Numis Gems. The records show he had various roles. There is no way he could do that without knowing what was going on.

It is also interesting that he says he later took on roles in the brother in law's new businesses because the BIL was barred from running a business due to his crimes. Isn't this an admission of law breaking? He facilitated a person who had been banned from operating a business due to criminal activity in the past by allowing him to use his name. It is fraud at the very least.

Let's not also forget that he brought the slimy slug onto the Paracast (again under false pretences) to advertise said new business too. At no point did he reveal it was his brother in law either. He was treated as a legitimate guest rather than the whole show being an advertorial for the newest scam.

I also find it inconceivable that Gene knew nothing of the BIL stealing from his dying father in law. Let's say somehow he didn't realise what was happening - as soon as the court case happened all of it would have been revealed. This is perhaps the most disgusting part of the whole scam and Gene has never even mentioned it let alone shared any remorse.

I think it is even worse than the vilification of the woman who lost the 200K that Gene carried out numerous times. It seems she was at least in her right mind. The FIL was suffering from dementia and dying. How anyone can do that is a mystery to me.

The 200K also never existed - it is interesting that it is a very close to the restitution figure that Bezier was asked to pay (incidentally this was never actually paid). I suspect Gene saw an opportunity to use the figure that his BIL had to pay as an excuse to solicit donations - or maybe the BIL said he would snitch on Gene if he didn't help raise the money. No way would Schemey tolerate jail time.

All Gene's action so far have shown that he cares only for one person and that is Gene Steinberg. Even his son means so little to him that he is happy to use his name to destroy his credit record.

Therefore I have absolutely no sympathy for this pond scum of a human.

Exactly as I suspected the whole thread that was questioning him is now gone. This scumbag does not want to answer any questions because he knows there is no way to put a good spin on any of this.

Who knows how many lives have been destroyed by this manipulative weasel and his similarly inclined relatives. The only sympathy I have is for the victims.

Standingstones said:

Anyone who has had dealings with Steinberg knows exactly what kind of person he is. At this late date he will never change. Frankly, I don't have an ounce of sympathy for him.

By all accounts Gene's begging for money has gone on for at least fifteen years. How long does it take to get your house in order? I really do hope that the photo of Steinberg at a casino shows up online. Then everyone who donated to his scamming can see where their hard earned money went.

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You feed stray cats and they keep coming back because it works

Gene Steinberg is full of shit. Whatever blather he posts to try to twist the facts is just more bullshit. He has an endless supply. Anyone who reads the court records posted at Jack Brewer's blog knows the real story, if not the whole story. It is an ugly, nasty story and Steinberg comes out looking very bad no matter how you slice it. I'm sure there is more, and I'm sure it's even worse.

I have no sympathy for the prick. I don't care if he is menatlly ill, he's still a prick.

goblin said:

Last Podcast on the Left

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Good stuff there. Hail yourself!

pigfarmer said:

Good stuff there. Hail yourself!

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Hail Gein!

Wait the thread is gone? Did someone say something that put it over the top or did Gene just decided he had enough? I really don't think he deserves the benefit of the doubt here, he may have been duped by BIL but he still victim blames.