My pivotal moment in ufology

Thunder_Bull45

Native Injunuity
So I usually start my stories with a “no crap there I was” but due to the seriousness of this event in so far as changing my perception of the ufo phenomenon. I think my typical way is undermining the story in a way.

In order to get the context of my background I think a brief history is in order. I’m a second generating fireman in a small east Texas community that typically considers a major disaster as Mr Smith’s cow got hit by a car last night , or Mr Bells barn burned down. In other words we’re a small town and don’t have that exposure to “bigger” events per say. Having said that, I would like to think that we still take our local problems seriously enough to receive adequate training in our field. For example myself as well as most of the guys and gals are trained at a state level in fire suppression and a few of us are state level trained EMT’s. It’s a small community but we as volunteers also take that job seriously.

Rewind back to February of 2003 and all that changed. The space shuttle Columbia exploded over north east teaxas and my little town of 300 people had about 27 different pieces of the shuttle recovered in our back yard. (Mostly just pieces of radioactive insulation) but nonetheless We experienced a disaster on a national scale. And we’re promplty briefed by military (coast guard) officials on what the s.o.p in this unforeseen scenario would be.Find it, hit it with the Geiger counter, if it’s abnormally high in radiation levels, flag it with gps and call the coast guard.

I only mention this disaster because for this little town, It gave us the framework for how to operate at a National level , also gave us a perspective of what a high speed “craft” re entering the atmosphere and exploding sounds like. It shook the ground and windows and almost simultaneously calls started in for a possible aircraft crash. We’re on a county wide dispatch so our neighbor was called, then us, then another, and another, and so on. It was obviously a huge event but at that time the shuttle wasn’t even considered.

It was an interesting moment in life, the first time I shook a NASA representatives hand, and also something that I’m sure I’ll tell the grandkids about!

There’s some background now fast foreword about two years and on July the third 2015 we were doing a briefing on the up coming firework show for the 4th of July when a all familiar rumbling sound was heard. A few of us looked out of the bay of the firehouse to see a large green ball with a contrail streaming off very similar to a meteor! But the resounding crash and the rumble off the earth was not like any other meteor shower I have experienced. And like with the shuttle disaster the calls started rolling in! “Possibly a aircraft crash” the adjacent department responds “that’s not a aircraft” as I was thinking the same thing! Everyone is mobilizing trying to at least ascertain where “it” crashed and then we notice two f16’s blasting by following the path that we witnessed the unidentifiable object going.

It’s not normal for military aircraft to fly this region were kinda in the middle of nowhere! They did do some flir work with Columbia disaster but other than that I can’t think of any other time that jets have flown tree top level in this area.

Wasn’t long after seeing the jets that the dispatcher announced sort of bluntly . “Stand down, the military has this under control” and to this day I’ve never personally heard anything like that! Or what they had “under control”.

We found out later that the “crash site” was only a few miles from our neighboring dept, there was a huge military presence there for a few days and then all gone ! No explanation, no weather balloons, swamp gas nothing.Have no idea what transpired . We know what we saw and heard but that’s it!

To me it was definitely a UFO whether that be a unknown to me, A natural phenomena or E.T. I’ll probably never know. There was no news coverage , only a handful of eye witnesses that I’m aware of, and a few hundred people that felt the ground shake that day.

It opened my mind to the possibility that something else is out there, also proved to me how the military works these encounters, and started me on a quest for truth that I continue to this day!

Anyway that’s my personal ufo story. :)
 

Thunder_Bull45

Native Injunuity
Idk I’m not that smart !

As it was explained though, since the shuttle just passed through the earths atmosphere it would contain higher levels of radiation than things that where on the inside of earths atmosphere.
 

Thunder_Bull45

Native Injunuity
Keep in mind also that very few items actually looked like shuttle debri. I mean a large piece of the nose cone obviously came from the shuttle, where as a small piece of broken tile wasn’t so obvious .

Out of the 100’s of possibles, we only found a few handfuls of positives. The insulation between the carbon tiles and the shuttle substructure looked very similar to the insulation that’s under a regular old Texas trailer shack . Except it showed higher levels of radiation!

According to Doppler radar the heavier items feel through east of here, closer to deep east Texas/Louisiana border.

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nivek

As Above So Below
As it was explained though, since the shuttle just passed through the earths atmosphere it would contain higher levels of radiation than things that where on the inside of earths atmosphere.

The upper atmosphere isn't radioactive...

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Thunder_Bull45

Native Injunuity
The upper atmosphere isn't radioactive...

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But low earth orbit is?

I’m not a space guy so Idk. Would pieces on the inside of the shuttle have higher levels of radiation than a say grass? I don’t know, seems like the shielding on the shuttle would protect the inside ! And since it was actually passing through orbit when it exploded they would’ve been past the unprotected regions of space.!??

All I do know is there’s traces of radiation all around / inside us, we were looking for anomalies. Perhaps nasa wanted to scare all the country folk out of wanting to interact with debri! They also said there was biological matter used in experiments, (think they even found some intact worms in a petri dish) explosive bolts used in ceartain bulk heads, etc..
 

pigfarmer

tall, thin, irritable
I was wondering about that myself. Actually, it's highly unlikely Columbia was carrying anything radioactive but much more likely there was a belief at the time it might have been. Certainly emotions were running high. I found this link that talks about it NoNuclear.net - Shuttle WAS Carrying Radioactive Materials

Not exactly a scholarly reference but I thought TB45 had a cool story - and according to him the Coast Guard did say:

Find it, hit it with the Geiger counter, if it’s abnormally high in radiation levels, flag it with gps and call the coast guard.

Personally, Geiger counters are cool and weird but useless items I've found at flea markets. Pretty sure they need to be properly calibrated. Under those circumstances imagine what would be running through your mind if there was a disaster, officials told you to do this and then you got handed an actual friggin' Geiger counter and sent out to go rooting around looking for debris. Any twitch of the needle would result in an equal twitch in my very, very nervous system.

On another note, Radioisotope Thermoelectric Generators (RTGs) have been on use a long time on spacecraft; Cassini, New Horizons, the Voyagers etc. The Mars rover Curiosity has one too. But, I don't think any of them were brought into orbit by Shuttles and as far as I know weren't intended to return. And Columbia bought it on reentry, not launch like Challenger.

Again, cool story - and the second half is actually more interesting. Probably military and who the hell knows what they might have lost.
 
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Toroid

Founding Member
It's unlikely the shuttle would have come back with something radioactive. Where would it have come from other than the ISS?
Space Shuttle Columbia disaster - Wikipedia
During the launch of STS-107, Columbia's 28th mission, a piece of foam insulation broke off from the Space Shuttle external tank and struck the left wing of the orbiter. A few previous shuttle launches had seen damage ranging from minor to nearly catastrophic from foam shedding,[1][2] but some engineers suspected that the damage to Columbia was more serious. NASA managers limited the investigation, reasoning that the crew could not have fixed the problem if it had been confirmed.[3] When Columbia re-entered the atmosphere of Earth, the damage allowed hot atmospheric gases to penetrate the heat shield and destroy the internal wing structure, which caused the spacecraft to become unstable and break apart.[4]
 

pigfarmer

tall, thin, irritable
It's unlikely the shuttle would have come back with something radioactive. Where would it have come from other than the ISS?
Space Shuttle Columbia disaster - Wikipedia

Dunno. Maybe it just registered as different on the Geiger counters they used from background radiation.
The day a bigass commercial telephone switch falls from orbit and somebody like TB45 has to go look at the debris I can render a professional opinion :)
 

Shadowprophet

Truthiness
Hey guys, I was reading this from Psvr, I normally Wouldn't mention this, but damn, cinematic mode puts the forums on this huge virtual screen, you haven't lived until you try it, it really puts you in there,,,


Anyway, low earth orbit radioactivity is usually Van Allen radiation, its just solar wind charged particles that get stuck in the magnetosphere. It probably could stick to wreckage but it would be so weak I dont think it would generate above 1.5 rads.
 

Thunder_Bull45

Native Injunuity
Dunno. Maybe it just registered as different on the Geiger counters they used from background radiation.

That’s what they said!! Haha It wasn’t very much! Maybe I didn’t specify enough earlier but I didn’t mean to imply we were looking for a nuke or extreme levels of radiation. But there was definitely a register on the materials we found. Maybe it wouldn’t be as useful for identifying interior parts but since we were only finding external components it worked.

It was very eerie thinking that these pieces were in space right before we found them!

Our search was over in a few days. One of the advantages of small towns is everybody know everybody. bubba couldn’t help but tell all his cousins that the shuttle was in his yard!

Back to my ufo story, that’s what makes it soooo weird!!! I know the town that it ended up, I know some of the people on that dept. and nobody knows anything.
 
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