Gene Steinberg's Financial Shenanigans @ Paracast forums

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Standingstones

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I’ve often wonder how Steinberg has skated on receiving jail time. Is he too petty of a scammer that he avoids the law? God knows he has been before a judge often enough. He should be sweating it with these recent revelations about him and his brother-in-law.

If I were him I would be looking over my shoulder plus keeping a very low profile. But Steinberg is too stupid to follow anyone’s advice. The next time there is a knock on the door it won’t be “trolls” but most likely someone wearing a badge.
 

goblin

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I’ve often wonder how Steinberg has skated on receiving jail time. Is he too petty of a scammer that he avoids the law? God knows he has been before a judge often enough. He should be sweating it with these recent revelations about him and his brother-in-law.

If I were him I would be looking over my shoulder plus keeping a very low profile. But Steinberg is too stupid to follow anyone’s advice. The next time there is a knock on the door it won’t be “trolls” but most likely someone wearing a badge.

I imagine he comes across to law enforcement as more of a nuisance than a menace. I agree with those who say the authorities have bigger fish to fry, and Gene kind of spreads his damage around for the most part, and his questionable activities I think mostly just amount to panhandling done electronically.

I agree he is stupid... he seems that terrible type of stupid that believes itself actually very smart. Dangerous.
 

Standingstones

Celestial
I dare say that Steinberg thinks he is more clever and smarter than everyone else. By his own reckoning he has swindled thousand of dollars from generous, unsuspecting people. What could go wrong now? I’m probably in the minority, but I suspect that all this monetary funny business will one day soon catch up with him. It would be a bitch when you are in your seventies, someone comes to your door to lock you up.

It only takes one person who got scammed out of money. That person could make the phone call to bring Steinberg into the justice system. Hopefully there is a TV set behind bars so Steinberg can keep up with the Supergirl program.
 

goblin

Noble
I dare say that Steinberg thinks he is more clever and smarter than everyone else. By his own reckoning he has swindled thousand of dollars from generous, unsuspecting people. What could go wrong now? I’m probably in the minority, but I suspect that all this monetary funny business will one day soon catch up with him. It would be a bitch when you are in your seventies, someone comes to your door to lock you up.

It only takes one person who got scammed out of money. That person could make the phone call to bring Steinberg into the justice system. Hopefully there is a TV set behind bars so Steinberg can keep up with the Supergirl program.

Certainly there are many days when I think he belongs in jail.

I don't think it will catch up with him in the form of jail time, but if it does? I will not be troubled at all. He has hurt people, and keeps trying to get more money out of anyone he can.
 

GhostofBiedny

Celestial
I imagine he comes across to law enforcement as more of a nuisance than a menace. I agree with those who say the authorities have bigger fish to fry, and Gene kind of spreads his damage around for the most part, and his questionable activities I think mostly just amount to panhandling done electronically.

I agree he is stupid... he seems that terrible type of stupid that believes itself actually very smart. Dangerous.

Dunning-Kruger effect. He is stupid and ignorant of his own stupidity. I also suspect he presents himself as a hapless old geezer - I suspect if he was younger he would be locked up by now, but the stereotype of kindly and boring old grandpa (which he himself plays to a lot of the time) probably goes a long way.

I suspect the authorities also have some kind of threshold as to the level of grifting which gets their attention (hence why Bezier got in trouble) - what surprises me is that he (Gene) didn't get in more trouble for the 44k that he "loaned" from that one guy - that certainly should have raised authorities suspicions and warranted a more detailed examination of his activities.

That said it was a few years post financial crisis and I suspect their funding for these sorts of things wouldn't have been great - I know in the UK the austerity measures were causing big problems in pursuing these kinds of crimes which are by their very nature complex and expensive to investigate.
 

Standingstones

Celestial
It's unfortunate that up until recently we have only heard Steinberg's side of things. Luckily the UFO Trail and websites like this one have brought the real truth out. Who knows what other crap Steinberg has kept secretly quiet and underground.
 

erickson

Honorable
Anyway even if he did say that I would not believe it to be true any more than anything else Bezier said, firstly Gene has a history of bad credit going back to at least the 1990s so there is no way he could have had or obtained that amount of money. It is not a small loan - it's mortgage level borrowing. I also find it hard to believe he could have obtained such a huge sum from begging - the 44k sum was amazing enough.

Secondly if as Bezier was aware of Gene's begging on his behalf it is quite possible that he would have forged whatever documents he wanted to play in to whatever storyline he thought Gene was presenting - anyone can make a promissory note especially if they thought it would help there little scam gain more traction.

As I recall there were over $35,000 in judgments against Gene from 2006-2008. Gene told me that he obtained these loans to help Beizer and got stuck when the settlement never came through. You can believe this explanation or not, but it is consistent with what Stephen wrote to the court.

Gene's ability to obtain further loans even late into the game was amazing. The Torson loans, car loans, Mr Amazing, Speedy cash, Green Trust Cash . . . All the while begging his listeners for more. I don't think that the $44,000 received from Torson slowed him down.

Even if Gene started out as a victim, emptying his accounts for Stephen, he quickly moved on and learned how to seek money from his listeners.

If I wanted to engage in conspiracy speculation - and who doesn't? - I might think that Stephen and Gene planned out the Torson affair to make Gene judgment proof. Certainly it did not seem to interfere with their relationship.

By the time Stephen renounced repayment, I would have expected Gene to be screaming. Instead he continued to assert the settlement was real and that Stephen tragically died before it could be received.

I think - my supposition alone - that he continued to help Stephen with the Numis site, even as Stephen searched for new victims who could be lured into a proven financial opportunity. Gene denies this. Stephen's letter claiming lack of internet knowledge might make this more likely. In the end, who do you believe?

It may matter little if the letter represents a falling out or a new plan to get more money. Stephen and Helene did what they did. Gene continued to advance the settlement claim in dealing with Torson, long after he should have known it was not true. He still treats them as victims. He still begs for more.

It's too bad Torson got caught between the two.
 

GhostofBiedny

Celestial
Even if Gene started out as a victim, emptying his accounts for Stephen, he quickly moved on and learned how to seek money from his listeners.

It's so strange. If you were a victim the last thing you would want to do is make someone else a victim of the same crime. You would want justice from the person who ripped you off and make sure they don't do it again.

You wouldn't keep working with them and even bring them on your show (under false pretences) to solicit new victims for the shadow business that you helped set up for them (since they aren't allowed to run a business anymore).

More and more it seems to be almost impossible to comprehend the absurdity and downright weirdness of the Schemeyverse.

Bezier is dead and so I suppose we will never know the actual real truth unless someday Gene decides to come clean (and I doubt that will ever happen).
 

Standingstones

Celestial
Poor Derek, his days are numbered at the Paracast. Some of these members think they can actually get through to Steinberg and Murphy. Murphy summed it up, it’s Steinberg’s show, he can do what he likes. But you are right Derek, the show is run by amateurs who don’t care.
 

Richard

Adept
Is it me or does Randall sound very childish like in his attitude when responding to calling out guests, It read to me like "Well Jerry does it so I'm doing it, na nana na na"
 

GhostofBiedny

Celestial
Is it me or does Randall sound very childish like in his attitude when responding to calling out guests, It read to me like "Well Jerry does it so I'm doing it, na nana na na"

He's a middle aged child and Gene is an elderly child. We seem to live in an age where men who never grew up and are stuck in in an adolescent (or worse preadolescent) mindset misuse their power to serve their own egos. God forbid either Gene or Randall ever get any real power.
 

Wade

Stare..... They are always staring
Yeah I have much different feelings about Randall then i did several years ago. Petulant is a word that I associate with him now.
 

GhostofBiedny

Celestial
More Randlebot from the Parasite:

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So here when Randlebot says:

But at the same time, I'd kindly ask that in addition to being critical, how about offering some doable solutions? I can't help but think that if just a few others also put in time, that it would be more positive than complaining, and most of the problems you describe could be solved.

Is he suggesting that people offer Gene doable solutions? Is he serious? People have been suggesting (non scammy) solutions to the scammer for years - it isn't rocket science, it is all pretty simple. All they get in return is anger, deleted comments, outright bans and being labelled as haters, stalkers and the like.

The problem is Gene isn't interested in solutions HE JUST WANTS MONEY.

No way that Randlebot hasn't noticed this (he has been wholly complicit in it) but I suppose by taking this stance he can ease his own cognitive dissonance over teaming up with a known scammer.

It's the equivalent of a child saying - "I know I'm not but what are you?" in order to create a distraction.

- I wonder how long it will work though.
 

Standingstones

Celestial
I love to read the comments from posters about Murphy. If they could just get a word to him and talk some sense to him, everything would be alright. Unfortunately, Steinberg and Murphy are cut from the same hole ridden cloth.

Both are underemployed or unemployed. They like to noodle at the keyboard all day long and make pronouncements about subjects they have no understanding of. Murphy knows full well about Steinberg and he doesn't care. I'm sure that in Murphy's eyes this makes him a very important man in ufology circles.

Nothing could be further from the truth. If and when the Paracast ocean liner finally goes down, Murphy will be on the deck trying rearrange the chairs.
 
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