Ufologist hysteria

nivek

As Above So Below
This is true to a point, I thought it was worth a read...

Ufologist hysteria

I’m noticing that UFO enthusiasts – even the more temperate and sensible ones (the saner crowd) – are, in the lack of a UFO explanation, plumbing the depths of UFO lore and promoting the craziest of ideas.

This is an evolving hysteria, for which there are numerous societal examples, as those of you well-read in history and historical trends know.

When I saunter around the UFO world, on the internet, I’m submerged in the hokiest of UFO material, a lot of it old and weather-worn but much that is new and even hokier.


I won’t point fingers, as some of where I’m finding this hokum and inane detritus, will be found at sites that give this blog attention.

That aside, some of my UFO pals are flush with UFO nonsense, a few resurrecting tarnished UFO tales that raises ire in those of you (and me) who don’t see ufology or UFO study going anywhere but in the dumper.

There is no way to stem the outgoing tide of UFO sensibility; everyone is affected nor immune.

You know that, for me, UFOs (my hobby for many years and only that, a hobby) are fecund for a kind of scholarly analysis, open to an academic patina even.

But that is not going to happen, has rarely happened in the past – Donald Keyhoe’s and Jacques Vallee’s efforts an exception – and is not happening now.

UFO rascals, people with ulterior motivations seeking fame, fortune, attention of any kind, or just irreverent mischief are running amok in the UFO community, often ballyhooed by those who should know better and should offer restraint, not tawdry accolades.

And don’t provide comments here that I’m depressing your UFO zeal with my plaints.

I don’t give a damn. Being stupid and semi-conscious make no mark with me.

RR


posted by RRRGroup - Friday, June 01, 2018

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Castle-Yankee54

Celestial
I've noticed this as we......but I'm also noticing some facets are becoming cults or basing things on religious style belief systems.
 
Into a vacuum comes a deluge of fantasy. What we really know about UFOs seems to be very little. But humans loath uncertainty, so many people have come forward with "certainty" for a price. You can pick and choose your own version of "truth" that makes you feel warm and fuzzy (and some people feel warm and fuzzy when embracing apocalypse and total doom of the human race). Let's fact it. After 70+ years, we have little factual knowledge about ufos. We have anecdotes. We have plaster casts of holes in the ground where landing gear supposedly rested. We have had people with radiation burns or other physical damage. We have countless photos and films. We have eye witnesses. But none of this tells us ultimately what or who we are dealing with. This allows anyone with a pet theory to promote themselves and their ideas. Nothing new here. Since aliens and flying saucers early on became an entertainment subject in countless B movies and magazines, the field is polluted by the entertainment wing clashing with the serious research wing. I believe that the entertainment wing has taken over, and even MUFON now has become an entertainment company. Maybe we have just given up on the idea of ever really knowing what these things are, so we might as well just spin tales and create modern myths and make a few bucks from the rubes who will believe anything.

I think people who are into solid research should find a different focus, since such people will be constantly frustrated trying to get a hold on ufology. Their research just isn't sexy enough for anyone else to care. I will share my document that I created one night when I could not sleep. It is a data dump of all the UFO and alien theories out there. Pick the one that pleases you because none of them have been proven OR perhaps ALL OF THEM have been proven.

Classification of UFO-Alien Theories.pdf
 

humanoidlord

ce3 researcher
Into a vacuum comes a deluge of fantasy. What we really know about UFOs seems to be very little. But humans loath uncertainty, so many people have come forward with "certainty" for a price. You can pick and choose your own version of "truth" that makes you feel warm and fuzzy (and some people feel warm and fuzzy when embracing apocalypse and total doom of the human race). Let's fact it. After 70+ years, we have little factual knowledge about ufos. We have anecdotes. We have plaster casts of holes in the ground where landing gear supposedly rested. We have had people with radiation burns or other physical damage. We have countless photos and films. We have eye witnesses. But none of this tells us ultimately what or who we are dealing with. This allows anyone with a pet theory to promote themselves and their ideas. Nothing new here. Since aliens and flying saucers early on became an entertainment subject in countless B movies and magazines, the field is polluted by the entertainment wing clashing with the serious research wing. I believe that the entertainment wing has taken over, and even MUFON now has become an entertainment company. Maybe we have just given up on the idea of ever really knowing what these things are, so we might as well just spin tales and create modern myths and make a few bucks from the rubes who will believe anything.

I think people who are into solid research should find a different focus, since such people will be constantly frustrated trying to get a hold on ufology. Their research just isn't sexy enough for anyone else to care. I will share my document that I created one night when I could not sleep. It is a data dump of all the UFO and alien theories out there. Pick the one that pleases you because none of them have been proven OR perhaps ALL OF THEM have been proven.

Classification of UFO-Alien Theories.pdf
you are doing god's work here! i tryed something similar a while ago but i could'nt keep with all the explanations
 

JRT

Novice
It appears to come down to an issue of "focus", and how that may or may not be evolving.

This field is extremely complex, so one can't just focus on, say, "nuts and bolts propulsion", and think they are going to get the whole picture.

Then people start holding their temples and "channeling", which really freaks people out...but there is something to that too.

There is an incredible amount of contactee accounts....dating all the way back to the Bible...which people can read and possibly cross reference pertinent information to get a larger picture.

The information is all here...but its not all in one camp. I read one of the comments left on that article about the skeptics "winning". Winning what????

No one has even talked about anything yet...certainly nothing specific in the article linked.

Phrases like:

"plumbing the depths of UFO lore and promoting the craziest of ideas."

"for which there are numerous societal examples"

"a few resurrecting tarnished UFO tales that raises ire"

These are all extremely general, and are not really talking about anything. What tarnished tales? What crazy ideas?

And part of me agrees with him, but I want to speak about ideas....not bash other personalities. What on earth is this guy talking about? Its very general.

As more and more people continue to have their own experiences, (I think this will happen and continue to increase exponentially) people will naturally pull together the data they need...and get a larger picture. And it will have to be from several different camps...not just one or a few.

Much of the meat of this phenomenon is in what several contactees have shared. I think their stories generally get obscured over time, and some, people flat don't hear about at all. If they do, they spend 90% of their time asking if they were telling the truth...completely disregarding the data.

I've experienced it and seen it in others. A change in the way we think will help all this make much more sense!

When I tripped on the Roswell alien interview that I never knew existed, I was stunned by the information. Pulling accounts similar to this along with other diverse data will bring an understanding of the larger picture.

I don't think this is not "done" yet... Far from it.
 

The shadow

The shadow knows!
It appears to come down to an issue of "focus", and how that may or may not be evolving.

This field is extremely complex, so one can't just focus on, say, "nuts and bolts propulsion", and think they are going to get the whole picture.

Then people start holding their temples and "channeling", which really freaks people out...but there is something to that too.

There is an incredible amount of contactee accounts....dating all the way back to the Bible...which people can read and possibly cross reference pertinent information to get a larger picture.

The information is all here...but its not all in one camp. I read one of the comments left on that article about the skeptics "winning". Winning what????

No one has even talked about anything yet...certainly nothing specific in the article linked.

Phrases like:

"plumbing the depths of UFO lore and promoting the craziest of ideas."

"for which there are numerous societal examples"

"a few resurrecting tarnished UFO tales that raises ire"

These are all extremely general, and are not really talking about anything. What tarnished tales? What crazy ideas?

And part of me agrees with him, but I want to speak about ideas....not bash other personalities. What on earth is this guy talking about? Its very general.

As more and more people continue to have their own experiences, (I think this will happen and continue to increase exponentially) people will naturally pull together the data they need...and get a larger picture. And it will have to be from several different camps...not just one or a few.

Much of the meat of this phenomenon is in what several contactees have shared. I think their stories generally get obscured over time, and some, people flat don't hear about at all. If they do, they spend 90% of their time asking if they were telling the truth...completely disregarding the data.

I've experienced it and seen it in others. A change in the way we think will help all this make much more sense!

When I tripped on the Roswell alien interview that I never knew existed, I was stunned by the information. Pulling accounts similar to this along with other diverse data will bring an understanding of the larger picture.

I don't think this is not "done" yet... Far from it.
1st welcome to AE.
a very informative post. you are correct. only by connecting the dots can the whole of the UFO picture be viewed.
 

Rick Hunter

Celestial
This is true to a point, I thought it was worth a read...

Ufologist hysteria

I’m noticing that UFO enthusiasts – even the more temperate and sensible ones (the saner crowd) – are, in the lack of a UFO explanation, plumbing the depths of UFO lore and promoting the craziest of ideas.

This is an evolving hysteria, for which there are numerous societal examples, as those of you well-read in history and historical trends know.

When I saunter around the UFO world, on the internet, I’m submerged in the hokiest of UFO material, a lot of it old and weather-worn but much that is new and even hokier.


I won’t point fingers, as some of where I’m finding this hokum and inane detritus, will be found at sites that give this blog attention.

That aside, some of my UFO pals are flush with UFO nonsense, a few resurrecting tarnished UFO tales that raises ire in those of you (and me) who don’t see ufology or UFO study going anywhere but in the dumper.

There is no way to stem the outgoing tide of UFO sensibility; everyone is affected nor immune.

You know that, for me, UFOs (my hobby for many years and only that, a hobby) are fecund for a kind of scholarly analysis, open to an academic patina even.

But that is not going to happen, has rarely happened in the past – Donald Keyhoe’s and Jacques Vallee’s efforts an exception – and is not happening now.

UFO rascals, people with ulterior motivations seeking fame, fortune, attention of any kind, or just irreverent mischief are running amok in the UFO community, often ballyhooed by those who should know better and should offer restraint, not tawdry accolades.

And don’t provide comments here that I’m depressing your UFO zeal with my plaints.

I don’t give a damn. Being stupid and semi-conscious make no mark with me.

RR


posted by RRRGroup - Friday, June 01, 2018

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Sadly, this is a good description of how C2C has devolved into little more than a radio tabloid over the years.
 

pigfarmer

tall, thin, irritable
Agreed. After decades of eyewitness reports, pictures, videos we have very little to go on. One more independent group conducting investigations is highly unlikely to turn up any new reality shattering evidence.

BUT - it's easy to sit on the sidelines and carp so I am more than happy to listen to what they have to say and to be honest, wish I could find some way to participate myself. Nothing wrong at all with taking matters into your own hands. On a mundane level I got very annoyed with various contractors I had to deal with so I just learned how to do the plumbing, electrical and carpentry myself and am much more satisfied as a result.

Problem is, as has been stated in this thread, there are those who get carried away and go out on some very thin and bouncy limbs to support some theory. That usually attracts others and before you know it a theory becomes 'fact'

This is why I am suffering from a Fortean ennui and usually come off as being too skeptical. Tic-Tac videos, the admission of government programs and TTSA have definitely sparked my interest again. You have to admit, this is one thing that's different from what we're used to. Years ago I would have been turning back flips over it. Today I am just watching and have several grains of salt handy.

One recent development I can't say I care for is what's been done by Jeremy Corbell. I always thought Hunt for the Skinwalker and what George Knapp and Colm Kelleher had to say about it were very interesting, but this most recent evolution has more to do with Corbell making a splash in the pond than anything else. He wouldn't be the first to use this stuff and our interest to do so. Maybe the basic story isn't being changed but the new packaging isn't appealing to me. Certainly doesn't add credibility, in my opinion.
 

Standingstones

Celestial
I have been disillusioned for some time now with the UFO question. If I ask myself what has been learned, I would have to answer, precious little. The Disclosure crowd has been around for over 20 years. I don’t hear any solutions coming from them. The one thing I do hear is “send us more money.”

Even the few researchers I had high hopes for seem to be in it for money only. It’s a money making career for these people. Even the TTSA business leaves me wanting. It’s been a couple of years now and all I hear are more promises. “We will have more coming out shortly.” I am not holding my breath with that crowd. It’s time to put up or shut up, in my estimation.
 

Toroid

Founding Member
It appears to come down to an issue of "focus", and how that may or may not be evolving.

This field is extremely complex, so one can't just focus on, say, "nuts and bolts propulsion", and think they are going to get the whole picture.

Then people start holding their temples and "channeling", which really freaks people out...but there is something to that too.

There is an incredible amount of contactee accounts....dating all the way back to the Bible...which people can read and possibly cross reference pertinent information to get a larger picture.

The information is all here...but its not all in one camp. I read one of the comments left on that article about the skeptics "winning". Winning what????

No one has even talked about anything yet...certainly nothing specific in the article linked.

Phrases like:

"plumbing the depths of UFO lore and promoting the craziest of ideas."

"for which there are numerous societal examples"

"a few resurrecting tarnished UFO tales that raises ire"

These are all extremely general, and are not really talking about anything. What tarnished tales? What crazy ideas?

And part of me agrees with him, but I want to speak about ideas....not bash other personalities. What on earth is this guy talking about? Its very general.

As more and more people continue to have their own experiences, (I think this will happen and continue to increase exponentially) people will naturally pull together the data they need...and get a larger picture. And it will have to be from several different camps...not just one or a few.

Much of the meat of this phenomenon is in what several contactees have shared. I think their stories generally get obscured over time, and some, people flat don't hear about at all. If they do, they spend 90% of their time asking if they were telling the truth...completely disregarding the data.

I've experienced it and seen it in others. A change in the way we think will help all this make much more sense!

When I tripped on the Roswell alien interview that I never knew existed, I was stunned by the information. Pulling accounts similar to this along with other diverse data will bring an understanding of the larger picture.

I don't think this is not "done" yet... Far from it.
Welcome to AE.
:good:
 

pigfarmer

tall, thin, irritable
the TTSA business leaves me wanting

Yup. There are those who are convinced that 'this is IT' because of a hypothesis they have come up with. Hell that's great! That's what we're actually here for, mostly, right? The evidence still comes down to personal observation, eyewitness testimony, pictures etc. If trace evidence does exist even better but I'm not aware of it beyond what TTSA says they have. I still feel Ruppelt's book nailed it. Take everything I just said and you can see several instances of this in The Report On Unidentified Flying Objects where some very clever folks, including the military with their advanced resources were just mistaken.

I have a belief that we are being visited the same way I have a belief in various other things.

Our reaction to the ufological hysteria means we have all been around this stuff for a long time, and what goes around comes around. What's old is new again. Wackiness and peculiar theories aren't new, they've just been repackaged for a new audience. Paging Jeremy Corbell .... The 'immediacy of communication' we enjoy has just changed the flavor. But just when you think the old school nonsense has faded then bang ! Roswell slides .....
 
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