Justice Fodor

A pen name of Dean (used 2-8-19 to 8-1-21)
"I'm a lot more interested in Ray [Stanford]'s time machine than any pictures of flying saucers he may have." -- AE member Double Nought Spy, February 8, 2019

Ray Stanford and His Super-Power-Inducing Time Machine
(AKA "The Hilaron Accelerator")


[I originally posted what follows on February 8, 2019, in another thread dealing with certain UFO-evidence claims of Ray Stanford. It has since come to my attention that it was a mistake to "bury" this time-machine write-up as a comment in that thread, since it deals with a separate issue that deserves separate attention. Therefore I am now taking the liberty, which I hope does not violate any rule, of re-posting here as a separate thread, with the appropriate documents. I have made few changes -- a couple of points of minor clarification, a single 1974 Stanford quote added, and a few typos fixed.]

Many readers may be puzzled by the reference above to Ray Stanford being associated with a "time machine." They may say to themselves, "Surely Ray Stanford, who has claimed status as a pioneer of 'scientific' UFO research, never promoted the concept of building a time machine . . . did he?"

Well, yes, actually Ray Stanford did actively promote construction of a large device, which he called the "Hilaron Accelerator" (or just "the Accelerator"), that he said would grant some humans various super powers, including the power to travel in time. Stanford promoted this concept personally and through at least two different organizations, from about 1960 to at least as late as 1976, when he was 37 years old. He made appeals for funds to pursue this project, which he estimated in 1974 would cost $1.25 to $3 million.

Stanford described the Hilaron Accelerator as a chamber that would be energized in a manner that would, according to Stanford and his usually invisible spirit guides, induce in a human occupant truly astonishing super-psychic powers. Among these would be, for some individuals, the capacity "not only to relocate the body in space [teleport], but to relocate that body, mind, and consciousness in time." Stanford said in one lecture, “He [the occupant] would begin to glow. His body would disappear instantly or fade out . . . [and he would] to walk the sands of ancient Egypt 5,000 years ago. . . . he will materialize a physical body in ancient Egypt.”

When somebody raised this issue on an internet listserv in 1999, Stanford responded with partially false statements that are contradicted by the documented record.

In order to explain more fully, I must first give further background information.

The Association for the Understanding of Man (A.U.M) was a nonprofit organization based in Austin, Texas, during the 1970's. (There was an earlier short-lived entity with a similar name based elsewhere, also associated with Stanford, but I will refer here only to the Austin-based nonprofit of the 1970's.) Stanford was sometimes referred to in the AUM literature as a "research psychic" on the staff, but whatever the exact technical legal arrangement of this tax-exempt entity, it is pretty clear from reading the A.U.M literature and other evidence that the entire organization was centered on Stanford and his psychic readings. He was calling the main shots -- directly and through authoritative direction given through the in-trance discourses. These "readings" emanated from Stanford while he was said to be in an "unconscious state." The discourses were attributed to "the Brothers" (members of the "White Brotherhood" of spiritual adepts) or the "Source" (AKA "the Source of the Readings," defined more or less as the supermind of Stanford's soul.

A.U.M published a thick journal several times a year, periodic newsletters, and a number of books. The bulk of the journal content consisted of transcripts of trance messages ("readings") from the "Brothers" and "the Source," by way of Ray Stanford's vocal cords, on lots of different topics, but especially on various projects that would have world-shaking effects, once fulfilled. Fulfillment was generally presented in being within a fairly short time frame -- a few years or less -- if sufficient support was forthcoming, etc.

Among its other activities, A.U.M sponsored summer conferences for members, held in Austin from 1973 until at least 1979. Some summers there were two such conferences, other summers only one. Attendees at these conferences heard lectures by Stanford, other A.U.M staff, and guest speakers.

In addition, conference attendees participated in "conference readings," which occurred in a church-in-the-round in Austin. As described, Stanford laid down in the middle of the room, went into an ostensible unconscious state, and channeled long discourses from "the Brothers" and "the Source" on world events to come, alien visitations to Earth, the world saving importance of the various Stanford/A.U.M projects, and many other subjects. (Occasionally, for discourses from important "Brothers," Stanford remained seated in a lotus position, but still supposedly unaware of what was being said.) According to contemporary accounts, these discourses sometimes continued without interruption for two hours or more. Transcripts of most of these "conference readings" were subsequently published in the Journal of the Association for the Understanding of Man (or "A.U.M. Journal," for short). Stanford was listed as "Editor-in-Chief" of the Journal when it began running a masthead in 1976.

For a number of years, many of these conference talks and "conference readings" also were sold on tape cassettes, some of which have survived in private collections, and perhaps also in some specialized libraries. I believe that some of Stanford's current associates would be shocked to hear some of the claims and notions that Stanford put forward in these recordings.

Now, to return to the story of the "Hilaron Accelerator." I do not think I have put together every chapter of the saga of the Accelerator, but there is ample information in the published documents and tape recordings, which I will now summarize.

In his 1974 interview with Psychic magazine (uploaded above), Stanford said that in 1957 he "began to go into a semi-conscious state [in which] a number of entities came through who called themselves Brothers." In 1960 he started channeling from the ostensibly fully unconscious state. From 1960 on, many of the "readings" were attributed to "the Source of the Readings," considered to be Stanford's own higher self, but others continued to be attributed to various "Brothers" (each of whom is heard, on the cassettes, speaking with different accents and inflections).

"The Hilaron Accelerator" apparently was a concept that emerged in some of the earliest readings, around 1960. The design was credited to a "Brother" named Hilarion (note the difference in spelling). I didn't find much about this Hilarion character, but in the Psychic interview (page 9) Stanford said that on April 13, 1961, a "Brother" "materialized physically in a brightly lit lighted room," that he was "over seven feet tall," "was actually glowing," and was accompanied by "a globe of light about eighteen inches in diameter [that] hovered near the ceiling, glowing a diffused white-blue light." In an 1974 lecture, Stanford said that this materialized Brother was in fact Hilarion, that he "materialized" in a "physical body," was "eight feet tall," and wore a pointed helmet. Also, "His body glowed like Moses."

Anyway, the Accelerator was to be a big metal chamber, once described by Stanford as looking like "a great big polished copper medicine capsule," on the order of 25 feet long, with an attached control room. The idea was that if one charged the chamber walls with 1 to 3 million volts, it would create an "electro-static field," and if the right kind of person sat or laid inside the chamber while it was charged, that person's psychic powers would get a huge boost, permitting super-clairvoyance, teleportation, and even the ability to physically travel back in time. It would, Stanford said in a 1974 lecture, be "a device that in many respects is similar to a UFO."

Stanford also said, in the same lecture, that with the Accelerator, "a hyper-person, a super-person if you prefer, might be created." He characterized the project as "one of the most important projects in which we will ever engage."

Stanford also said that the group he'd been associated with in 1960 had actually obtained a piece of land on which they intended to build the device, only to be blocked by opposition from local Baptists.

Now, let's stop here for a moment and fast forward to 1999 -- when somebody was impolite enough to bring up this time-machine business (along with some other sticky issues related to Stanford's A.U.M. period) on an internet mailing list (listserv) devoted to dinosaur-related issues, of which Stanford was a member. Stanford reacted as he often does when such issues are raised -- he attacked those raising the questions (who, as near as I can tell, were promptly kicked off the listserv), and he offered a short defense regarding the "time machine."

Stanford's defense was to claim that A.U.M. “NEVER, EVER collected any money to build the ‘Time Machine’ . . . I often cautioned persons that the ‘Accelerator’ was possibly an unconsciously [sic] contrivance of my mind. . . . I was 22 years of age when that stuff ‘came through’ and I’m now 60.” (capitals in the original)

Unfortunately, these words by Stanford are contradicted by his own recorded words from the mid-1970s.

It is true that at the time of the initial Brother-messages that Stanford said pushed for construction of the Accelerator, in or about 1960, he would have been about 22 years old. But the Accelerator concept was heavily promoted in many pieces of official A.U.M. literature published from 1973 until 1976, and by Stanford himself in speeches and written material during that period, when he was in his mid-to-late 30's.

In a glossy A.U.M. promotional booklet first published in 1973, apparently intended to attract members and donors to support the work of the nonprofit organization, said: “Plans for the Project Starlight laboratory building include the installation of a high-energy field-effect research device capable of isolating research subjects from most outside electromagnetic frequencies and also of surrounding the subject in an electro-static field of perhaps as much as three million volts, while generating still other fields inside the controlled-environment device. The research facility will become part of a continuing program researching the relationships of matter, energy, space, time, and consciousness.”

Stanford (at age 36) also discussed the Accelerator at some length in his 1974 interview with Psychic magazine, which I have uploaded here. Stanford said:

They [the Brothers] told us how to build a complicated research device. We took this data to two engineers who said they could not see how some of the required engineering features could possibly be accomplished. But then the Brothers came through with additional information which the engineers thought was fantastic. Now it looks like, the time is coming very soon when we can actually build a laboratory and start researching this device , which might be able to enhance psychic and healing abilities considerably. The device would isolate a person from outside electromagnetic impulses while enclosing him in a very high-energy electrostatic field. The Brothers say that the effect achieved would be very much like that which happened to Moses on top of Mount Sinai. They say that the "Pillar of Fire" that Moses saw was actually a technological device from an advanced civilization. Moses was warned to hide himself in the cleft of a rock when the "Glory of the Lord" approached. If a spaceship were to pass over Mount Sinai with a three million volt electrostatic charge on its surface, any person standing there would act like a lightning rod. So Moses hid in the cleft of the rock. Remember that when he came down after forty days he was glowing. Physically the only thing that could have caused it was that the major electrolyte of the body, ATP (adenosine triphosphate), was energized. This is one of the things that we hope to do in this device-- energize the ATP and enhance the process of consciousness.​

The Psychic magazine interviewer then asked, "When do you plan to have this device built?" Stanford answered: "Fortunately the Association for the Understanding of Man (A.U.M.) now has the land and we're beginning sometime early this year to build the laboratory. Tied in with this work is our Project Starlight International (P.S.I.) for detecting UFOs. . . ."

In the same issue of the magazine, A.U.M. purchased a full-page ad to solicit new members, which said that A.U.M. "is building high-energy-field research equipment and a laboratory for studying the relationships of matter, energy, space, time, and consciousness." You can see the ad yourself on the final page of the PDF of the pages from the April 1974 issue of Psychic.

In addition, the Accelerator was heavily promoted by "the Brothers" and "the Source" in various Stanford psychic readings during the period of 1973-1976 -- for example, see the August 9, 1974 conference-reading discourse by "Brother Lanto," found on pages 23-28 of A.U.M. Journal Vol. 3 No. 1, uploaded here. ("Lanto" again associated the device with Hilarion, "whose influence has been major on the design at the higher level of that device.") Certainly, those who supported the organization through donations or dues had every reason to believe that their financial support was advancing, among other things, this wondrous Accelerator project.

Furthermore, the elevated spiritual voices channeled by Stanford insisted that the Accelerator project was important to the entire human race. In a "conference reading" that Stanford delivered on August 23, 1974, published in A.U.M. Journal Vol. 3 No. 2 (not uploaded, yet), the "Source" said that the Accelerator:

where it is made a physical reality and put into operation . . . will aid in the conscious awarenesses toward the assimilation of the barrage of new data from outside the Earth, from within the Earth, and from within individuals, that will be reaching you. That device, which is influenced under guidance by those from beyond the Earth [extraterrestrials] and by some of those who have overcome the Earth [the "Brothers"], in a sense is as a beginning influence toward the integration of spirit, mind and body. . . . In other words, the project, if fulfilled through the willingness and love of those who would support such activities [i.e., donations], is to bring not only a psychical, catalytic influence to the entire world, but to allow the breakthrough, under controlled and repeatable conditions, of the demonstration of the superiority of spirit to mind, and of mind to the material, under laboratory conditions . . . of the capacity of spirit, mind, and body to transcend body, mind, and time itself, and to travel not only space but time.​

On August 24, 1974, Stanford gave an entire lecture titled "Space, Time, Fields, the Accelerator, and A.U.M" at one of the membership conferences. I have a copy of this tape. I have listened to it. I have quoted from it above, but hardly scratched the surface. The lecture contains many remarkable statements. However, I am not inclined to transcribe the whole lecture, which goes on for more than an hour. Contrary to Stanford's 1999 disavowal, during this lecture Stanford made at least two appeals for financial support for the Accelerator project, which he estimated would cost from $1.25 to $3 million. At one point he even said that he could be giving his psychic readings from within the Accelerator at future A.U.M. conferences, even within a year or two, "depending on when the funds come in." (He gave another similar talk at a 1975 A.U.M. membership conference.)

So, you may ask, what happened when A.U.M. actually built the Accelerator/time machine? I bet the answer won't surprise you: No such device was ever built. Not even started, apparently. (Sorry to disappoint you, Double Nought Spy.)

You may ask, didn't those the A.U.M. members and donors complain about that? I don't know, maybe some did. But it is very clear from going through the A.U.M./P.S.I. publications (and the cassette lectures, etc.) chronologically, that Stanford (and "the Brothers" and "the Source") during those years were always promoting more than one world-shaking project at any given time -- establishing open contact with alien visitors; uncovering Imhotep's tomb and Essene scrolls (those discoveries that would prevent a terrible war in the Middle East); spreading the proper Ray Stanford interpretations of certain apparitions of the Virgin Mary; and more.

These projects all had just one thing in common -- Ray Stanford was the super-hero of each story. One "reading" said Stanford's soul had first incarnated on Earth "more than 40,000 years ago, and every incarnation has been pointing to the present time, to the fulfillment of an opportunity . . ." See A.U.M. Journal Vol. 3, No. 4, p. 68 (uploaded here).

But the payoff days somehow never arrived. Aliens did not emerge from landed craft to greet Stanford at the Project Starlight facility. The tomb of Imhotep and the Essence scrolls were not uncovered. The imminent world catastrophes predicted in numerous of Stanford's psychic readings did not occur.

As for the Accelerator, it looks like it just quietly slid off the list of immediate priorities. Remarkably, the guidance from "the Brothers" and "the Source," and even from "Jeshua" (Jesus Christ), seems to have consistently ratified such swerves and lurches in the Stanford agenda of grand missions. Funny how that works.

In the A.U.M. newsletter dated April 2, 1976, Stanford revealed that the Accelerator project was "a low priority simply because it is not practical to pursue it at this time. I realize I’ve made some over-optimistic statements in the past about how soon we could undertake this project, but the fact is that it may take several million dollars and a number of top-grade professionals to really get that project underway, and it doesn't appear likely that we'll have such research available until the Association's work is far better known than it is now."

So, then, in 1976 the Accelerator was still on his to-do list, but would have to wait awhile longer, until . . . later.

Ray Stanford wrote that newsletter when he was 37 years old. He's 80 now.

-- Justice Fodor
 

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Creepy Green Light

Don't mistake lack of talent for genius
The same guy that invented a time machine and who could also channel Jesus Christ - has captured daylight flying saucers on film. Go figure.
 

Justice Fodor

A pen name of Dean (used 2-8-19 to 8-1-21)
Be fair. Stanford did not claim that he had personally "invented" the Accelerator device. Stanford gave full credit to a member of the "White Brotherhood" named Hilarion. (Other "Brothers," speaking through the entranced Stanford, also gave Hilarion credit for the Accelerator.) The human engineers who drew up plans were merely following the dictated material, according to Stanford's accounts (found in the 1974 Psychic magazine interview, uploaded above, and elsewhere).

Hilarion was the "Brother" who Stanford described (in the 1974 Psychic magazine interview and elsewhere) as having materialized in the presence of Stanford and other witnesses, seven to eight fall tall, and wearing a pointy helmet. Stanford mentioned in a lecture that the room had a high ceiling (characteristic attention to detail).

(While the Brother was named Hilarion, the device was known as the "Hilaron Accelerator." The variation in spelling and pronunciation were apparently deliberate, but I have not seen it explained.)

Hilarion is not to be confused with Aramda, the "Brother" who was aloft with the group of extraterrestrials that Stanford called "The Watchers."
 

Creepy Green Light

Don't mistake lack of talent for genius
Be fair. Stanford did not claim that he had personally "invented" the Accelerator device. Stanford gave full credit to a member of the "White Brotherhood" named Hilarion. (Other "Brothers," speaking through the entranced Stanford, also gave Hilarion credit for the Accelerator.) The human engineers who drew up plans were merely following the dictated material, according to Stanford's accounts (found in the 1974 Psychic magazine interview, uploaded above, and elsewhere).

Hilarion was the "Brother" who Stanford described (in the 1974 Psychic magazine interview and elsewhere) as having materialized in the presence of Stanford and other witnesses, seven to eight fall tall, and wearing a pointy helmet. Stanford mentioned in a lecture that the room had a high ceiling (characteristic attention to detail).

(While the Brother was named Hilarion, the device was known as the "Hilaron Accelerator." The variation in spelling and pronunciation were apparently deliberate, but I have not seen it explained.)

Hilarion is not to be confused with Aramda, the "Brother" who was aloft with the group of extraterrestrials that Stanford called "The Watchers."
Copy that.
 

wwkirk

Divine
Be fair. Stanford did not claim that he had personally "invented" the Accelerator device. Stanford gave full credit to a member of the "White Brotherhood" named Hilarion. (Other "Brothers," speaking through the entranced Stanford, also gave Hilarion credit for the Accelerator.) The human engineers who drew up plans were merely following the dictated material, according to Stanford's accounts (found in the 1974 Psychic magazine interview, uploaded above, and elsewhere).

Hilarion was the "Brother" who Stanford described (in the 1974 Psychic magazine interview and elsewhere) as having materialized in the presence of Stanford and other witnesses, seven to eight fall tall, and wearing a pointy helmet. Stanford mentioned in a lecture that the room had a high ceiling (characteristic attention to detail).

(While the Brother was named Hilarion, the device was known as the "Hilaron Accelerator." The variation in spelling and pronunciation were apparently deliberate, but I have not seen it explained.)

Hilarion is not to be confused with Aramda, the "Brother" who was aloft with the group of extraterrestrials that Stanford called "The Watchers."
Is this Master Hilarion, the Ascended Master?
Master Hilarion - Wikipedia
 

Creepy Green Light

Don't mistake lack of talent for genius
By the way, don't forget about RS's ridiculous claim that decades after the Socorro incident, that he went back there for some reason to take photographs. Some of the photographs were taken of the old dynamite shack that we often hear about. Not at the time, but after the film was developed, what miraculously appeared on the film? The exact same egg shaped UFO - complete with landing gear extended - in the background. Then there's people like Ben Moss (Virginia MUFON) who back up these new photographs.

Its like me saying; 40 years ago I was standing near a radio tower in a section of Maine when a triangle shaped UFO landed. So I decided to revisit the site 40 years later at which the UFO landed to take pictures. Once I got home and developed the pictures, I noticed the exact same triangle shaped UFO that I saw 40 years earlier.

That's like saying you won the Mega Millions & Power Ball at the same time. Would not happen. Cannot happen.
 

Creepy Green Light

Don't mistake lack of talent for genius
I had no idea that RS had his own version of CO's SLV project. Where a camera scans the skys for flying saucers and will tell you if one is descending & then give off a warning if has landed. Even a computer with a robot voice will dial you to tell you to get out of your house and scan the skies.
 

Justice Fodor

A pen name of Dean (used 2-8-19 to 8-1-21)
"By the way, don't forget about RS's [Ray Stanford's] ridiculous claim that decades after the Socorro incident, that he went back there for some reason to take photographs. Some of the photographs were taken of the old dynamite shack that we often hear about. Not at the time, but after the film was developed, what miraculously appeared on the film? The exact same egg shaped UFO - complete with landing gear extended - in the background." -- Creepy Green Light

I believe you have inadvertently somewhat garbled this particular Stanford claim. Stanford has made the claim publicly on at least one podcast, but I do not have that handy at the moment. However, I do have comments that were posted on another forum by Stanford-admiring scribe Chris O'Brien in August 2015. I believe that what O'Brien posted is pretty consistent with what I recall Stanford having said on the podcast, so I will quote O'Brien:

[O'Brien, August 2015] I HAVE seen the picture WTF! I have also witnessed step-by-step the complete process that Ray undertook to clean up and further clarify the images. I was asked not to talk about it, but since he has mentioned them on Martin Willis' show, I suppose it's now OK to talk about them. The photo was take some months after the Socorro incident and in the foreground is the dynamite shack that was located near the landing site. Off in the distance, at the edge of the photo, just above the horizon, are four small dots that Ray had never noticed before. When they are blown up in size, two of the dots look exactly like the Socorro object--one even has its landing legs extended. I have Ray's complete analysis process. It will remain unposted until Ray OKs their release.
So then, the photo was said to have been taken within months of the Zamora event, not decades after. The story is, while taking the photo Stanford was focusing on the dynamite shack and did not notice four UFOs in the distance; he only discovered the "small dots" at some much later date. The dot-images have since been manipulated by Stanford in ways known to O'Brien.

The photo you have posted is one of many that exist of Stanford associates in Austin, Texas, associated with Project Starlight International, an internal project of the Association for the Understanding of Man. I have posted material dealing with some aspects of Project Starlight here and here and here. I believe that there is a lot more that might be said about it.
 
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Justice Fodor

A pen name of Dean (used 2-8-19 to 8-1-21)
"Is this Master Hilarion, the Ascended Master? Master Hilarion - Wikipedia" -- wwkirk

As even that short Wikipedia article indicates, these "White Brotherhood" personas have a long pedigree. Some of the same names have been employed by many different "channels," going back at least to the notorious Madam Blavatsky in the 19th century. That Wikipedia article cites a scholar in such matters who wrote that he thought Blavatsky's "Master Hilarion" was based on "Ooton Liato, a stage magician from Cyprus whom she met in New York City in 1873."

Be that as it may, there are statements in the literature of the Association for the Understanding of Man of the 1970's to the effect that none of the other contemporary "channels" who were purporting to channel these "Brothers" were providing the authentic stuff. Accept no substitutes! There was one previous White-Brother channel who was endorsed, but he was obscure and already dead.
 
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Creepy Green Light

Don't mistake lack of talent for genius
"By the way, don't forget about RS's [Ray Stanford's] ridiculous claim that decades after the Socorro incident, that he went back there for some reason to take photographs. Some of the photographs were taken of the old dynamite shack that we often hear about. Not at the time, but after the film was developed, what miraculously appeared on the film? The exact same egg shaped UFO - complete with landing gear extended - in the background." -- Creepy Green Light

I believe you have inadvertently somewhat garbled this particular Stanford claim. Stanford has made the claim publicly on at least one podcast, but I do not have that handy at the moment. However, I do have comments that were posted on another forum by Stanford-admiring scribe Chris O'Brien in August 2015. I believe that what O'Brien posted is pretty consistent with what I recall Stanford having said on the podcast, so I will quote O'Brien:

[O'Brien, August 2015] I HAVE seen the picture WTF! I have also witnessed step-by-step the complete process that Ray undertook to clean up and further clarify the images. I was asked not to talk about it, but since he has mentioned them on Martin Willis' show, I suppose it's now OK to talk about them. The photo was take some months after the Socorro incident and in the foreground is the dynamite shack that was located near the landing site. Off in the distance, at the edge of the photo, just above the horizon, are four small dots that Ray had never noticed before. When they are blown up in size, two of the dots look exactly like the Socorro object--one even has its landing legs extended. I have Ray's complete analysis process. It will remain unposted until Ray OKs their release.
So then, the photo was said to have been taken within months of the Zamora event, not decades after. The story is, while taking the photo Stanford was focusing on the dynamite shack and did not notice four UFOs in the distance; he only discovered the "small dots" at some much later date. The dot-images have since been manipulated by Stanford in ways known to O'Brien.

The photo you have posted is one of many that exist of Stanford associates in Austin, Texas, associated with Project Starlight International, an internal project of the Association for the Understanding of Man. I have posted material dealing with some aspects of Project Starlight here and here and here. I believe that there is a lot more that might be said about it.
You're right, I made a mistake. The way I look at it - whether it's weeks or years - it's outlandish to think it happened.
 

Justice Fodor

A pen name of Dean (used 2-8-19 to 8-1-21)
You're right, I made a mistake. The way I look at it - whether it's weeks or years - it's outlandish to think it happened.

Yet, "outlandish" things do happen. So I would apply the same standard here as I would apply to the other photo-claims of Stanford, which for short I might call "Don't trust, and verify." Which in this case would entail forensic examination of the original images (film, digital, whatever, without "enhancements" by Stanford or his agents), by technically competent persons independent of Stanford. Such analysis to be conducted without reliance on Stanford's objectivity or candor. If scrutiny such as I have described were applied to this negative, and did reveal one or more unusual egg-shaped craft, within miles and months of the Zamora event, the next question would be whether such a finding would strengthen or weaken the case that the object Zamora saw was of extraterrestrial origin.
 

Creepy Green Light

Don't mistake lack of talent for genius
Yet, "outlandish" things do happen. So I would apply the same standard here as I would apply to the other photo-claims of Stanford, which for short I might call "Don't trust, and verify." Which in this case would entail forensic examination of the original images (film, digital, whatever, without "enhancements" by Stanford or his agents), by technically competent persons independent of Stanford. Such analysis to be conducted without reliance on Stanford's objectivity or candor. If scrutiny such as I have described were applied to this negative, and did reveal one or more unusual egg-shaped craft, within miles and months of the Zamora event, the next question would be whether such a finding would strengthen or weaken the case that the object Zamora saw was of extraterrestrial origin.
I still think if Stanford did submit his "evidence" - that a crack team of competent people (like the same dream team that demolished the Roswell Slides) would rip is evidence to shreds - and he knows it. That's why he'll never submit anything.

If one truly had a flying saucer on film - they would probably do what the frauds have done (like Meier, Adamski, Alien Autopsy film, etc.) which is sell your film. If it was really legit - you would be paid millions by a network(s) so that they can show the historical footage. You'd be on the cover of every science magazine and/or magazines like Time, etc. You get paid appearances on talk shows nonstop. History Channel, Discovery Channel, etc. would make documentaries about you and pay a lot of $$$. You'd be in the history books moving forward as the first person to capture a legitimate flying saucer from another world on film. You'd be a house hold name like Neil Armstrong's name, etc. etc. etc. blah blah blah. But instead - Ray's highlight is being interviewed on shows like the Paracast & hording his "evidence" so nobody can examine it.

We already knows he likes the limelight because of his dinosaur discoveries. It'd be like the same thing for the flying saucer discovery only 1000 fold + he'd make millions off of it.
 

humanoidlord

ce3 researcher
By the way, don't forget about RS's ridiculous claim that decades after the Socorro incident, that he went back there for some reason to take photographs. Some of the photographs were taken of the old dynamite shack that we often hear about. Not at the time, but after the film was developed, what miraculously appeared on the film? The exact same egg shaped UFO - complete with landing gear extended - in the background. Then there's people like Ben Moss (Virginia MUFON) who back up these new photographs.

Its like me saying; 40 years ago I was standing near a radio tower in a section of Maine when a triangle shaped UFO landed. So I decided to revisit the site 40 years later at which the UFO landed to take pictures. Once I got home and developed the pictures, I noticed the exact same triangle shaped UFO that I saw 40 years earlier.

That's like saying you won the Mega Millions & Power Ball at the same time. Would not happen. Cannot happen.
i think justice already mentioned this incident in one of his threads...
 

humanoidlord

ce3 researcher
I had no idea that RS had his own version of CO's SLV project. Where a camera scans the skys for flying saucers and will tell you if one is descending & then give off a warning if has landed. Even a computer with a robot voice will dial you to tell you to get out of your house and scan the skies.
thats how he claims to have photohraphed and filmed them....
 

humanoidlord

ce3 researcher
Be that as it may, there are statements in the literature of the Association for the Understanding of Man of the 1970's to the effect that none of the other contemporary "channels" who were purporting to channel these "Brothers" were providing the authentic stuff.
typical "i am right! he is not!" cultist stuff
 

Justice Fodor

A pen name of Dean (used 2-8-19 to 8-1-21)
Today I started "Ray Stanford Close-Up" thread no. 6, dealing further with "Aramda," the extraterrestrial "Brother" (i.e., member of the White Brotherhood) with whom Stanford said he had repeated contacts in the 1950s-1970s, some involving UFO close encounters. The new post includes audio excerpts of Stanford talking about his long (38,000-year!) association with Aramda, and Stanford channeling Aramda from a trance. This material provides important context for Stanford's claims about the origins and purposes of Project Starlight International.
 

Justice Fodor

A pen name of Dean (used 2-8-19 to 8-1-21)
On March 8, 2019, Ray Stanford gave a long interview on a podcast called UFO Classified, during which he claimed that it was untrue that he had raised money to build a time machine. I refute this lie in the following post, which includes an additional audio upload -- a five-minute excerpt from a 1974 talk by Stanford to a conference of A.U.M. members and donors, in which Stanford touted the huge importance of pursuing the Accelerator project (citing the authority of the White Brotherhood), and repeatedly stressed the need for funds to pursue the project. This was a Stanford-awake exhortation-lecture, not a trance-reading.

Ray Stanford Close-Up No. 9:
Stanford Swipes at His Critics; Plus Alien Fingers,
"A Major Government Operation," and
the Stanford-Goddard-NASA Connection
 
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nivek

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The shadow

The shadow knows!
This has got to be the most silly claim ever! Pure comic geunis!

"At one point he even said that he could be giving his psychic readings from within the Accelerator at future A.U.M. conferences, even within a year or two, "depending on when the funds come in." (He gave another similar talk at a 1975 A.U.M. membership conference."

This litterly made me spit up my lemonade!
The pure silly nature of this makes me question his sanity..
 

Justice Fodor

A pen name of Dean (used 2-8-19 to 8-1-21)
Ray Stanford recently received a little new attention on The Daily Grail, a website that covers various off-beat topics. A June 10, 2021 review of a recent virtual conference sponsored by the Scientific Coalition for UAP Studies, contained a short section describing a conference-related incident in which Stanford was involved. The writer-reviewer, "Red Pill Junkie," described Stanford in this way:

Now, for people who are not familiar with Ray, he is a very controversial figure in the world of UFOlogy: a rare remnant of the golden years of the Contactees in the 1950s...and in 1971 he founded the Association for the Understanding of Man (AUM), which were involved in a lot of dubious endeavors (including trying to build a time machine!).

Seeing that reference to the "time machine" reminded me of how, when Ray Stanford appeared on Erica Luke's podcast on March 8, 2019, he claimed he had never tried to raise money to build the time-machine device ("the Accelerator"), and claimed it was just joke taken out of context. This was a flat-out lie, as I addressed in my critique of the interview in Ray Stanford Close Up No. 9.

On that occasion, I posted a four-minute audio clip from a talk promoting the "the Accelerator" project that Stanford delivered (awake, not while in one of his trances) at a conference of the Association for the Understanding of Man (A.U.M.) on August 24, 1974. The title was "Space, Time, Fields, the Accelerator, and A.U.M." In the four-minute excerpt, which I post again here, Stanford twice emphasized the importance of the "Accelerator" project and the need for donations to speed construction of the Accelerator. Stanford put great emphasis on the importance afforded to the Accelerator project by the "divine beings" (his term) for whom he was the trance-channel: "The Brothers [members of the White Brotherhood] have suggested to us that this Accelerator project is one of the most important projects upon which we could engage."

Elsewhere, Stanford which estimated construction of the "Accelerator" would cost from $1.25 to $3 million.

This 1974 talk was far from the only occasion on which Stanford spoke or wrote about the importance of constructing the Accelerator, or the need for donations to facilitate that project.

It was not until an A.U.M. newsletter dated April 2, 1976, that Stanford switched gears, informing the A.U.M. membership that the "Accelerator" had been moved to "a low priority simply because it is not practical to pursue it at this time. I realize I’ve made some over-optimistic statements in the past about how soon we could undertake this project, but the fact is that it may take several million dollars and a number of top-grade professionals to really get that project underway, and it doesn't appear likely that we'll have such resources available until the Association's work is far better known than it is now."

Some may also doubt that Stanford could possibly have intended anybody to believe that the "Accelerator" would allow literal, physical transport of a human body into the distant past. Perhaps, some may suggest, he was speaking of some sort of psychic "remote viewing," or such? No, my friends-- Stanford could not have been more explicit. I have uploaded here a second clip from the same presentation of August 24, 1974, this one about 5 minutes long, in which Stanford very explicitly describes how the device would allow physical transport into the distant past-- and also the considerable associated risk of becoming stranded in the past!

At the time he gave this talk, Ray Stanford was 36 years old.
 

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