Gene Steinberg's Financial Shenanigans @ Paracast forums

GhostofBiedny

Celestial
If the Paracast dies, what will Gene's next gig be? Maybe he'll try and resurrect himself with a new name for a new show?

He could go full way into the Nigerian 419 scams. There is also his "financial consultant" services (not joking) up until last year the site advertising him as such was still up - or it may have been a section on one of his other sites. I wonder what kind of madman would go to a man who can't pay his daily bills for financial advice? You couldn't make it up.
 

GiantsBain

Honorable
If the Paracast dies, what will Gene's next gig be? Maybe he'll try and resurrect himself with a new name for a new show?
One of the most vexing aspects of Steinberg's e-begging is that it will likely never end while he's alive. It costs him nothing and surely brings him just enough meager scraps to keep him doing it. So forget that.

Otherwise, he is no different from most played out journeyman broadcasters, tech consultant wannabe's and even garden variety freelancers and white collar workers as they age out. There is no graceful landing because of ageism, reduced energy, and increasingly irrelevant knowledge base.

Most of us make another plan. And if that does not work, another, and so forth. By that time in life, most of us have accumulated some assets to help. You don't need to be wealthy or a millionaire to retire, but you do need to find a way to keep your keel off the rocks while you live with dignity. It is usually a bit messy and traumatic, but people work through it.

Our boy thinks his only other plan is to cling to his begging, operate a hobby "radio show" that could--"see it sez so right here on the contract"--bring in some money from advertisers if he worked at it, and run a forum which, so I infer the plan goes, brings in fresh meat for his e-beg list and provides a customer base for a fantasized electronic store. Of course, our boy forgets that for any of this to work he needs an audience. To get an audience he needs a decent reputation and something interesting to offer. He has none of those things; he has squandered them with his public begging and thanks to the efforts of people who have known him and spoken up--along with folks like Jack Brewer, who have "asked the hard questions" to bring up an old Schemester chestnut. He has no prospect of ever getting those things back. In today's world a new name/new show are non-starters if you think about how that would actually go down.

I would guess that one day there will be a lull in the begging and a weekend will pass with no radio shows. The community will learn the final news from the Randallbot or third hand. That is how I see this ending.

I am no better than the next person; I am just another retired geezer with an interest in Fortean stuff and personalities--more for entertainment and to stimulate my imagination than anything else. And I am interested particularly in the scammers, tricksters, and grifters in the field primarily because I have always been interested in voices from the margin from a variety of walks of life--Charles Bukowski, Tom Waits, Hunter S. Thompson, Charles Forte, etc.--folks like that as well as lots of less known folks. Griftboi is interesting to me because he is a train wreck in motion. After he crashes, no more interest. Done. Dusted. I suspect that is his general legacy, too.
 
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GhostofBiedny

Celestial
Schemey could do a podcast about shitty TV shows (he clearly spends all his day watching every single one that is available) or The Day the Earth Stood Still (the old version with Michael Rennie). Those are the only things he knows about out and he already talks endlessly about them anyway on the Paracrud.

Of course there is that other problem, which is that he has the charisma and charm of a steaming turd and is so boring that he makes an old telephone directory seem exciting.

Those two issues would make any podcast a failure but it would still have a better chance than him discussing these things on a paranormal show where nobody cares about them.
 

goblin

Noble
One of the most vexing aspects of Steinberg's e-begging is that it will likely never end while he's alive. It costs him nothing and surely brings him just enough meager scraps to keep him doing it. So forget that.

Otherwise, he is no different from most played out journeyman broadcasters, tech consultant wannabe's and even garden variety freelancers and white collar workers as they age out. There is no graceful landing because of ageism, reduced energy, and increasingly irrelevant knowledge base.

Most of us make another plan. And if that does not work, another, and so forth. By that time in life, most of us have accumulated some assets to help. You don't need to be wealthy or a millionaire to retire, but you do need to find a way to keep your keel off the rocks while you live with dignity. It is usually a bit messy and traumatic, but people work through it.

Our boy thinks his only other plan is to cling to his begging, operate a hobby "radio show" that could--"see it sez so right here on the contract"--bring in some money from advertisers if he worked at it, and run a forum which, so I infer the plan goes, brings in fresh meat for his e-beg list and provides a customer base for a fantasized electronic store. Of course, our boy forgets that for any of this to work he needs an audience. To get an audience he needs a decent reputation and something interesting to offer. He has none of those things; he has squandered them with his public begging and thanks to the efforts of people who have known him and spoken up--along with folks like Jack Brewer, who have "asked the hard questions" to bring up an old Schemester chestnut. He has no prospect of ever getting those things back. In today's world a new name/new show are non-starters if you think about how that would actually go down.

I would guess that one day there will be a lull in the begging and a weekend will pass with no radio shows. The community will learn the final news from the Randallbot or third hand. That is how I see this ending.

I am no better than the next person; I am just another retired geezer with an interest in Fortean stuff and personalities--more for entertainment and to stimulate my imagination than anything else. And I am interested particularly in the scammers, tricksters, and grifters in the field primarily because I have always been interested in voices from the margin from a variety of walks of life--Charles Bukowski, Tom Waits, Hunter S. Thompson, Charles Forte, etc.--folks like that as well as lots of less known folks. Griftboi is interesting to me because he is a train wreck in motion. After he crashes, no more interest. Done. Dusted. I suspect that is his general legacy, too.

As David Biedny has says of Gene's begging, "The emails stop when he does."

I'll go a little further, though it's splitting hairs: the emails will never stop so long as Gene has the ability to send them, including access to his email lists.

I feel like that means we'll be seeing the emails for years to come, but imagine that someday he might lose the wherewithal to send them out as he has been. In which case probably some other begging behavior replaces them, and continues so long as he is able to do that.

All of the evidence that I am aware of says: He is beyond help, doesn't care who he hurts, has no shame, and no amount of money will ever be enough.

I agree he appears to think there is no cost to him to keep sending the emails, and he must get enough of a return on them to make it feel worth it. That or it's OCD behavior, or he just can't stop dreaming of another Torson-sized jackpot even if the donations are small and infrequent at this point. (as his shows get worse and worse I'd imagine the donations turn down further but, I do not know)
 
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GhostofBiedny

Celestial
how odd.. Gene comments on a honest living..

He thought the guy was taking a subtle dig at him so like the pathetic loser he is, he was unable to avoid responding even though it makes it obvious that he is guilty. It shows he has at least some realisation that he is not "earning an honest living".

Also ironic that he talks about writing, lecturing and research not paying well since he does none of these. At least most of the other scammers in ufology do the first two which involves some degree of work.

Turdboy does nothing beyond putting out the Paracrud and his contribution to that is at best negative and it requires no work beyond the editing (and I'm not convinced he does that himself either even if he did that's a few hours a week at most).
 

Lance

Adept
I posted this at Parascast forums in response that guy who is talking about that shitty fraud, Butch Witkowski. But I find that I am on moderated status so I don't think my post may appear.

Responding to this thread:
Butch Witkowski: Re-Investigation summary and results

I said:


"OP: This kind of hilariously autistic and pedantic post is an example of the pompous and self-important bullshit that plagues discussion of the paranormal. I'll just take one of your pretentious "points":

However, on further investigation, no police officer commissioned in the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania prior to 18JUN1974 (see here and here) is certified by the MPOETC. The MPOETC letter is, therefore, irrelevant and a red herring.

Really. Because the MPOETC site makes it VERY CLEAR that they DO certify those hired before 1974 saying that "individuals seeking certification must meet one of the following criteria":

"Previously was a Commission-certified police officer and left this position in good standing or was previously employed as a full-time police officer in this Commonwealth before June 18, 1974, who was not required to obtain certification from the Commission, and worked as a full-time police officer for at least 5 years."

This quote also strongly implies that at least some officers (or perhaps most) were REQUIRED to get such certification. You'll forgive me if I don't hold my breath for your sacred FINAL conclusions which I am sure that you'll type in the same faux-official style? I'm also sure you won't make the same kind of blunders there.

Just as my way of signing off, I'll say that this forum is dead precisely because of worthless input such as that offered by J. Randall Murphy above."
 
If that place does finally bite the dust in the near future, we'll all have to find some other source of free entertainment. Thanks all, for posting this stuff so I don't have to go there. The "digest" form I get here has just about all the moronic blather I can take.

Someone should suggest they get Cosmic Ray back on there. That's always a fun time.
 

The shadow

The shadow knows!
the fact he has Lance on moderated status is yet more ways that Gene controls the fourm. from reading PM deleted post. banning members and now moderated post. I had thought Gene had banned you Lance. pity your message will never pist.
 

goblin

Noble
I posted this at Parascast forums in response that guy who is talking about that shitty fraud, Butch Witkowski. But I find that I am on moderated status so I don't think my post may appear.

Responding to this thread:
Butch Witkowski: Re-Investigation summary and results

I said:


"OP: This kind of hilariously autistic and pedantic post is an example of the pompous and self-important bullshit that plagues discussion of the paranormal. I'll just take one of your pretentious "points":



Really. Because the MPOETC site makes it VERY CLEAR that they DO certify those hired before 1974 saying that "individuals seeking certification must meet one of the following criteria":



This quote also strongly implies that at least some officers (or perhaps most) were REQUIRED to get such certification. You'll forgive me if I don't hold my breath for your sacred FINAL conclusions which I am sure that you'll type in the same faux-official style? I'm also sure you won't make the same kind of blunders there.

Just as my way of signing off, I'll say that this forum is dead precisely because of worthless input such as that offered by J. Randall Murphy above."

It appears to me like they removed your comment, yet left up replies from J. Randall Murphy and OP that quote your comment (in J. Randall Murphy's case, your comment in its entirety). I think that's what happened anyway.

The dream team in action, trying to have it both ways.
 

Lance

Adept
It appears to me like they removed your comment, yet left up replies from J. Randall Murphy and OP that quote your comment (in J. Randall Murphy's case, your comment in its entirety). I think that's what happened anyway.

The dream team in action, trying to have it both ways.


Yeah--they never let it out of moderated status. I went ahead and deleted it.

The guy I was arguing with is a tool. Notice that he changed the sentence I was pummeling him about while AT THE SAME TIME claiming that there was nothing wrong with it. Such a dishonest bastard.
 

goblin

Noble
A sad confession...

I notice I haven't seen an email from his royal spongeness since February 28th. I think "Hey, maybe he's actually going to turn over a new leaf. Maybe he's going to stop begging his mailing list members to send him money for his basic living expenses every day or two. Maybe his son even stepped in and is addressing things...."

And I know I am wrong. But still, despite all the years of evidence... still I get that fleeting hope that something has changed and he's done with this crap.

Yeah, I'm a fool. But still.
 
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